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M-80 chronically under-coached?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Fossil, Jun 18, 2013.

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    Every player is different. The things that M-80 is learning are likely things that Royal already knows, being that Royal is a small receiver known for his route-running and quickness. Meachem? Who knows. I think both players were misused last season. Royal's biggest issue has been staying healthy.
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    Coaching issues under Norv Turner? NEVER! :eek:

    It's amazing (not really) how quickly the players are buying into the new system and praising the new coaching staff, considering they were all willing to jump off a bridge for Norvelous. Seems there are other fish in the sea after all.
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    Chronically under coached?
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    Our receivers have so much potential. It would be nice if they would do something with it.
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    YEAH WHAT HE SAID.
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    Not really surprising that different coaches bring different experiences and techniques to the players. Change is often good from the aspect that players get "stale" in their development if they remain in the same system for their whole career like Floyd.

    The main issue, is not the players buying into the new system, but getting them all to absorb it enough so they no longer have to think about what they are doing..... that takes time. It's invaluable to have a guy like Rinehart on the O-line. To have a player that knows the system and the coaches methods can really help out the other guys on the line. Some things are better understood when explained by a teammate.
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    I don't think the select few who still bought into Norv and used the "he has the players' backing" as their argument thought Norv was the only fish in the sea who could get the job done. They just thought that there's no need to find one when you already have one. (Not saying we did already have one...that's just the mindset of somebody who doesn't think the current guy in charge [Norv in our case] was the issue.)
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    In Floyd's case, he seems to be a guy who learns much better from seeing the route run, rather than having it explained to him, the way Joiner did. There's no question that having a 32-year-old receivers coach (who can demonstrate the routes himself) has advantages over a 65-year-old coach who can just tell you what he wants.
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    Really? This is how you judge the last regime? What choice do the players have but to buy in? Perhaps they like the fresh start. You seem to be looking for ways to validate an argument that is just foul wind, Norv is gone. When he was here he did well his first several seasons. Talent fell off and with it our wins. If you are suggesting Norv did nothing right, and did not properly coach anyone then I just have to shake my head at your reaching for validation of a in-validatable issue.
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    Yeah pretty sure we've already had this argument multiple times, and I explained my position thoroughly. You're just not worth my time again Conc, you'll end up taking yet another analytical football conversation that is way over your head and bring it down to name calling and putting words in my mouth.

    Sorry bud, read any Norv related offseason thread from the last 4-5 years if you want my opinion.
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    I agree, I'm just pointing out that a players opinion isn't always worth as much as some people like to believe. Floyd for example probably would have defended Joiner to the bitter end...and now he seems to have been enlightened by our new WR coach and happy to have him. I guess I'm just tired of hearing..."well so and so player/coach/GM said this, so obviously it's true." I like to focus more on the results after 6 years of evidence.
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    In other words you cant figure out how to respond in a manner of have, said 'analytical football coversation' without resorting to name calling or trying to knock someone down by questioning if said conversation is over their head.

    I have read many takes on Norv. Typically yours was ill thought out, and lacking of form other than 'I no like him'. To argue as you are that Norv could not coach because players are buying into a new system does indeed show one of us is incapable of participating in anything resembling an 'analytical conversation'.

    Well played, way to remain on form...:tup:
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    Weak baiting attempt, :rolleyes: we're not going to have that conversation again so lets move on.

    If you want a reason why, read this highlighted part again as it is classic Concudan. What you're accusing me of saying here is not only false, it makes absolutely no sense, my jaw has literally dropped at how you came to such an astoundingly WRONG conclusion of the observation (not argument) I was making in my original post. (The observation simply being the world didn't end when Norv got fired, turns out they like the new guys too)

    Thanks for that, it validates my decision.
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    Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what you are trying to communicate in the bolded section above. You claim I am doing the 'classic Concudan' while you do the 'classic Matilack' which is make a comment, cant back it up then try to tell everyone you did not make the comment...

    I doubt you could find anyone who thought the world ended with Norv. Most people who were pro-Norv (myself included) were ready to see him shipped out a year earlier. So if you are attempting to point that out, you failed.

    I for one am a little concerned that the Chargers players are talking a good talk, but I want to see them buy into the system on Sundays in fall. Until then, it is just the party line.
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    I did that already pal.

    I was simply stating the irony that some 16 months ago we were hearing that Philip Rivers himself was going to ownership on behalf of Norv, that we discussed the perils of firing head coaches and how "it could be worse". And now....life seems to have moved on, in fact if you read between the lines it seems the players are realizing Norv's practices were a little slow, a little lax, maybe a little less detail oriented....as I'm sure you remember me mentioning in the past.:coffee:


    Also I love that you consider this "party line", but you were all over it when the players came out supporting Norv as if they had a choice, or they would be classless enough to dump on the guy. See...irony all over the place these days.;)
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    Life never stopped. Right now it is the party line. Norvs first season all the players 'bought in'. Then the lost and lost and lost. They had a team meeting and decided to actually 'buy in' and won. So that tells me what the players say isnt always what they mean. I have high hopes for this coaching staff, but I have had high hopes for all the others. I am going to be cautiously optimistic with them.

    I think the players showed that they were over the Norv years last season when they treated him like the lame duck coach he was. Alls I can say is 4th and 29....
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    I've been saying this for years, literally years! I know you understand what irony is Conc...I was making fun of Malcom Floyd! And Philip Rivers! And really any player who publicly declared it wasn't Norv's fault that Norv is a great coach....and now is singing the praises of the new guys.

    What it should tell you is exactly what I have already told you, that Spanos allowing the players to talk him into keeping Norv was an outrageous display of WEAK ownership and bad business. It was the kind of thing you see from a young dumb impressionable fan, not a CEO of a billion dollar company.

    Is it too much to hope that we actually understand each other for once? I feel like we're close.
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    Face it- either the players "buy into" the new system or they're going to get cut or ride the bench... so I guess buying into the new system is the only choice. Glad that they seem to be picking it up quick because we've had enough sh!tty fottball the last three years to last me a lifetime.

    Remember: LT didn't "buy into" Norv's system and guess what- he got released.
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    The situation was a little different with Marty, because the team was coming off a 14-2 season. Naturally, many players would not have seen the need for a change at that point.

    Three consecutive years of missing the playoffs does not lend itself to players refusing to buy into a new system.
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    I agree with your base argument. Player approval isn't really the end-all argument some make it out to be.

    I've seen both the player's coach and the coach everyone hates succeed and fail in all sports.
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    Not worthy of new thread, but doesn't having Floyd run a wider variety of routes, and making sharper cuts, increase his chances of getting injured?
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    Norv is out and McCoy is in, not to mention the real reason the Bolts took a nose dive from the loss of many top shelf players who were never replaced. This thing didn't implode because of one man alone but by the efforts of many or the lack thereof. All it sounds like to me is that M-80 is now going to have to try a sell his route to the defender to gain space instead of reading and moving to the open spot. Different systems with different schemes to achieve the same goal. The team seems to be in a better position at this point over last year but that will all be proofed out during the upcoming distilling process.
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