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08 Draft Then/Now

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by ThunderHorse17, May 12, 2011.

  1. FCBolt

    FCBolt Well-Known Member

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    #imjustsayin
     
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    did I even type Norv? I just said coach. That applies to EVERY coach on the roster
     
  3. FCBolt

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    22 starters, average of how many years as a starter? 8? 6? 4? Do all of them:
    22 / 8= almost 3 future starters per year need to be drafted
    22 / 6= almost 4 future starters per year
    22 / 4= almost 6 future starters per year

    assuming no Burnett-like pickups...
     
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    Rookie contracts are only 3-5 years. So unless you are resigning 3-4 every year on top of drafting 3-4, you MUST supplement the team with free agents
     
  5. Savage Lizard

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    So all of our coaches suck, not just Norv?
     
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    What Im saying over and over is 07 was a better draft. 08 OVERALL was a weak draft as far as NFL players that ARE actively contributing to the NFL... 08-2010 season i mean. Which even a smart coach wound up with one Jerod Mayo as far as starting 16 *18* games from 2010 and on.

    Also if you wanna go all its JUST coaching. I can go all 1CG and say the Coaching is what has kept the Pats sucsessful with garbage to others. B/C a great coach can keep a roster stocked with talent. With a good/great roster one year off from drafting your talent wont break the bank. He could even get a Randy Moss...erm well a Wes Welker or Keenan McCardell or Rodney Harrison in FA and make them continue to shine.

    Its coaching and its trickledown effects of prior years of smart coaching and looking ahead.

    We can agree to disagree that 2008s draft SUCKED donkey scrot.
     
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    I'm not trying to stir up Norv hate but I've always said that players coming out of college to the next level are never very far apart. There are always the exceptions but by the time these guys get to this level they can be somewhat interchangeable. The variable being coaching

    from top to bottom.
     
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    Way to put words in my mouth. I am not blaming anyone. Just pointing out that the coaches are partly responsible for developing the players, and some players respond differently to different coaching/leadership styles. Maybe a guy came in to a situation where they just don't mesh with a coach, and don't get developed. That doesn't mean the player or the coach suck. Just that maybe it wasn't the right situation for that individual player.

    Perfect example, where would Carson Palmer be today had he been drafted by a team like Baltimore, Atlanta, or several others instead of the biggest mess of an organization in the league
     
  9. FCBolt

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    Tell that to the Packers.

    I'm not saying that you run a team the way AJ/Spanos do, but it's what they're aiming for because
    1. Other teams have done it successfully
    2. It's cheaper to do it that way

    But you're missing my point:
    The Chargers haven't drafted well enough to support that strategy in the first place.
     
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    That is a team who has been able to get more than the 2 starters per year average that was quoted earlier
     
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    Agree with the overall draft reading the stats given. just throwing out the impact of average vs. better coaching has to come into the equation
     
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    CBA pending new rookie contracts far as I heard will be reduced to 4 years at most. 18 game season and FA rules still pending.
     
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    :lol:

    i've been around a bit

    ;)
     
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    Well seems I might be mixin threads as much as mixin drinks tonight.
     
  15. FCBolt

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    Exactly.
     
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    So that could pretty much be applied to almost every player who doesn't pan out on every team?
     
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    My thinking....We have a franchise QB, LT, WR, and a solid (not great) defense. Our Super Bowl window is NOW....not 3 years down the road when our rookies to develop...ITS NOW. If we have a giant hole at RT I am all for plugging the leak with a proven vet making 5 mil a year on a short term deal, its not exactly franchise breaking money.

    Sooner or later Rivers is going to age and decline, and like the 49ers after Steve Young left, or the Broncos after Elway, or the Dolphins after Marino etc...you can't just count on another franchise QB falling in your lap like it did with the Packers. And at the end of the Rivers era I want to know that at least once AJ threw all our cards on the table and went for it.

    Sure Smith is more of a want than a need, but its the idea that we're going for it all that I like, and his contract is not crippling its only 2 years.
     
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    Just makes either resiging your players, signing free agents, or hitting on more than one or 2 rookies per year
     
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    Wow, you love putting words in people mouthes, don't you
     
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    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    How is he putting words into your mouth? He's asking you a question.

    DERP
     
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    Becuase I never said most or all, yet he keeps trying to make it sound like I made some blanket statement when all I said was SOME players very well could have been better or worse on a different team with different coaches, and that applies to every team. I believe that every team has had players that could have been better or worse had they been drafted by another team and gone into a different situation. I don't believe that just because someone sucked for one team, that that would have automatically sucked for every team
     

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