Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by szarmes, Aug 28, 2011.
This is off the topic, but tonight I couldn't stop thinking of the old sterno drinker from the original Andromeda Strain when Al Davis was on camera.
Anyone saying that Crayton should be cut or that Brown should go on the practice squad is smoking something. Crayton is a steady veteran and our #1 slot receiver. Brown has really impressed the coaches when he's been healthy. Even if they wanted to put him on the practice squad, they'd never be able to because another team would claim him off waivers.
I see the Chargers keeping 6 receivers, so I'm guessing the other two will be Tutu and Walters. Most other years Goodman and Washington would make this squad.
If the Chargers only keep five wide-receivers than unfortuately Walters will probably be the one that gets left out. Jackson, Floyd, Crayton, Ajiratoutou and Brown will get the nod.
I don't necessarily agree with this, but its what I think the Chargers will do.
Walters looks like Wes Welker out on the field and we all know that Chargers messed up not keeping him when he was here in San Diego...I would hate for us to lose Walters only for him to be picked up by someone else and turned into a future star!
If we let him go and the Patriots signed him...I would freak!! hehe
Walters NEEDS to be on this team. He has more than proven his worth in the preseason, esp. when he was playing w/ the #1s.
So what we do is keep 6 Wrs:
Cutting Crayton for 1 or 2 ROOKIES is one of the most asinine things I've ever read on this forum. Do you have no concept of veteran leadership and experience??? Ugh.
Crayton caught something under thirty passes last season, for 500 yards or so. He had maybe 2 or three starts. Crayton is a very good slot man, but so is Walters and Brown has the instincts to be just as good as Crayton and just needs a little time. Goodman on the other hand has the kind of speed we haven't had in a receiver for a very long time. Rivers hit 17 guys last year. Crayton was one of those guys. Our passing attack revolves around VJ, Malcom and Gates. Crayton is a handy guy to have around, but he is not indispensable. I really would like to see about swapping Crayton to a team that needs a guy like him for an ILB.
Do you really think Rivers won't be able to find Walters or Brown as often as Crayton in a pinch? Crayton has been a very good spot player for 78 seasons with several teams who didn't find him essential. We got him for a 7th round pick because VJ was holding out, and other guys got nicked up. He was available because his agent sought his realease. Different story now. Goodman is another home run threat. Walters seems to be a guy who can break off a big chunk of field, too. The alternative is to keep 7 WR's. Crayton is as good as he's every going to get. Goodman, Walters and Brown are showing more talent than Crayton did when Patrick was a rookie. I don't see him as valuable as other guys we once traded for-Joiner, Chandler and Tony Martin come to mind. Besides, he dislocated a wrist last season and he's now had more surgery. This is his 8th season.
That's exactly what I was thinking when I read people suggesting we should cut Crayton. He is a solid steady veteran that produced when he was healthy last year and has done so every year he's been in the league.
I dunno.... we are so loaded we could end up keeping 7 WRs. 1 thing for sure, Kelley Washington, who probably would have made this team had he not got hurt, has probably lost his spot to one of Goodman/Walters.
Can't see Crayton being dropped. We are going with VJ, M80, Crayton, Tutu, Brown and Goodman or Walters. I'd like to see us keep them all.
with injuries at OLB they might use that spot on one more OLB
Keep one, Goodman or Tutu.
Well I suppose we could try stashing Goodman on the PS one more time. There doesn't seem to be as much need for a Kassim Osgood type gunner any more.
That's how I sea it as well, Goodman and Washington go on the practice squad.
Washington is a vet. Not eligeable for the practice squad.
Then I guess it is goodbye to Washington.
So be honest here.....do we actually think Walters can be a starting WR in the NFL? Or is the fear of Wes Welker happening again swaying our judgement?
Walters doesn't have to be a starter to make the roster. As a 3rd or 4th receiver or even 5th receiver, he can make the team. The real key early on will be whether or not he could contribute on special teams.
Are there any post left from the time when Welker was a Bolt? It would be interesting to see what people were saying then about him, was BoltTalk even in existence in 2004?
Chargers.com forum was, I went back awhile ago and read the posts from the 2005 Draft thread and the comments about the Merriman pick. (most were happy)
You could look there. I would but I was banned for 3 weeks.
I know that, but the question is can he eventually be a starting WR in the NFL? Or are we holding a spot for a player who will get 3 catches all year, and then eventually be cut in the next offseason?
Or is Richard Goodman better at getting seperation?
Or should we keep Frank Summers knowing Hester has 1yr left?
Or is there a defensive player who isn't getting as much TV time, who is more likely to actually contribute to our 2011 effort?
I would probably go with Walters as a KR / 6th WR and try to get Goodman and Summers on the practice squad.
I agree, because if we try to get Walters through waivers & on our the practice squad, we won’t be able to – he’s already “starred” in too many impressive ESPN highlights this preseason and if he’s not on our 53 man roster, he’ll be on some other team’s this season!
I agree. I think that is the mistake we made with Wes Welker (though I could be wrong).
I think it's highly realistic that we keep 6 WR's. I also think it's highly realistic if Walters does not make the squad, he would be poached off waivers quite quickly.
(That thread generated 24 pages even back then)...
The Chargers released Wes Welker in order to sign Clinton Hart while retaining rights to Tim Dwight (who was a vet return specialist). I am certain they had every intention of signing Wes to the PS, but he chose to go to Miami instead. There is more to the story, a *LOT* more as to how Wes wound up with the Dolphish - but the bottom line is that it turned out to be a mistake by the Chargers IMHO. A lot of us liked the heck out of Welker back then and disagreed with not putting Dwight on IR. As it turned out, Michael Turner turned out to be a pretty good return man in his own right. -=dave=-
Man, you dug deep to find that thread. The list of "guests" in that thread is amazing.
To be fair, a lot of people liked Welker and I remember there being dissent when he was let go....but they liked him as a return man.
I don't think there were any visionaries who saw him as the NFL WR that he is today.
I definately liked him as a returner and thought he could be a good 3rd down receiver. My concern was his size, he reminded me of Tim Dwight, and I saw how often Tim would take a hit and not be able to get up.
Yeah, if you recall - Timmy had suffered a collapsed lung (TWICE) and was trying to come back from a hamstring injury. I think the biggest reason the Mods themselves were upset with Welker's release was that we kept Johnson who *should* have been released instead - ah well - different bridge, different waters eh? I agree with Leo, back then *ALL* of us were looking at him (Welker) as a pure return man, not a #2 or #3 WR.
Gee - weren't we really talking about Walters before I helped drag this off-topic?
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