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2012 OLBs

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by FCBolt, Jan 8, 2012.

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    Thanks, FCB. I'll look these over later.

    At first blush, the guys I like for OLB in our scheme are Upshaw, Perry, Curry, Montgomery, maybe Branch. I see Ingram & Mercilus more as 4-3 DE's.

    Only Upshaw & Perry would get a hard look from me at 18.
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    in the 2nd id look at vinny curry,bruce irvin
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    I'm not convinced Curry falls to where we're picking in the 2nd; I haven't been for a while, but now that Brandon Jenkins is going back for his senior season at FSU, I'll be jaw-on-the-floor shocked to see him available at 49th overall.

    Jonathan Massaquoi from Troy needs to be looked at. And, I'm reserving final judgement until I see him workout at the combine, but Cam Johnson could surprise some folks. He bulked up to 270 to play 4-3 DE when Virginia abandoned the 3-4 with the departure of Al Groh, but prior to that he had been playing (and playing damn well) OLB for them. He has high quality athleticism, tremendous motor, and he's just an animal at the point of attack. I don't know that I like him as a SOLB, as opposed to a WOLB, but we could do a lot worse than Ronnell Lewis (I actually prefer him to Irvin who is also more of a WOLB than a SOLB).

    I'll also say this... I'm warming to Devin Taylor (far more than to Ingram from the same program). The guy may have to be a split-duties guy as a rookie while he adjusts to the next level, but other than Nick Perry he is the closest thing to a Jason Pierre Paul or Aldon Smith type prospect in this draft class. In the past, I'm on record as having been against these type of prospects because they need so much polish, but after being proven wrong twice in successive years (and seeing these guys get taken where I expected, but develop much quicker than I expected and to awe-inspiring production), I'll now say that Taylor isn't a prospect I'd bet against.
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    i didnt think anyone else would notice jonathan Massaquoi
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    I'm a HUGE fan of Massaquoi. Tops the list of guys i'd take in the 2nd round. Here's my clusters for OLB, not really in order after the first round, haven't devised a ranking yet, I'll probably do this within the week so we know for sure who's in the draft and who's not. I consider myself a Pass rusher specialist, and have always been really interested in them, so i watch alot of film on pass rushers and could go all day on them.

    1st Round (18):
    Nick Perry (Absolutely Option #1. Beastly pass rusher reminiscent of Aldon Smith last year. Hopefully he rise too far...)
    Courtney Upshaw (Very safe option, most pro ready, and will be a solid pass rusher, but no bigtime playmaker IMO)
    Sleeper:
    Sam Montgomery (Again, great athlete, undersized, but has some burst and strength and has the frame to add weight. I wanna see the workout numbers for him, if he comes in at 6'4" and over 250, and looks good in the jumps/LB drills may be worth it)

    2nd Round (49):
    Jonathan Massaquoi (Big and a hell of an athlete, playmaker potential but raw. Instincts are questionable, but pass rushing ability is there)
    Cam Johnson (The Sickle Cell thing scares me playing Den 2 times a year, but again, big, athlete and 3-4 Experienced)
    Vinny Curry (Could be a Suggs esque pass rusher, who's more of a motor guy, but i'm not sure he has that intensity)
    Ronnell Lewis (Like LBC said, he may not be a stronside OLB, but he's a Harrison esque player with potential, needs work on his pass rushing skills)
    Melvin Ingram (Some people will have him much higher than this but i just dont see anything overly special about him. He's incredibly fluid for a big guy, and is great in coverage, but other than that, Burst off the snap is below average, rocks back in stance when rushing from a standup. Has bad hand use, and basically only has a bull rush and a spin move with his short arms. Good vs the run and elite dropping though is worth a 2nd round pick)

    2nd/3rd round (Not quite in the second round cluster, and i'd hesitate to take these guys with our second, or just need to see more of them)
    Chandler Jones (Kind of an unknown guy, i have barely seen any of him but if he has good workout numbers and looks good in drills, he's worth a shot in the 2nd)
    Andre Branch (Every time i see this guy i come away unimpressed, i've heard he looks better out of a standup, but i haven't seen him play there more than a couple plays)
    Shea McClellin (He's got an inconsistent burst, but is extremely versatile and will look good working out, may work his way to 1st round consideration. Reminds me a bit of Connor Barwin from a few years ago)
    Bruce Irvin (He's a great athlete, one of the best in fact, but is really raw, and is a bit undersized, though he does have the frame to add weight somewhat easily. The reason he's this low is because at this point, he's a pass rush specialist only, and needs a lot of work to him, but has Cameron Wake like potential, though doesn't quite have that athleticism, i mean Wake has a 45.5 inch vert at 255.....:eek: )

    3rd Round on:
    Brandon Lindsey (He kind of confuses me. He's a pretty good athlete and has played some LB in the Chris Clemmons like mold for Pitt. He was much higher up the board preseason, but i think if he can get some coaching up, he's got some solid potential)
    Frank Alexander (I think his athleticism is REALLY underrated. People think he's similar to Jeremy Beal of last year, but he's got MUCH better burst than Beal and is more of an explosive athlete. His burst REALLY improves out of a standup, where he plays quite a bit at Oklahoma. I think he's going to be a solid weakside 3-4 OLB, not playmaker potential, but solid starter if nothing else. Think Ahmad Brooks with less athleticism)
    Jacquies Smith (Brother of Aldon, solid athleticism, but is just a solid player like most of the guys that will be listed here. Most of these guys will not have elite upside but could still be solid starters. Need to watch more of him to make a real judgment, could be a nice mid/late round pickup)
    Donte Paige-Moss (I'm kinda torn on this one. He tore his ACL, and hasn't looked good at all this year, but i think that he could be an interesting player in the 7th, to see if he can live up to his high school hype. Worth a 7th/UDFA shot, but nothing more.)
    Darius Flemming (I'm a BIG fan of his. He's one of the later round players who has some good potential. Good athlete, plays the 34 OLB spot already, and has a bit of polish on his game. Would be a nice pickup in the 5th on, if we chose to go the FA rout at OLB with Brooks/Anderson/Groves)
    Adrian Hamilton (This is more or less a shot in the dark for me. I obviously dont have film on his school, Prarie View A&M, but he's now the DII (or whatever division/league they play in) record holder in sacks, or somethin like that. If his workout numbers are good, he's definitely worth a shot. Former Texas Tech transfer.)
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    I don't think Montgomery is going to the draft and I don't recall hearing if Jonathan Massaquoi has agreed to enter the NFL draft?
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    yea i enjoy watching massaqoui play, he would be a great addition and fit to our team, but hes raw, which could be a good thing
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    Yah, and thats the reason i dont have rankings up. Both of those guys have neither said that they would declare or return. Again, why i'm waiting another week to pump out my actual rankings. From what i've heard, Montgomery was leaning towards declaring, but i dont remember where i heard that and i'm not really sure if its completely true or not.
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    I live just down the road from UVA & I'm here to tell ya - Cam Johnson ain't all that.
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    What could push Massaquoi out is his age. He's got another year of eligibility and is still pretty raw, but he'll also turn 24 in May, so there comes a point where his age will definitely play against him.

    And Montgomery said on Friday at the Nat'l Championship Media Day that he's not declaring. Granted - if he has a HUGE game tonight - that could change, but I don't think it's likely.
    http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/7/2689135/lsu-de-sam-montgomery-not-entering-2012-nfl-draft
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    Montgomery needs another year to get by Jones.
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    Anyone impressed with Upshaw's performance in the BCS championship game?

    Did anyone watch it? lol
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    Guy looks good. So did the DL for Alabama. Two gap Monsters.
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    Yah, he's always going to look good in a game like that. Once again, his stock isn't going to change game to game. He's an insanely diciplined player, who's very versatile and sill be good at many things as a 34 OLB in the NFL. He's not going to be a great sack specialist type guy, but he's a very solid #2 pass rusher. If Perry's not there, i'd be alright if we took him. See my clusters.
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    Shrine game notes

    http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/articles/2012-shrine-game-monday-west-practice-notes.html
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    http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/articles/2012-shrine-game-monday-daily-notes.html

    #doublepostsueme
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    I know everyone is kinda getting dead set on OLB, just like y'all did with DE and Cameron Jordan last year, but I'm holding out hope that Acee is right for once and we go sign Robert Mathis. A Phillips, Barnes, Mathis corps sounds pretty damn awesome.

    I'd love to land Kirkpatrick, Kuechly, or maybe Mark Barron. And as always I'm never against trading forward or back.
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    Even if we bring in a Mathes, im still all for gettin a OLB out of the draft in addition to a Mathis.
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    Sounds like too much surplus. Barnes and Phillips are 10+ sack guys (in the hands of a competant DC), add Mathis and we have another 10+ sack guy........another 1st round OLB would just be a luxury at that point.

    We need to prepare for replacing Jammer, Spikes is old, we still need a SS, it'd be nice to have a Sproles type RB, plus Dielman, McNeill, and Hardwick all seem like short timers etc...
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    Sounds like your in the camp of goin thin at LB for the sake of more line or secondary depth... LBs are the central cog to a 3-4. EVEN if we have 3 OLBs that produce 10 sacks each... where is the flaw in that?? If one of these guys goes down *happens often than naugt* would be great to have another potential 10 sack monster ready to step in and get close to those #s. Granted we will also need to pick up a ILB so that means 3 new guys to the LB core.
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    Not at all what I said, I just think spending a 1st round pick on a 4th OLB is a bit excessive. I'd be fine with drafting another project OLB in the 3rd like Lindsay or Okafor, or later with a guy like Paige-Moss. But 1st round is just too high for a guy who has no chance to start for at least 3 years.

    Nah lets replace Jammer, Gregory, or find our Ray Lewis. JMO.
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    Seriously... please... someone tell me what the heck they actually see in Mark Barron other than that he played for the National Championship team that makes them believe he's worth a 1st round pick.

    This is the same guy who his own collegiate team wouldn't entrust him to cover TE's or slot receivers over more than just shallow zones, and would bring him up closer to the line as effectively another LB while bringing on a 3rd safety for coverage in obvious passing situations. And this is the guy you want to put opposite Weddle in our system that calls for a do-everything safety? Really, I don't get it. Barron isn't a 1st round prospect. Unless someone moves Kirkpatrick to safety, the only safety prospect left in this class with remotely a 1st round grade is Martin and he's more of a Louis Delmas, bottom of the 1st round eligible while really more of a high-2nd stock guy.
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    Hence the word "maybe". SS is such a gigantic weakness for us already, if Barron is only semi-competant we'll be a better team for it.

    The point I was making was if we do sign Mathis, we'll have bigger concerns than who our 4th OLB is going to be. Personally I'd rather see us reach for Mark Barron then draft someone who's going to be buried on the depth chart for more than 1 or 2 years and has a chance of not panning out himself anyway.

    Barron is the lowest example though. Maybe DeCastro pending Dielman's situation, but like 3-4 DE I dislike the idea of taking a OG in the 1st round.
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    Reading over your first response to my first response to your post, I never said we need to draft a OLB in the 1st if we do bring in a good FA. AND wtf is wrong with you?? Have you really forgotten how OLB works in a 3-4?? We can bring in a guy he can go to #4 on the DC and still he gets over 50% of the snaps on field.... Look at Pitt when their starters go down at LB... what happens?? they dont have a immediate prodoctution loss becuase they have guys waiting in the wings, who already get enough service time in their 1-2 years that the coach knows what they can and cant do for the Defense....

    Please realize we cant skimp on the LBs.
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    But you like trading up for a RB?

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    Under certain circumstances, yes. We needed a RB desperately who could step in year 1 and produce, and Mathews was by far the best candidate in that draft. IMO you pay for playmakers because when the game is on the line they'll be the ones with the ball in their hands......unless Norv forgets about them.:roflmao:

    And if you hadn't noticed Mathews was averaging over 5ypc behind that battered O-line everyone likes to point out, and he'll be headed to the pro bowl next week if the Ravens win this weekend.
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    Looking at our OLBs for 2012:

    LOLB:
    Phillips
    Barnes
    Gahckar
    ROLB:
    English
    LaBoy
    Gamble(?)
    Bird(?)

    ROLB needs to be addressed.. LaBoy will probably be here next year, he did ok at times, nothing great but I just don't see the point cutting him when he has one year to play out and we can use him as a rotational player..

    English is a mess.. I don't know whether we are gonna keep him or not.. he'll be 2+ mill on the cap in 2012 and 2013 for a guy who's only had 7 sacks in 29 games played in 3 seasons..

    Another guy who will be questionable on the cap is Castillo.. what do we do with him? He's 6+ on the cap the next two years and 7+ through 2014.. he ranks 12th paid for a defensive end in the NFL.. he sure hasn't played like it even last year before he was out for the entire season this year..

    Lot of questions need to be answered.. I think some guys need to take a pay cut to help us out with Free Agency this year..
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    Lets get a long haired white boy... All the other teams have one.

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