Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Lightning's Girl, Apr 27, 2007.
VW TDI (Diesel) 45 pg and 3.00 a gal..........laughing all the way to the bank.
$2.63 today here in San Antone!! :yes: :icon_toast:
Running <$2.80 in most places here!
Not too bad!!
Not at all, especially considering what it was a few months ago.
Of course, a coupla years ago we would've been OUTRAGED at these prices.............now they seem cheap by comparison. That's cuz the oil folks are quite Machiavellian in their manipulations---they drop the prices gradually after a huge surge, but they never let them go down as far as the previous time; and then when prices jump again, they jump both faster and higher. THEN, when they drop yet again (but not as far), we think we're really making out, when in reality the prices are just getting higher and higher........we just don't fully realize it because gas has gone down fifty or sixty cents a gallon recently, and Americans have short memories. And even shorter attention spans.
What was I talking about again? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
I talked with Conc and Trumpie today, they're around $3.00 :icon_eek: :icon_sad:
I drive an Explorer. Bought it right before the gas pricces skyrocketed. OOPS. Oh well, I wouldn't want anything other than an suv. The ground clearance it has makes it worth it to me, but I still don't like paying around $3.
$2.91.9 was the cheapest I could find to fill both tanks of that F-350 last week (was towing a 5th wheel around). Our other car which gets a *lot* more use this year is a pretty darned fuel efficient little Hyundai. The wife uses the old Explorer to handle shopping for both us and her Mom on the weekends. I'm glad to see less than $3.00 a gallon, but am a long, long way from being "happy" with gas prices.
Price fixing alleged in suit
Gas Station Owners Allege Price Fixing
Aug 22 10:31 AM US/Eastern
By RACHEL KONRAD
AP Business Writer
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Nearly two dozen gas station owners in California sued Shell Oil Co., Chevron Corp. and Saudi Refining Inc., on Tuesday, claiming the companies conspired to fix prices for 23,000 franchise owners nationwide.
The case filed in U.S. District Court in San Francisco seeks class- action status for the plaintiffs. It is similar to another lawsuit filed in 2004 by other California gas station owners that was thrown out by the U.S. Supreme Court last year. The new group of plaintiffs hopes the court will consider a slightly different argument.
Like the previous case, the plaintiffs in this case say chairmen of the three oil companies met privately nearly every month starting in March 1996 for the "purpose of forming and organizing a combination." The lawsuit alleges executives destroyed documents from the meetings, and a now-defunct joint venture violated U.S. antitrust laws and caused artificially high wholesale gas prices in nearly every state from 1999 to 2001.
In a new twist, the plaintiffs now say the venture violates a "rule of reason" governing antitrust matters.
A Chevron spokeswoman, Stephanie Price, said the San Ramon-based company has not seen the lawsuit and she couldn't discuss specifics. She did say Chevron, which acquired Texaco Inc. in 2001, was vindicated last year when Chief Justice John Roberts blasted the previous case for its "very artificial hook."
The lawsuit hinges on a marketing deal that, plaintiffs say, allowed former rivals to collude on prices starting in 1998, when Shell and Texaco Inc. formed Equilon Enterprises LLC to market gasoline in western states. They formed Motiva Enterprises LLC later that year for the eastern half of the country. Houston-based Saudi Refining also joined Motiva.
Equilon and Motiva began operating when inflation-adjusted crude oil prices hit their lowest levels since the Great Depression, according to San Francisco-based lawyer Joseph M. Alioto, who represented plaintiffs in both the old and new cases. Yet gas prices soared for franchise owners, forcing them to pass on the cost to consumers or cut profit margins.
"These executives get together and say, 'OK, we're going to raise Texaco's price to Shell's price, then we're going to raise both of them 50 to 75 percent, and we're going to do it after we've already had all these cost savings,'" Alioto said.
The lawsuit doesn't seek a specific financial award. Alioto argues wholesale prices were higher by at least 20 cents a gallon and possibly as much as 40 cents per gallon from 1999 to 2001.
Since an average gas station in the United States pumps about 100,000 gallons per month, Alioto says the energy companies owe each of the 23,000 station owners at least $240,000.
Station owners had little choice but to pay higher prices. Franchises typically sign long-term contracts with oil suppliers, making it tough to switch to another brand or an independent supplier.
A spokesman for the state-owned oil company of Saudi Arabia, of which Saudi Refining is a subsidiary, said they had received no official notification of a lawsuit. Representatives did not return phone calls and e-mails to Houston-based Shell, a subsidiary of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group.
The case is Madani v. Shell, C07-4296-MEJ.
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