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Free Agency 2013

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by SuperCharger92, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. Bolts4lyfe
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    Chargers ILB Takeo Spikes "believes" he'll be back with the team in 2013.
    Spikes, 36, has one year left on his contract at $3 million. Beat writer Kevin Acee said after the season that it was almost certain Spikes would be cut. With a new staff in town, though, Spikes could be viewed as a locker room leader. Plus, the Bolts don't have a shoo-in to replace Spikes in the lineup. 2011 second-rounder Jonas Mouton has been a bust to this point.
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    The only way that he's on the roster in 2013 is if he restructures his contract down to vet min for an extension.
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    Ill take him back. Makes ILB less of a need.
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    Me too, but not for 3 mil.
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    What are you gonna do? Ask the defensive leader to take a pay cut in his final year? Not gonna happen.
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    To be honest I'd actually feel comfortable rolling into the season with Butler, Spikes, Mouton and Gachkar. This would definitely need to be addressed in the 2014 off season but it would take away the need to find a replacement this year while we focus on O line and secondary.
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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1482116-calculating-2013-cap-space-for-every-nfl-team/page/27

    Bill Williamson claims we'll have about $8.7M in cap space prior to cuts. I have no idea how he got that number, it seems everyone comes up with a different one.

    BTW I find it interesting that the Bucs with monster contracts like Jackson, Nicks, McCoy, Joseph, Penn, and Wright have projected over $30M to play with. Even their punter has a $19M contract...and they still somehow have cap room.
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    Answer? They're not paying 15 Mil to their QB.
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    I want Larry Grant, is that too much to ask for?
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    Also, they spent so many years with the Glazers using money made by the Bucs to be funneled into and spent on Manchester United that now that there's an actual cap floor that has to be met under the new CBA, they're having to spent. They, along with the Bengals, had one of the lowest total personnel spending amounts over the past decade - on several instances their outlay for cap used was literally half of what teams like Washington and Dallas were spending.
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    The Union-Tribune San Diego believes that impending free agent CB Antoine Cason will get at least $5 million annually in free agency, and "probably more."
    Cason came on late in 2012 to finish with 73 tackles, two interceptions, and 11 pass deflections as a 16-game starter. While San Diego has expressed interest in bringing him back, he likely won't be returning on a "team-friendly" contract. Shareece Wright and Marcus Gilchrist are the only other corners on the Chargers' roster with NFL experience.
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    I think Phillips, Cason, and Vasquez all walk.

    And of course Jammer.
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    I agree, of course I'd like to see a vet FA come in. I think Gilchrist and Wright will get every opportunity to start.
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    I think Gilchrist and Wright need to be pushed and get a vote of confidence from this coaching staff. Because I truly think their our corners this year.

    Gilchrist wrote on instagram not too long ago, "Just got a call from Coach McCoy, ready to turn up already."

    I'm guessing he gave Gilly the heads up. But I'd still like for us to sign a vet CB in FA, and also re-sign Jammer to play SS and he could be a viable option as a back up CB.

    If we lose Spikes, I just hope Weddle will grow a pair and take over this defense as a leader.
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    Well we only have 2 CBs on the roster...so I think there is a better than 0% chance we do sign a veteran, or at least spend a draft pick on a CB.

    Cason is not worth big money, or even the effort to negotiate IMO. My bet is he goes to Carolina, they need a CB and his only good year was with Ron Rivera.
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    He had one of those? :)
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    Some players who could easily get released who are interesting to me...

    RB Michael Turner - Owed over $8M this year, and the Falcons are tight to the cap.
    DE Will Smith - Owed around $14M this year, the Saints are set to be $14M over the cap. If they want to have a chance to keep Bushrod....
    ILB Jon Beason - Owed around $9.5M this year, the Panthers drafted Kuchley last year they no longer need Beason.
    TE Jermichael Finley - Owed around $8.5M this year, just not essential to their offense.
    DE Tyson Jackson - Owed over $14M if he makes the roster, is essentially just a run stopper and nothing else.
    OLB James Harrison - Owed about $10M, is 34 years old, and the Steelers are set to be $10M over the cap.
    CB Ike Taylor - Owed around $9M and is 32 years old. Could be a good veteran stop gap for us at a much cheaper price.
    TE Zach Miller - Cap hit is about $11M and he's been very disappointing. Could be a solid #2 option for us should we cut McMichael.

    We're not in great cap standing ourselves so obviously some of these guys would be luxuries. But its just something to keep our eye on.
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    All of those guys will be expensive. Other than Beason, all of those guys are old.
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    you can't forget about Greg Gatson:D

    But I still think we should pick up a McFadden, Alford, Ryan, Hawthorne, Wreh-Wilson type player in the draft
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    First of all I don't expect any player I listed to garner more than $4-5M a year max anywhere they sign, and most of them less than that. Secondly its not like we're marrying these guys to the roster, I'm talking about cap friendly 1, 2, or 3 year deals if possible...otherwise move on.

    Finley (26) is the only one I could see getting anywhere near $5M a year, and really his attractiveness is limited because he's not a good blocker. The only reason I don't see us pursuing him is if we believe LaDarius Green is capable of being a similar player.
    Jackson (26) is a very good run blocker, he would be a nice upgrade over Martin and provide solid depth.
    Miller (27) I still like him as a player, I think he's a bad fit in their offense, he will come at a more reasonable price.
    Beason (28) was a great player, but has played 5 total games the last 2 years. He won't get a big deal from anyone.
    Taylor (32) is old, he will come cheap, but is still a better than average spot filler should someone get injured.
    Harrison (34) is old of course, but again a 1 or 2 year deal could be very attractive. I love the mentality he brings.

    Smith and Turner are long shots.
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    I'm not throwing in the towel for 2013, I'm more excited for this season than I ever was during the Turner era, and although I would like to see a few vets come in in a few key spots, for depth and areas of need. I believe (and would like to see) Telesco giving Gilchrist, Wright, Mouton, Gachkar, Thomas, Stuckey etc. full time starting gigs to see where we are and what holes we need to fill for 2014.

    We're close but not there yet. Who knows maybe these kids are ready to contribute (lets face it Turner isn't exactly known for giving young players a chance to play over veterans). I'd rather see a less expensive home grown product as a starter than a player with the same skill set brought in from someone else's "out bin"

    Realistically we don't have enough to bring in a ton of good to great players (maybe one) anything else we do will be 2nd and 3rd stringers from other teams.
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    I really want Jamar Taylor, I think he's going to be a great cover corner. Unfortunately after he runs around 4.3 at the combine we'll probably miss out on him if we don't use our 2nd.
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    Look at the guys Indy signed last year under their GM and Telesco and expect the same here. No big names, but guys who will contribute.

    Were gonna build through the draft for sure, and have that luxury of money, Telesco help made available to Indy, around $34M in dead money..

    This will be a a 2 year project, but I think with the talent of this team, we can still achieve a successful season in 2013.
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    For a low cost I'd love to pick up Beason or Turner.

    Beason is an excellent player when healthy, good locker room presence and smart player on the field.

    Turner is declining clearly, but as a #2 option he'd be better than anything else we could pick up.
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    I think if managed properly it'll be a 1 year project, if that even. To become a 10 win team this year we need to do 3 things...

    1. Fix the O-line: Not an impossible task in one off-season and shouldn't be that expensive. I think the move to a ZBS makes guards much easier to find, in fact I wouldn't be surprised to see Baxter or Molk start at OG next year. Which means we can spend our 1st on Eric Fisher or Lane Johnson, which is an immediate massive upgrade over the joke that is Mike Harris.

    2. Fix Philip Rivers: Obviously #1 should help this massively, but the addition of Mike McCoy and Ken Wisenhunt has us moving in the right direction immediately.

    3. Avoid decline on defense: I think this could actually be the sneakiest problem of the 3. Phillips, Jammer and Cason are all likely gone, Martin is a blah player I'm not sure if we should give even the vet minimum too, English will be cut, and Franklin and Barnes are up in the air. I think getting Franklin and Barnes (sounds like a law firm:)) back is absolutely essential, also Melvin Ingram needs to improve the way Liuget did. Also we need to sign at least one veteran CB, and draft another guy with starting ability not just another B list utility player. We will also need DE depth and it wouldn't hurt to keep our eye out for an affordable pass rusher in FA or a guy that falls in the draft.

    I'm not sure what all the "rebuilding" talk is about, what this looks like to me is an O-line overhaul and a face lift for the defense. And as far as smaller issues like #2 RB, #2 SS, and #2 TE those can be solved with band aide free agents and mid-late draft picks...this draft neck deep in 3 down complimentary RBs.
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    I meant with contracts, money, and then eventually play of the players. I think we can no doubt get to the playoffs with this team next year, but go deep into them, I do not know. Looks more probable in 2014 than 2013.

    Again 2013 will decide what we do with a number of players, even Philip Rivers.
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    Dont think any of those are realistic options for us. Maybe Taylor or Miller, but thats about it. Turner and Harrison are over the hill and suck. Finley is a d bag, who is super injury prone and hasn't produced, i take Jared Cook over him any day of the week. Beason, Smith couldn't play in a 34 to save their lives, Beasons only fault other than the injuries (which have demolished his greatest strength in his athleticism) is that he cant shed blocks, no thanks.

    Of the guys who are likely to be cut, i'd take Chris Gamble over Ike Taylor. Miller isn't all that intreaguing to me, but he'd be a solid TE to pair with Gates.

    Right now, my FA wishlist sits as listed below...:
    Demetress Bell (He reportedly never picked up PHI's blocking scheme, and we have the coach that made him such a big success while in buffalo, will come very cheap off a bad year, low risk, with the potential of a very solid swing OT, one that could even give us a stop gap at LT)

    Larry Grant (A guy who's been burried on the depth chart, but has gotten loads of praise from the team, could be a good Burnett like signing)

    Chris Gamble (Older vet corner, who's still very solid, likely to get cut, could pair well in a off zone/man with Wright and/or Cason)

    Chris Ivory (Unfortunately probably unreasonable as he's a RFA unless we're planning on dishing out a pick for him, but i've liked this kid for a LONG time. If not him, then maybe Shonn Greene, Rashaad Jennings, Bush or even Bradshaw if he checks out)

    Maybe a TE/H Back like Fred Daivs/Jared Cook, or Michael Hoomanawanui

    Another interesting thought i had was to bring in Freeney for cheap just as a pass rush specialist. Would be better than Phillips in that department, and we could develop a younger guy behind him.
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    I was really just talking about players who could (will) get released. I honestly don't think we'll make any impact in FA this year unless someone like Rivers or Weddle agrees to re-structure their contract.
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    Dwight Freeney had one of his worst years in Indy this past season, mind you they switched to the 3-4. Indy don't look anxious to sign him, and other 4-3 teams are calling him for his services for sure. Even though he wants to retire in Indy, its not looking too good.

    Some realistic options for us I believe are,

    RB: Kahlil Bell, Mike Goodson and LaRod Stephens-Howling
    WR: Donnie Avery, Ramses Barden, Brandon Gibson and I would consider Randy Moss, but that's not being too realistic.
    TE: Tom Crabtree, Jeff Cumberland, Ben Hartstock and Delaine Walker
    OG: Andy Levitre, Jeff Linkenbach, Chad Rinehart, Geoff Schwartz and Donald Thomas
    DL: Justin Bannan, Mike Devito, Antonio Johnson, Ma'ake Kemoeatu, Derek Landri, Tony McDaniel, Matt Shaughnessy, Issac Sopoaga, Martin Tevaseu, and Kevin Vickerson.
    ILB: Larry Grant, Kirk Morrison, Phillip Wheeler
    CB: Darius Butler, Chris Gamble, Elbert Mack, Chris Owens, Sam Shields, Marcus Trufant and I would consider Derek Cox but he will most likely get Cason money ($5M/yr)
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    Free agent OG Louis Vasquez is expected to command $6 million annually.
    The Chargers recently reached out to Vasquez, but contract negotiations are not yet believed to be underway. Vasquez will be just 26 when the 2013 season starts, and he's near the top of a thin free-agent offensive guard class. Andy Levitre will be the most highly coveted guard. Vasquez won't be too far behind.

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