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2013 Free Agents - Dare to Dream

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  1. nickelbolt
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    #1 Priority: Offensive Line upgrade: ??
    #2 Priority: Secondary upgrade (specifically CB):

    I'll start with not re- signing Jammer... But replacing him with Darrelle Revis.

    Hey... It's a Dare to Dream thread.

    Give it your best shot.
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    I'll dream a little; how about replacing Jared Gaither with Jake Long
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    That's what I'm talkin' 'bout...

    I went with the big name, most obvious, cleanest option first. But yeah, if Miami would dare to let Long evaluate his FA options it's a no-brainer. I think the Jets are going to allow Revis to shop, due to his injury and their perception that Cro is a true #1. And with Jammer being a FA it's now or never for the Chargers.

    Pay Revis, Draft Te'o, swap Cason for Gilchrist in their roles, re-sign Shaun Phillips, and this D should be a lot better at getting off the field on 3rd down next year.
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    If we're just dreaming,

    RB: Reggie Bush would be a great change of pace back/ weapon out the back field. I don't know how dynamic he'd be with Mathews but I wouldn't complain having him in the come out for a screen pass.

    WR: Greg Jennings will probably be too expensive for us (assuming AJ is still GM) I'd be happy with him, Mike Wallace, or Bowe. We need a true receiver to put out there with Floyd, Rivers needs guys that will go up and get the ball. That said if AJ is GM he'd probably go after Ogletree. Looking at Josh Cribbs could be great too for special teams

    TE: Jared Cook seems realistic assuming Gates is going to have an even more limited role next year or be on his way out

    OL: If the chargers need to overpay one player this year it's Jake Long. Jake long at LT and hopefully could slide Gaither at RT, draft a gaurd early and hopefully our biggest weakness could become a strength.

    DL: I think we're on to something here with Luiget and Reyes. I'm aware that a 3-4 defense is more about getting pressure from your OLB. But a pure rushing DE like Freeny or Umenyiora who can add Super Bowl experience and leadership would be amazing (and I think they'd be cheaper.) Avril would be the "dream" long term pick though.

    LB: depending on how Ingram develops will tell us what to do with Phillips. I'd hate to see Shaun go but we shouldn't overpay. Mauluga is probably the best name on the free agent list not sure if that's much of an upgrade anywhere.

    DB: DRC. simple as that.

    If we can some how manage to nab DRC, Jake Long, and one of the three WRs I listed this team could be back on track...a man can dream right?
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    Going big but not insane...

    OL - Steal Brandon Albert away from KC and move him to RT. If not him Sebastian Vollmer.
    CB - Sign Tracy Porter and DRC, then go draft one in the 1st round. Do what it takes to fix this disaster.
    K - Rob Bironas
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    Forget about it; the biggest change that we HAVE to do is get rid of Norv :mad: ( a NICE guy a NIGHTMARE of a head coach) and AJ ( really only a crap GM would let our O Line get THIS bad and our D Backs be even MORE - if its possible _ putrid). I KNOW that if we can get Sean Payton (the mess in NO is only a tiny bit his fault) he'd help us get a decent GM and we'd be off to the races. NUMBER ONE PRIORITY. 1 BETTER O LINE TO PROTECT PHILLIP 2 BETTER CORNER BACKS. Payton and those two things will help a TON. Plus the Antonio Gates days are over. He's fat and slow. BYE Antonio. Unless he shows us a LOT more the second half of the season he has to go. I think Ladarius Green COULD possible become something. We should ( especially if the Bolts begin to lose more than they win in half number two) start putting him in there.
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    1 of 2 guys I would love to join our team

    are OG Chad Rinehart, or OG Kraig Urbik

    but I see alot of re signing to happen over anything else
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    Dream signings would go as seen here.....

    NT: Isaac Sopoaga
    RT: Sebastian Vollmer or Pats will probably lock him up early so Andre Smith is better than Clary, VERY clearly.
    TE: Jared Cook (SO HORRIBLY MISUESED at Tenn. He's a stud in our system learning under Gates for a year, him/Green would make an insane future combo, both 6'5"/6'6" running 4.4's)
    SS: William Moore (If we dont trust Taylor to develop, Bigby just sucks SO BAD in coverage, he's screwing our CBs and making them look SO much worse, hell it might actually be time to move Jammer to SS for a few years.)
    OLB: Connor Barwin (ELITE athleticism, and explosion, can be a great pass rusher, could get pushed out by Reed/Mercilus Combo)
    CB: Brent Grimes>>>>>>>>Cason/Jammer.

    Draft a 1st round OG, second round OLB and a CB or WR 3rd round and we'd be an elite team.
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    My ideal FA

    Grab Jake Long (LT) & Kraig Urbik (RG) to rebuild the OL. Draft DJ Fluker to either move to guard (if Gaither can be moved to RT) or to play RT.
    I like the idea of grabbing Cook and using him in a double set with Green and have Gates to rotate in.
    Grab either DRC & draft the best cornerback available (Dee Milliner or Jonathan Banks)

    OL: Long-Fluker-Hardwick-Urbik-Gaither
    DB: DRC-Milliner w/Weddle & Taylor back there
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    I don't want to 'dare to dream'.. I'm going to try and be realistic..

    OL:
    Jermon Bushrod
    Ryan Clady
    Andre Smith
    Will Svitek
    Sebastian Vollmer
    Andy Levitre
    Ryan Lilja
    Brandon Albert

    DL:
    Henry Melton
    Jason Jones

    LB:
    Jovan Belcher
    Justin Durant
    Daryl Smith

    Cliff Avril
    Connor Barwin
    Anthony Spencer

    DB:
    Jarius Byrd
    Brent Grimes
    Tracy Porter
    Sam Shields
    Dominque Rodgers-Cro
    Aqib Talib
    Derek Cox
    Mike Jenkins
    Sean Smith
    Cary Williams

    These are all resonable guys that can contribute or an upgrade over our guys at certain positions. Also, this depends on what is done in the last half of this year and what we do re-signing our players.
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    A realistic free agency that would have this team on the path back toward the top (this is based off the model that was implemented by Baalke and Harbaugh upon Jim's arrival in San Fran):

    Re-signed:
    Vasquez (of the two guards, he's the one that's IMHO salvageable with better coaching)
    Barnes (quite frankly Phillips will likely price himself out of here anyway and I view him as more of an impediment to establishing a new philosophy/mantra around here than a benefit - Barnes is pretty strictly a rotational guy, but he's effective in that role and not overpriced)
    Franklin (given he's now going to miss time with injury, he's likely to be easier to retain and makes a quality stop-gap if/when Baby Zilla continues to fail to step up to claim the NT1 spot)
    Martin (if the price is reasonable, but he is ultimately replaceable)

    Free Agency:
    Marcus Trufant (I know there are going to be sexy names out there some people like, but aside from Cary Williams I don't see a whole lot that are terribly realistic or worth committing the type of money that free agent corners on the open market always seem to get - hell I'd take a stab at Asomugha who is likely to be released by Philly rather than paid $15M, but he was loyal as hell to the Raiders so I doubt he'd come here unless it was for major scratch. But Trufant, while in his twilight, is something that neither Cason or Jammer have shown to be - that being intelligent enough in terms of football IQ to hedge his bets in coverage. Like the Niners did with Carlos Rogers, it's taking a gamble on a vet with an injury history, but you put a savvy vet in there to help groom young guns and that's a solid key to success)

    Johnny Knox (largely dependent on whether the Bears opt to exercise their option to retain the player who has been on the PUP for a full year at $1.26m. They probably will, but Knox is the type of guy I'd gamble on if he's available. Look, people need to be realistic. With the amount of money we have committed to the WR position over the next couple years, we're not going to be in the market for the Bowe's, Wallace's, and Welker's. A healthy Brown will also add an element to our corps that has been missing this year. Thus, if we're looking to bring in another WR it's likely someone who will contribute as a returner - replacing Goodman and Cason and keeping Weddle from ever being even an injury-fill option.)

    Jairus Byrd (probably the "biggest name" signing of the bunch, but there is reason to believe it's realistic. First and foremost, San Diego is where Byrd's father Gil made his name and fame. Secondly, there's a log-jam in that Buffalo secondary - with George Wilson a captain and recently re-upped, Aaron Williams a better fit at safety, Searcy starting to get reps - and Buffalo's got a lot of money tied up elsewhere. If we're retooling and grooming youth at the CB slots, you want experienced and cognizant multi-tool safeties at both spots, not a run-specialist and pass-specialist who can be picked on. Byrd can pair well with Weddle as our scheme has more often called for a "left" and "right" safety as opposed to a pure "free" and "strong" safety. The main issue may be money, and I could see that being troublesome, but it's workable in that if a youth movement is pressed at corner then by the time certain players at corner would be in need of extensions - whereas corners get paid much greater coin than safeties - Weddle's contract would be into the more favorable years for us.)

    Donald Thomas (could just as easily lump Kevin Boothe in here as well. Again, not the popular go out and get the young guy at OL, but short of Vollmer - who, like Gaither, has battled back issues due to his height - I'm not convinced many of the "names" will hit the market and typically teams are better off drafting for the future in the trenches rather than signing for it. Thomas isn't spectacular, but he's dependable and not a liability. He can play either guard spot, can fill at center in a pinch, and he's young enough to offer some long-term viability even if it ends up being as a utility reserve. Ideally he's a stop-gap at LG and security-measure such that the team doesn't need to reach in the early rounds to get a starter-capable interior lineman; instead drafting a mid-round guy with desirable traits and in need of a little polish.)

    Ideal Draft Approach:
    1st round - BPA (i.e. highest ceiling and coming from quality coaching) at one of OT, CB, WOLB, NT
    2nd round - BPA at positions above (ideally where you look for your OLB, NT, or CB)
    3rd round - See above, begin to include ILB (this class really isn't great, but there are a few guys who should fall through the cracks that can be worked with), OG, and RB (I could literally care less about "dynamic speed" or "scat back" types... if the kid doesn't come in with some polish to his pass-blocking, he shouldn't be drafted).
    4th round - Should be spent on either a (second) CB or LGotF (this is typically the round in which the last of the cream of OG's get skimmed).
    5th round - BPA (literally, screw position, the 5th and 6th round picks should religiously be used to take the best player's available to upgrade the general talent on the roster. We've seen time and time again that quality skill position players fall through the cracks to UDFA because they don't reach "sexy speed" numbers in their workouts. If your coaching staff and positional coaches are worth a damn at developing guys, you want to be playing safety net here to catch high ceiling guys that fall for whatever reason - for the most part, guys who haven't shown they can stay out of trouble with substances or the law can be let to fall a little further, but if they interview well, you're paying so little that you can afford to gamble on them occasionally)
    6th round - See above.
    7th round - Kicker... or best available trench player.
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    You think Ryan Clady is going to be reasonable? He will be one of the top 5-7 LT's in the league with his new contract
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    Really? Marcus Trufant? I don't know about that lol. I feel like it's more of a risk than reward. If he came cheap on a 1-2 year deal then maybe, but I doubt he will.

    I would re-sign, Danario Alexander, Antwan Barnes, Jackie Battle, Ronnie Brown, Aubrayo Franklin, Tyronne Green, Vaughn Martin, Louis Vasquez, Nick Novak and Mike Windt.

    Tyronne Green- I would sign for depth.
    Nick Novak- Most likely to be cut in camp.

    Agree with you on Phillips. I'd go after Barnes, who is younger as well. We'll have Johnson & Ingram starting, with English & Barnes rotating. But I'd also go after a Paul Kruger, Anthony Spencer or Michael Johnson (Bengals) if they don't come too expensive.

    I would extend, Donald Butler. Think he deserves a big contract now. We don't want him testing Free Agency or demanding more money because I think people, nationally, will really take notice of this kid next year if they haven't already this year.

    I would release, Jeromey Clary, to free up some cap space. Think that would be around $2M, not too sure.

    Sign, Andre Smith, RT for the Bengals. Had a breakout year last year. Not too sure how he is doing this year but he kept an absolutely clean pocket for Andy Dalton all day yesterday, and thats saying something going against that Giant's d-line. If this team wants to be successful, they will HAVE to keep Rivers clean.

    Sign, Cary Williams, CB for the Ravens. He is currently having a good season. Even though against he Patriots he was carved up for 121 yards against Tom Brady. He has really gotten it together since Suggs has been back. Maybe cause he's finally gotten a pass rusher. Cary is big, 6'1 and runs a 4.43. I also think he has learned some things playing with some of the best defensive players of all time.

    Sign, a veteran CB. Actually what you've said is making a little sense. Whether Marcus Trufant, Stanford Routt, Sheldon Brown or Nate Clements. I prefer Stanford Routt, if he's not sought out as a long-term big money guy, which he shouldn't because there will be more options available at CB in this FA class.

    Draft, I would like to see BPA's also, but that just doesn't seem to happen with the Chargers. So here it is for me, BPA positions in order..

    1: BPA: CB, OL
    2: BPA: OL, CB, ILB
    3: BPA: ILB, OLB, DL
    4: BPA: DL, OL
    5: BPA
    6: K
    7: BPA, and I mean a guy who's fallen this low due to academic problems, or off the field. Ex., Alfonzo Dennard, Brandon Bolden, etc.
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    Ryan Clady will be the highest paid LT in the game as long as Peyton's coming back. So that's definitely a dream. But hey... I dared you!
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    I meant that whole list in general.. I was just putting out a list of FA's thats all.. not guys the Chargers should look into..
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    Exactly why wouldn't Trufant come cheap? Twilight of his career. If someone offers him the opportunity to start and anything more than the vet minimum, he'll likely bite if he's still interested in playing. No one's going to give him large chunks of guaranteed money at 32 years old with chronic back injuries on his health chart. Hell, he's playing on the vet minimum right now for Seattle. The point remains, starting two rookies or expecting to sign an major name in free agency and start a rookie at the other corner isn't realistic. There's more than likely going to be a "journeyman"-ish player slotted in one of those starting spots (if both Jammer and Cason are gone) to start the preseason, battling it out with Gilchrist, Wright, and a rookie. If we continue to play this heavy-cushion zone, bend-but-don't-break bunk a guy like RaShean Mathis even becomes an option - since I can't imagine he'll be all that motivated to stick with a bottom-dwelling Jacksonville much longer.

    I don't see the point in re-signing Green as depth. You want depth that you feel confident can play at at least a competent level if pressed to play due to injuries; we've seen what Green can do and it's not that. And with starting experience to his name, he's not likely to settle for bargain-basement contract prices.

    I want no part of Andre Smith - the guy simply cannot (or will not) manage his weight. He had success last season because the team finally cracked down on him and started fining him until he got it under control and sure enough this offseason he was right back at fat tub of goo status. He isn't a capable swing tackle so I really don't see the value in signing a RT-limited player with work ethic issues, particularly when that guy is eerily similar to Jeromey Clary - can't move well in space, gets wrecked by any kind of decent speed-rusher, and half-asses it in run-blocking most of the time. Clary should get the ax however, as even if his play weren't good enough reason, his salary increased 1/3 again over next season. Depending on how we deferred the signing bonus monies, $2MM is roughly about what we'd save after eating a deferred cap hit for a proration of the bonus monies, could be a little more but shouldn't be less.

    I see no reason to retain both Ronnie Brown and Battle; pick one (both can pass-block), draft someone who will actually put some legitimate pressure on Mathews to get his stuff together (i.e. dedicate more time into learning how to protect the ball as opposed to being out at the clubs in PB every other night).
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    Ok. I would love for them t olook at Clady, but the Broncos will throw a boat load of money at him. There is no way they let their best linemen walk when they have Peyton Manning behind center
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    Yeah I thought Smith had weight issues but I wasn't sure if it was him..

    And I think both Battle and Brown would be worth re-signing. Battle is a great change of pace back from Mathews and Brown is our second leading receiver. We've drafted running backs the last 2 seasons and both have landed on the practice squad. So I don't know if this team will take that route just yet although it would be worth it.
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    yeah can't see it either but hey I feel like the Broncos are playing with fire not putting him under contract now and hoping he tests free-agency..
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    I think they know they can always just franchise tender him. I mean, look at the rest of whom they have hitting free agency; there really isn't anyone of note that would be deserving of the tag. They're certainly not going to pay $9MM-plus on a tender to Tracy Porter. Honestly the Phins are a greater threat to tag Sean Smith over Jake Long than the Broncos are to tag anyone over Clady.
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    Any 'free agent owners' looking to buy a team?

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