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    Oh hell that is an easy one. Humility is not a strong trait of mine but given enough beers, you know. :icon_toast:
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    I'm thirsty already.
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    There is a well documented link between dogfighting in this country and violence against people as well, especially spousal and child abuse and other assaultive behavior. In cultures where dogfighting is a sanctioned activity, you will find that women have no status, are considered property in many cases and are subject to horrendous abuse as part of the cultural norm. I'm speaking primarily of Central Asia, where the fighting involves mastiff breeds and the fights are of awesome proportions. In South and East Asia, cockfighting is the norm. In South and Southeast Asia, contests were staged by the upper classes between elephants and between elephants and tigers. In many of those South Asian cultures and subcultures they practised Suttee, the burning alive of widows. It still goes on in isolated parts of rural India. Cultures that practise large scale animal fighting also have much higher incidences of infanticide of children of the wrong gender or with congenital defects. Then again, these people also produce some of the most glorious art and poetry on the planet. Go figure.
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    AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME, AWSOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Between bringing pot to an airport, and giving a girl herpes and telling her his name is Ron Mexico, I'm all out of "benefit of the doubt" cards. So when someone says "do you really think he would be so stupid as to do this" the answer is invariably "yes."

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    isnt that where all the cool people are?
    they also have the best mary-jane :tup: :icon_tease: :icon_rofl:
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    http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

    VICK IS INDICTED

    Falcons quarterback Mike Vick has been indicted on multiple charges by a federal grand jury in Virginia.

    The charges are, per ESPN.com (which not long ago declared Vick was unlikely to be indicted), "conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in animal fighting venture."

    Three others were indicted as well -- Purnell Peace, Quanis Phillips and Tony Taylor. Phillips' name appeared as a contact person on Vick's K-9 Kennels web site.

    The indictment is available on the web site of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. A press release regarding the charges is available here.

    There is only one count, for now -- conspiracy. In order to be guilty of conspiracy, the government doesn't have to prove that the defendants committed the underlying illegal acts, but only that they intended to do so, and that they accomplished one or more overt acts in order to reach their goals.

    Under Title 18, Section 371 of the U.S. Code, the penalty for conspiracy is up to five years in prison. If, however, the underlying crime is a misdemeanor, the punishment for conspiracy may not exceed the maximum sentence for the misdemeanor offense.

    The indictment alleges at paragraph 1 that Peace (a/k/a "P-Funk"), Phillips (a/k/a "Q"), Taylor (a/k/a "T"), and Vick (a/k/a "Ookie" -- we're not kidding) conspired to: (1) travel in interstate commerce and use the mail or any facility in interstate commerce to promote, manage, etc. a business enterprise involving gambling; (2) knowingly sponsor an animal moved in interstate commerce in an animal fighting venture; (3) knowingly transport a dog for the purposes of having the dog participate in an animal fighting venture.

    The allegation regarding the use of interstate commerce to promote a business enterprise involving gambling is key. Under Title 18 of the U.S. Code, Section 1952, which is titled "Interstate or foreign trade or travel in aid of racketeering enterprises," the maximum penalty is 20 years behind bars. At the time the events transpired, dog fighting was only a misdemeanor. Absent the gambling/racketeering angle, then, Vick would not be facing up to five years, but only the misdemeanor sentence for dog fighting.

    Here are some highlights from the 18-page indictment. All of the following statements are based on allegations contained in the document.

    The indictment identifies four "cooperating witnesses," without naming them. As we previously explained, the detail contained in the federal complaint filed earlier this month indicated that someone was spilling the beans as to the specifics of the operation. As it turns out, there are at least four such someones.

    The conspiracy began in early 2001 and continued through April 25, 2007, the day on which Vick's Surry County, Virginia property was first searched by local authorities.

    In May 2001, Taylor identified the property on Moonlight Road in Surry County as a suitable location for housing and training pit bull terriers for fighting. Thereafter, Vick and the others purchased approximately 26 dogs from locations inside and outside of Virginia.

    The "Bad Newz Kennels" were established by Vick and the others in early 2002, and at one point the group obtained shirts and headbands representing their affiliation with "Bad Newz Kennels." The Vick property on Moonlight Road in Surry County thereafter became the location of the venture.

    "Testing" of the dogs began in February 2002. One of the dogs did not fight very well. It was shot to death with a .22 caliber pistol.

    Additional dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions were executed in the summer of 2002, with three shot and one electrocuted.

    Fighting also began in 2002, with a trip to North Carolina. Vick's Surry County property hosted its first dog fight in late 2002.

    The process continued, with purses as high as $20,000.

    In March 2003, Peace allegedly electrocuted a female pit bull that had lost a fight after consulting on the matter with Vick. Peace shot another losing dog that same month.

    The most graphic misconduct allegedly occurred not long before the first search of the property. According to paragraph 83 of the indictment, Vick, Peace, and Phillips executed in April 2007 approximately eight dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions, by "hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."

    In other words, in the same month in which Vick declared that he never goes to his Surry County property, and the same month in which he sat face-to-face with the Commissioner, Vick had (according to the indictment) participated in the killing of as many as eight dogs deemed unfit for fighting.

    So what next? After digesting this information, the NFL and the Falcons will have some tough decisions to make. And we think that both organizations will soon be facing strenuous pressure from animal rights groups to take swift and decisive action against Mr. Vick.
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    If Vick was involved he should get the max, if not then he walks. :bolt:
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    I am a HUGE fan of the bulls in these things! I love it when some ******** gets his *** handed to him by a pissed off beast.
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    Dude...I hear you. The whole operation comes crubmling down and everyone (except for Vick) starts singing to save their arse. The lawyer Vick hires will tear those songbirds to shreds.

    But...

    Vick can't be that detached from this. Common sense says so. How much he'll be implicated, we'll see.

    It also goes back to "who you hang with", or, in this case, "what you allow to happen on your own property".

    Can't help but think if this were some non-famous/not-in-the-public eye person, folks would be calling for that person's gonads.
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    And everyone (in the U.S. and Mexico) cries for the spectators who get hurt when a bull jumps out of the arena and into the stands. At that point, I'm rooting for the bull too.

    Same goes for the running of the bulls in Spain. This year several people got gored. Now the mourning is for them. The way I see it, that's what happens. They've got a HUGE BULL WITH SHARP HORNS CHASING THEM. And nothing will happen to them? Please.
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    I want to go to the running of the bulls. Not to run, but to point and laugh at the tards who get hurt.
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    Read it and weep, http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_464095.html

    You'll like this part,
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    After college graduation, my buddy and I went to Europe for a few months before we had to go to IOBC at Benning, and one of the things we had to decide on was whether to hang out on a beach for a week looking at nekkid chicks in Torredembarra Spain .... or go to the running of the bulls in Pamplona.

    Tittays won.
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    Oh you want to compare some sobering stats?

    http://www.harpers.org/subjects/Crime/SubjectOf/Fact

    Number of times that a white man has been executed for killing a black man in Texas since 1860: 0

    So what does that mean?

    I do not weep when I read those stats you posted because they are misleading to the uninitiated.

    http://www.hmichaelsteinberg.com/federalcrimes.htm

    95% of Federal indictments end up in a plea bargain and not a conviction because that is the way the system is designed. If a defendant goes to trial, the penalties are usually stiffer.

    A plea bargain could end up being something as simple as Vick copping a plea to simple jay-walking.
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    Hey T-man ......

    You know how you keep saying the real guilty dude must be the one that lived at the house, NOT the owner of the house?

    The cousin, Davon Boddie, was NOT indicted in that pdf file Chippie posted.

    He must be the bird that is singing to the Feds right now ......
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    Ya think?

    The renter who signed the lease agreement is the one who gets the shaft and holds the most personal responsibility and the one who stands to lose the most (unless the owners knows). After watching Vick's relatives interview answering questions, ****, I knew right away that prick was trash and probably fresh out of rehab.
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    The Feds wouldn't indict on just his word though .... follow the money. I'll bet that's exactly what the Feds did, and it's gonna bite Vick in the ***.
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    But my beer will be just as cold! :abq2:

    What does race have to do with anything?

    I've been the target of racism this month, have you?

    Stop playing the race card, it is offensive. Lowlifes come in all flavors.
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    Yeah because since 1860 (the Confederacy-Segregation-Jim Crow) Texas is the same then as now with hte same attitude and criminal justice system especially towards blacks. Biased choice in statistics there Trumpie
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    "This **** wasn't about race. It was about fame. Because if OJ were a bus driver, he wouldn't be 'OJ.' He'd be 'Orenthal the bus-driving murderer.' "

    --Chris Rock, circa 1996


    I fail to see what race has to do with any of this as well. Fame, on the other hand....
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    I strongly suspect if this were Payton Manning, **** is handled much differently. :yes:
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    Why are you hating on the cousin bro? He is just a po boy trying to get by and scratch out a decent living. Unlike the rich man Vick, Cuz has no rights, he is definitely downtroddened and repressed and needs his rightful access to his cultural heritage in the form of canine pugilism. Justice for the Cuz, justice for Cuz. He has been manipulated by the Rich Man, the whitie imposter who has turned his back on his people.
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    More obfuscation bullshit.

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