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'01 Brady versus '06 Rivers

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by boltssbbound, Jan 11, 2007.

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    I got so sick of hearing how much Rivers has struggled at the end of the season, so I went back and looked at Rivers last 4 games of '06 and compared them with Brady's last 4 games of '01 when the first year starter Brady won it all.

    In the last four regular season games of '01, Brady

    Completed 62.8% of his passes for
    776 Yards with
    1 TD and
    3 INTs
    a QBR of 77

    In Rivers last four games of '06, Rivers
    Completed 53.1% of his passes
    for 788 Yards with
    6 TDs and
    3 INTs
    a QBR of 85.7

    So, if Brady could lead his team to a SB in '01, why is it so hard to believe that Rivers, with a better supporting cast, could do it this year?
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    HollywoodLeo Trevor Phillips Enterprises

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    It's only natural to point out that Brady has the experience.

    He's the one of the two who's proven he can get it done in the playoffs.

    The only time I take exception to those remarks is people who point it out like as though it means the Patriots are a lock to win and that it means Rivers will struggle.

    All inexperience means is that we don't know how someone will perform. Some people want you to believe it's impossible to perform well without previous experience....in the same breath they tell us that Tom Brady is 11-1 in the playoffs. (Failing to realize that 1 wasn't his first playoff start...and in fact, was his last playoff start.)
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    Opponents?
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    you sir, are a genius!!
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    Patriots last 4 opponents in 01

    Browns -- 7-9
    at buffalo -- 3-13
    miami -- 11-5 (playoff team)
    bye
    at carolina -- 1-15

    Chargers last 4 in 06

    Broncos -- 9-7
    Kansas City -- 9-7 (playoff team)
    at Seattle -- 9-7 (playoff team)
    Arizona -- 5-11
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    Question . Think Brady would have put up better numbers if he had LT & Gates?
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    perhaps he wouldn't have made as many pass attempts.

    No big deal, Rivers will also have LT and Gates in the playoffs, making the question pointless.
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    Regardless of who he has...its not Brady vs Rivers. Its the Patriots vs Chargers. And when you are on a Chargers forum with charger fans, the chargers have the edge.

    The funny thing about it is that the chargers have the edge everywhere else but in Boston.

    Good luck to you and heres to a great game...injury free.
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    A bunch of Southie Crack Hoes. What does that matter? 1 TD and 3 INTs versus 6 TDs and 3 Ints. That's right. Rivers "struggled" to 6TDs in 4 games.

    Brady's last four oppents in '01, since you asked, combined for 31 wins that year. There were 2 playoff teams, 2 winning teams, 1 7-9 team, and a +10 loss team.

    Rivers' last four opponents in '06 combined for 30 wins. There were 2 playoff teams, 3 winning teams and a +10 loss team.

    Pretty similar, don't you think?
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    I got it wrong. I missed the Carolina game, so I was looking at 4 of Brady's last five games. My bad. The late Bye threw me.
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    Honestly I think Brady's comp % advantage sorta cancels out the TD/INT ratio... I'd say Philip is in a remarkably similar position.
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    Completion percentage and yardage doesn't mean crap if you can't get the ball into the endzone.

    Drew Brees proved that against the Bengals.
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    No secret, Rivers had a great season & he deserves to go to the probowl .

    Question is, will BB's defense leave him looking like this> :icon_huh: ?


    Time will tell .
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    While I can not disagree with the crux of your argument, if you're only completing half your passes you're going to have a much more difficult time getting CLOSE to the endzone than if you're completing in the high 60's. I think completion percentage is a huge stat and, certianly, when we were beating up on teams earlier in the season Rivers was completing a much higher % of his passes. I suspect you'll point out that by virtue of throwing timely touchdown passes we managed to win several games down the strech, despite Rivers' low completion %. And again, there's no argument to make here, but despite the QB Ratings I look at those two stat lines and they look pretty balanced to me.
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    No secret, Rivers had a great season & he deserves to go to the probowl .

    Question is, will BB's defense leave him looking like this> :icon_huh: ?


    Time will tell .
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    Belicheck's influence is overstated. People underestimated the Pats talent in their SB years. Belicheck is a fine coach but he can't turn dog **** into filet mignon.
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    Belicheck was a virtual unknown until he had the Patriots and Tom Brady playing for him.

    Everyone seems to forget he coached the Browns prior to the Patriots. Didn't do too much with them.
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    But Marty did...haha
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    Clue: Giants' defensive coordinator .

    Last clue, after that you're clueless .
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    It's funny you point that out when earlier you completely blew me off when I talked up our defensive coordinator and how well he's running the Chargers' D.
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    The thing with brady is you can hardly ever get him away from admiring himself in a mirror. So just put a couple mirrors on the sideline and brady won't leave the sidelines.:yes: :bolt:
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    When I was comparing head coaches , hmmm , I see your point . :icon_huh:
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    You insinuated Brady would shred the Chargers' D, I pointed out he didn't do so against Denver last year, you pointed out Shannarat has a brain, I pointed out Wade Phillips (who runs the Chargers' D) does as well, and you made some irrelevant comparrison to Marty Shottenheimer and an insinuation of his playoff record.
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    If that were the case I would've pointed Larry Coyer out not Shanahan, agree?

    Think, you'll get it .
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    I dont. If the completion percentage resulted in a higher yards per attempt, then I would tend to agree. But it doesn't.

    Rivers
    Yards per attempt: 7.37
    Yards per completion: 11.9

    Brady
    Yards per attempt: 6.8
    Yards per completion: 11.0

    Rivers beat Brady by nearly a full yard in YPC, and over half a yard in YPA.

    Yards per attempt is a very important stat in the passing game. Brady ranks 15th in the NFL. Rivers was 8th overall.

    The average Jets defense kept Brady below his YPA average, down to 6.24 YPA. Dink and dunk offense. That might have worked against the Jets, but with SD's team speed, the Pats have no chance.

    Another interesting stat ..... Rivers was sacked one time more than Brady on the season (27-26) but Brady lost more yards on those sacks (175-144).
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    You could've pointed out that you have the world's largest baseball card collection, I still would've pointed out that Wade Phillips is the one who runs the Chargers' Defense and is in charge of preparing them to prevent Tom Brady from shredding them.
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    I have been hearing a lot of "Rookie" and No Playoff Experience.

    Granted he just started this year, but this is the 3rd year in the league, so he is not that green.

    The other factor to consider is his history. IT WAS at the college level, but it is a factor in his maturity and how he handles pressure.

    He took the staring job as a true freshman.
    He went to 4 Bowl Games(3-1) and was the MVP all 4 times.
    Was even the MVP of the Senior bowl.
    Rivers has that "IT" factor that you look for in players. The ones that seem to step up in big games.
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    Point conceded...
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    2006 QBR comparison

    Quarterback Ratings

    Philip Rivers
    Tom Brady

    Overall

    Rivers - 92.0
    Brady - 87.9

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    4th QTR

    Rivers - 116.6
    Brady - 85.0

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    2 min offense

    Rivers - 120.8
    Brady - 86.2

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    When Ahead

    Rivers - 92.3
    Brady - 100.2

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    When Tied

    Rivers - 79.1
    Brady - 86.0

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    When Behind

    Rivers - 100.9
    Brady - 72.4

    Brady is at his best when playing with a lead. Both QB's drop when they are playing a tied game.

    But, Brady takes a dip into Vickesque territory when playing from behind, while Rivers is AT HIS BEST when trailing.

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