Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by gettough, Mar 21, 2012.
I dig it.
I'd be nice, depending on what we pick up for the trade back.
But I really don't like seeing the Broncos get Wallace from the Steelers, thats a scary thought.
Yeah I don't think for one Kuechly lasts til 18 and two Steelers trade up to get him when they much rather probably get a guy like Hightower who fits more their mold. It would be nice, but does Pete Carrol really select Mercilus over Perry? I think his USC roots get the best of him on that pick and he might look to trade back and take Perry.
I don't know, this draft is quite in depth with a lot of underclassmen which equals good, young talent. Should be really fun to see how it goes down draft day. I might be out there this April. NY is only about 4-5 hours from my house. Would love to represent my Chargers on draft day even though AJ might humiliate me while I'm there.
Wouldn't mind seeing what we get for that pick but its not a bad decision, it means we move back, still get a guy we are probably seriously looking at, and get extra picks at the spot. This pick though would make sense even with acquiring Jarrett Johnson - we could use Perry as a pass rush specialist much as we did Merriman when he first came into the league while using Johnson for obvious rush downs etc (much as we used Ben Leber originally)
Don't think Wallace will seriously move, he came out to the 49ers and said he wants more money than Larry Fitzergald (snort). Doubt there'll be a trade for that, seriously.
What do we acquire for moving down?
Did I miss something in the article?
Top 20 pick defiantly has to get a 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder in this year's draft or a valuable pick in next years.
The article would carry just a bit more interest if it actually played out that part. If you're gonna play what-if, at least take it all the way through.
Haha I agree.. But I don't see the Bronco's going after Mike Wallace AT ALL. Thomas is developing and Decker is as well. They just signed Caldwell and will most likely grab Dallas Clark and Brandon Stokely. Not to mention Manning will make Decker and Thomas look like Pro-Bowlers, similar to what he did with Garcon, Blair, White, and Gonzalez.
So us trading spots with Pitt would be nice, but probably not realistic. Kuechly doesn't fit that steel curtain mold like Hightower does. For anything, Pitt will trade back and take Hightoweer..
Kuechly is a guy that I'd actually consider moving up to get.
Yeah yeah I know ....
I actually wonder about a team like the Patriots moving up to select a pass rusher, if there's one they have their eyes set on, or a defensive end. That's a team that needs some defensive playmakers, they're screaming for it, and with two picks in every round they definitely have the firepower to do it. They do make trades up for players they love (see 2008 Jerrod Mayo), so maybe they'd do the same?
I don't see many guys left as FA's on the defensive side of the ball that they'd have Brady make that much cap room for.
It will never happen, the Patriots just collect picks they don't actually plan what to do with them. They've needed a pass rusher for years and have deliberatley ignored it the same way AJ has ignored RT and SS. If there is one pass rusher I can see them falling in love with MAYBE its Perry, Bellichick doesn't even glance at OLBs who aren't 6'4+ or 270+, and Perry is boarderline on both.
The site posted their second round and showed we got Pitt's second round pick http://letsgosandiego.blogspot.com/2012/03/mock-draft-second-round.html
Trading back for Perry and getting a second round pick is a good idea, not sure I would use the second round picks on those two players but I dont know much about them. Denver's draft looks real good and so does Kansas City's.
There two great picks, but San Diego, front office, and the coaching staff have faith in Tyronne Green. I don't know if we'll use a pick on an OL til the 5th. Or unless we trade back of course one could be taken there. I surely want OLB and SS being our first two picks (Nick Perry & Harrison Smith).
I don't see anything resembling this scenario happening.
Interesting we go offensive line twice with the second picks. Brooks is a big reach in the second IMHO but he's wildly talented, and I'm never going to complain about getting someone to replace Clary.
Doubt that would happen though
So let's look at some realistic instances of teams who might trade up with us:
Tennessee, Detroit, Green Bay, Houston (listed in order of likelihood)
In pursuing Peyton Manning, the Titans front office neglected their interior OL something fierce. Yes, they signed Steve Hutchinson but Hutch has maybe a season or two of productivity left in him if they're lucky (and he REALLY started showing signs of age affecting his play last season which folks were quick to chalk up to the poor quality of LT playing next to him, but if you actually just watch Steve on tape, he was responsible for quite a bit of it as well). Meanwhile, they still have Eugene Amano as their starting center (probably among the 3 worst centers starting in the league who gets driven back into his QB by bull-rushes consistently).
With the Bears having acquired Marshall, they're likely going to be viewed by other teams as primed to select an interior lineman in the 1st, it's just a question of which side of the ball. Could be an instance of an easily acquired 3rd round pick for us to drop back 2 spots and allow the Titans to leapfrog the Bears and get their guy.
Detroit... they re-signed Jeff Backus, and they typically go BPA, however, that's a much easier philosophy to adhere to when you're consistently picking high in draft orders. With this being Mayhew's first draft in the later part of the order, he may find himself being more drawn to a particular player that falls that he doesn't want to chance a team like Cincinnati, Cleveland, or Chicago (if the Lions are targeting a CB) and willing to part with a mid-round pick to move up for him.
Call me nuts, but I think Houston could make a move up for Mike Adams and be thinking they'd need to get as high as above Chicago and Detroit to do it (not just above Pittsburgh). Duane Brown had arguably his best season for them, but he's entering a contract year this season and the team may be pressed for cap space with Cushing, Schaub, and Barwin all due for extensions in 2013 as well. Meanwhile, they just released their starting RT for cap relief which typically isn't done unless you feel you have an adequate replacement on the roster already, or you have a contingency plan in place... and guys like Rashad Butler and Derek Newton don't exactly inspire confidence that the former is the case. I doubt they forfeit a straight 2nd round pick (as they have too many needs), but we could see them part with that newly minted high(er) 3rd they upgraded to from their natural 3rd in the DeMeco Ryans trade.
Denver, Pittsburgh, New England (order of likelihood)
Yes, it's a deep DT draft, but that doesn't preclude teams having particular prospects they fall in love with and deciding they don't want to just settle for picking among the best of what's left over. Denver's demonstrated that they are likely going all-in for/with Peyton and losing Brodrick Bunkley just left their interior DL in shambles. They may not see themselves as having the luxury of waiting until after Chicago, Cincy, Pittsburgh (threat to take a 5-Tech as there's talk of moving Ziggy Hood to nose after he's struggled to produce as a DE), and Tennessee all potential candidates to pluck guys from the board before them. If a high ceiling guy like Brockers or a dark horse like Fletcher Cox is their guy and is there, they may elect to really press for him. Nice thing is... they're a division rival, meaning I couldn't see any instance in which we did this for less than their 2nd round pick as making up the difference.
Pittsburgh has needs at 5-tech from everything I'm reading. Cameron Heyward has shown promise, Ziggy Hood hasn't. They always draft at least one year ahead of need, but Aaron Smith was released, Brett Keisel is nearing retirement, and they have little behind them. They also have very specific need in terms of type of 5-Tech that fits their system. It's not likely, but it's also not impossible.
The Pats are an anomaly. They move all over the place. Belichick never selects who people expect him to. And they always seem to come out of every draft already ahead of the curve for the next year's draft. That said, this is a team with a ton of youth on it and that - as the Super Bowl showed - can operate well within their systems but can often lack the kind of upside of guys that can take over games (particularly on the defensive side of the ball). Everyone always projects BB to take an edge rusher and he never does - probably because we rarely see a guy he really falls in love with. It's possible that Melvin Ingram could be that guy - especially since Belichick still covets his DE/OLB's to be able to drop into zone-coverage to leave him able to give multi-looks on D... heck, Nick Perry could be that guy or Courtney Upshaw could be that guy (given the Belichick/Saban connection). If Bill covets a ready-to-play DE he's going to have to make a move for one because sitting behind the likes of Baltimore, Chicago, Cleveland, Houston, and Green Bay doesn't bode well for getting that Day One ready guy.
It's basically suggesting that AJ would do something twice in the same round that he's only done one other time in his career as a front office executive (select an OL prior to the 3rd round). I'd say 'doubt' is a massive understatement.
The thing is isnt Green and Louis both free agents after next season. Not sure I like the idea of both starting guards becoming free agents. Knowing AJ he will resign one of them and give the other starting job to Schilling.
Well Green won't get one until he proves himself. Vasquez needs to have a solid year this year as well to merit one. AJ will most likely go the cheapest route, re-sign Green, move him to RG and have Schilling at LG.
If Wright is available at 25, do you think the Broncos will take him? If so, it doesn't really matter whether Pitt or Den has the pick.
Yeah I think Kendall Wright has Mike Wallace potential. Both very similar, but I think Broncos have other needs to worry about other than WR. I think Thomas, Decker, Caldwell, and Stokely can get it done for them.
If the Broncos were dumb enough to make that move, I'd truly laugh myself to the point of tears. They have two absolutely glaring needs that are likely to be addressed with their first two selections in the draft: DT and RB (and John Fox is their coach, so if you think they're just going to ignore RB you obviously haven't paid much attention to John Fox in recent years). If they waste (that's what it would be, I don't care how good the guy is) their 1st on another WR, they're lessening their chances of winning the division because they'll have yet a Denver version of a Colts team Peyton already played on (and a Broncos team similar to the one both Cutler and Orton played on as well) where they couldn't stop the run to save their lives which plays right into the hands of teams trying to keep Peyton where he can do the least amount of damage... on the sideline.
Regardless of their needs a Mike Wallace/Peyton Manning combo is pretty scary when you consider Jammer has to cover him.
True, but when you're sporting a DL that's fully capable of making Jeromey Clary and Louis Vasquez look like run-blocking studs (which the combination of Ryan McBean and Robert Ayers on the strong-side of Denver's line would at this point), Peyton and Wallace see the field only once per quarter if they're lucky. The reason Peyton always struggled against the Pats wasn't so much that Brady lit up the Colts' D it was that the Pats could always seem to churn out great running game performances against Indy even with mid-range players toting the rock (Green-Ellis, Corey Dillon, Kevin Faulk, Sammy Morris).
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