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LT clearly delighted with Chargers slow start

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by matilack, Oct 18, 2010.

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    Skewed stats nonetheless.
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    How so? Because of that first game or because of limited touches? He's had at least 11 caries in every game I believe. Thomas Jones is averaging 4.3 ypc.
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    Do you even know what Yards Per Carry means?

    The fact that Mathews (while being coddled due to an injury) is averaging 3 less carries per game than LT averaged last year is irrelevant to the fact that Mathews is averaging 1.8 more rushing yards per carry than LT did.

    Why do you think carrying the ball less makes that any less meaningful? It's not like we're talking hard numbers like rushing yards here.
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    Compare with the "Touches" of Adrain Foster and A.P
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    You clearly do not have a grasp on the concept of averages.
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    Will then tell me. Can a RB average 5.3 yards an Entire Season?
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    Please. Stop. I can only facepalm so much!
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    Tomlinson did it in 2003 and 2006.

    But that's irrelevant. The point is, Mathews, Tolbert, and even Sproles are doing well behind the line when LT struggled.

    If you want to make a straight comparison through 6 games, LT averaged 3.17 YPC through the first 6 games last year.

    Through the first 4 games last year LT had 61 carries, which compares about evenly with the 54 Mathews has right now.

    Through those 61 carries LT was averaging 3.45 YPC
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    *L.T missed 2 games while Mathews missed 1. Stats will be slighty skewed. Not to mention the Rankings of the Rush Defense of the teams we have faced.
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    Those were LT's first 6 games, not the Chargers' first 6 games.

    And you continue to fail at grasping the concept of averages.

    How many different ways do I need to spell it out to you that, by average, Mathews has ran the ball further than LT did last year for each time they touched the ball?
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    HOW CAN AN AVERAGE BE SKEWED!?!?

    Edit: I apologize. I'm slightly falling for the troll bait.
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    O.K. But Ryan is on pace for a 752 yard season. Not what anyone wants from a 1st round pick. But we'll see what he does against better teams as the season goes on. Am just iffy on him right now.
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    How many yards did Tomlinson have last year?
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    So you want me to look at the number of carries when discussing averages but you're going to throw out the sheer yardage he's on pace for?

    Now you are the one that needs to look at the number of carries.

    A guy averaging 5.1 yards per carry should not be getting the ball as little as he's getting.

    This is an opportunity for you to curse Norval some more but, instead, you're using it to display a gross ineptitude in understanding mathematical concepts.
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    730. So Ryan having a 752 yard season really means it was the right decison?
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    Obviously I know it can change. Hence the reason I said lets see how the season pans out for him. Not looking good so far.
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    For starters, using projections (54 carries, 5 games, can only play 15 this season, 5.1 YPC) Mathews is on pace for 826.2 yards this season.

    But, that's not important because somehow I doubt Mathews continues to only touch the ball at a pace of 10.2 times per game if he continues to run it 5.1 yards per every time he touches the ball.
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    The part that's not looking good for him is beyond his control.

    Do you not grasp the concept of 5.1 yards per carry? It's not his call how many carries he gets, but it is (for the most part) within his control how many yards he gets when he does get the ball.
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    Tolbert carried the ball for 5.9 last year, Jacob Hester and Sproles were both over 5 ypc in 08, Even Jesse Chatman ran for over 6 yps in 04. Having a high average in a small amount of carries needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

    Matthews may end up being really good this year, but as long as he is only averaging 11 carries per game played, talking about how good he is due to his rushing average is pretty ridiculous
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    Even if Tomlinson averaged 3.7 in the same number of carries?
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    No, I am simply stating that the offensive line starters are not the same as the ones last year. I have made no indication that they are "better" in any way.
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    Is Tomlinson clearly delighted that he dawged it his last two years in Dego?????
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    Do you have anything to support your claim? I can't see any reason for L.T to "dawg" it for his last years here.
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    I didn't expect anything else...regarding LT's reaction to the question
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    Is it really that surprising that LT is feeling pretty good about the way things worked out right now....or that he wears his emotions on his sleeve? I think his beef is pretty clearly with AJ moreso than the Chargers organization. I'm happy he's doing well as long as it isn't against us....and I'll root for him but not his team. I can't really blame him for cracking a smile after all the chit talking that followed him out the door laying all of the blame on him for our crappy running game last year.

    I think our running game is in pretty good shape with a more physical running style that matches to our current offense....but I also think we are missing a few things without LT....first and foremost I think our running backs lost more fumbles in the past 5 games than LT did in the past 5 years in SD. We are also clearly missing on blocking assignments with RB's which just comes with the territory with a rook...Mathews had a really bad one for a sack on Sunday......and LT arguably has the greatest nose for the endzone in the history of the game...he can score so many ways that he is a weapon that is hard to replace inside the 10 yard line.
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    Of course Tomlinson didn't cought it up in the red zone twice in his career...much less twice in the first 5 carries like Tolbert. The big boy needs to fix that or he gets no major props from me.
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    Twas a close one.
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    Look at his stats.
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    Yeah but that doesn't answer WHY he would "supposedly" give up he's last two years here.

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