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Offical combine thread

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by charger1993, Feb 22, 2014.

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    He's still developing as a route runner, yes, but he's an instant vertical threat in any offense. He owns catch points, gets YAC, beats man coverage, and is a willing run blocker. He's got great explosion off the line and uses his hands well.

    But, there's something about this LSU wideouts that make them special. Split or slot, they'll both excel. They both ran various routes and do it very well. Mettenberger missed ODB on handful of easy TD's, that's why his TD margin is quite low.

    But agreed on Verrett, I could really care about his size, he has good arm length and great speed to close on the WR, he actually rarely closes because he blankets WRs. Great awareness as well, reminds me of Richard Sherman a bit in terms of football IQ and awareness.
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    Benjamin gets okay YAC in college because most college CBs can't bring down a man that size, but I almost guarantee Benjamin will not be a YAC guy in the NFL. I see more of a catch and fall guy like VJ, and even then I'd argue VJ was a better athlete when he came out.

    I'm not saying he's a bad player, just wouldn't look at him before pick 50 IMO.
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    We all different opinions on players obviously, no biggie. Good conversation and discussion.

    VJ the clear better athlete when he came out, no doubt about it. VJ's arm length is 32 inches, Benjamin's is a nightmarish 35 inches. But, KB loves contact, and even though his 40 times doesn't show his speed, he hits another gear when he's playing. Just ask Loucheiz Purifoy (7:30 mark):

    He ran right by him. Scary thing is, he gets better and better every year, which shows his devotion to the game.
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    Where the fuc are you getting your information from the kid measured in at 5'9!!! He's not shooting up anyone's draft boards, he's a high floor cornerback who covers and plays the ball well in the short-intermediate passing game who is too shaky in deep coverage and cannot press at the LOS because he is too weak. He gets flagged for holding more often than you want to see and while he was decent supporting the run in college might struggle at the next level.

    Some guy already confirmed that tons of teams said they will not draft him on Day 1 or Day 2 because they don't think he can match up with the Calvin Johnsons, Keenan Allens, etc... of the league. It's a given he will never be a #1 CB and yet most of you guys and chargers.com guys want us to take him #25 overall in a relatively deep draft at the position! :tup:
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    For the record I have a late 2nd round to late 3rd round grade on Verrett it would depend on him checking out medically and showing he understands football concepts. You have to worry about his IQ because he received no football scholarships coming out of high school because academically he was a total moron...... Kyle Fuller does everything he does but better and plays the deep ball better.

    Wanna see Verrett get totally owned? Go to 1:49



    Double moves have killed him. You love Verrett's ability to break on the ball and provide sticky coverage but he struggles with fine route runners on posts, flys and stop and go routes. For this reason I cannot advise drafting him at 25 especially before Kyle Fuller unless Fuller's vagina is totally broken.


    This all said I think the CB class this year is very tricky. Justin Gilbert is like Antonio Cromartie in that he will make impact plays yet get beat just as often. Darqueze Dennard is a fierce competitor but he holds and many times didn't get flagged for it while in the NFL he is going to be a penalty machine... I compare him to a less athletic Quentin Jammer (who used to be good for 1-2 holding calls a game his first few years).

    Roby is an athletic freak but he gives up so much underneath and looked like dogshit at times this year.

    All I will say is that the two prospects with the cleanest tape this year are Kyle Fuller and Rashaad Reynolds and I would draft either of them before Verrett.
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    Sorry, but some of the contentions you're making reek of ignorance (yup, you decide to go uber-aggressive in the tone of your posts to people, I'll feel perfectly fine in replying in kind). Outside of Richard Sherman the corner that has the strongest argument for the best performance at his position last season is Brent Grimes, who stands a whopping... wait for it... 5'9" and weighs 190 lbs. and who went all of last season without allowing a TD (while playing against the likes of Keenan Allen, AJ Green, Torrey Smith, Julio Jones (before he got injured), and Marques Colston.

    If you're contending that Verrett can't press, I question how much actual tape you've watched of him - he presses more effectively than Justin Gilbert who is NFL Network's "press-man" darling right now (which in itself is a massive joke). Verrett's not a press-and-bail corner at the next level, but in several schemes (particularly the cover-3/zone scheme we've run now under basically every DC since Wade) he can very much be an effective starter. The short arms are a concern, but they aren't a be-all/end-all, particularly if he shows well in his jumps, as his technique is clean. He's the very type of player that "a number of teams" end up regretting passing on because they pigeonholed on "the latest trend" (in this case, "big corners") rather than trusting the tape. But then I suppose supporting evidence of starters like Brandon Flowers (5'9 1/2"), Janoris Jenkins (5'10" flat), Lardarius Webb (5'9 1/2"), Tramaine Brock (5'9 1/2"), Tim Jennings (5'8"), and Cortland Finnegan (5'9 1/2") sure establishes that a guy the size of Verrett is "too small" to be an effective starting corner in the modern league, right?
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    do you know who I am, buddy? I begged AJ to draft Brandon Flowers over Cason and Janoris Jenkins so KMA & SMD.
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    See, now this is a much better post than the one above. However, one play of getting beaten by a double-move doesn't equate to him being prone to being beaten by them. TCU's system swaps from which "half" of the secondary is in man to zone from play to play depending on assignment and play-call. So without seeing the full-22 view, at least for the first couple seconds of the play to see how the safeties react, it's pretty difficult to determine which corner is in zone and which is manned-up from play to play.

    I admit, he's a reach at #25 - and I'm a Verrett fan - though I view that largely because I feel as though there is going to be better value on the board at 25 than him - and likely most any CB on the board at that point - and I'm a firm value-based draft proponent. Our Cover-3 system is tailor made to his strengths so much that he has value for us at #57 if need is really heavily factored in. Though I've also been stating or a while that given the depth of this class and the general dynamics of NFL defenses, plugging in instinctive, high football IQ corners that can be had on Day 2 and 3 is a more efficient route to solving our secondary problems (provided we're using at least one of the earlier picks to improve the pass-rush) than investing a 1st round pick in any CB from this class.
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    Based off this post, your initial post I responded to, and the post you made that follows this, I'd say your an egomaniacal ****. But hey, that's just me.

    Feel free to pretend like you know me too, buddy. It sure does a lot to show off your ignorance.
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    Hey LBC I don't give a fuc what you think about my posts. I am a world famous poster from Canada and I have legions of followers. You should feel blessed that I have shared my football takes on here. I actually stopped posting on bolttalk because it became infested with chargers.com quality guys like yourself.

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    There's another "world famous" Canadian, besides Justin Bieber?

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    Ford sucks dic against the run and is somewhat inconsistent as a pass rusher even though he has a nice burst and flex off the edge, his snap count anticipation is shaky being sometimes great sometimes average. His play recognition ability is average and he bites on misdirection frequently and will struggle at times to locate the ball. His hands aren't particularly violent and he lacks a great repertoire of pass rush moves. Lots of guys have great senior bowls and never pan out in the NFL. Heck Dan LeFevour was an MVP years back. The bottom line is Ford's tape suggests he will be a very good to great pass rusher at the next level who will struggle against the run and sure as hell cannot set the edge. Why should we draft a one trick pony in the 1st round? As a base 4-3 he is a huge liability against the run and for that scheme I would take Scott Crichton over him in a heartbeat for that scheme. OSU's coach suggested Crichton wouldn't transition well to a rush linebacker which is unfortunate because Crichton is an animal.
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    I helped build this website and then destroyed it with my own two hands. The reason you post in these ruins here today is because of years of my blood, sweat and tears.

    My partner leisure and I made history in 2006 and held the first live 32 man mock draft radio show in history. I am James Madison and you are a confederate peasant. No man can touch me but if you play your cards right you might just earn my respect like fine men such as RipTheJacker, IAD, BDH and now 909 have.

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    How bout you share some of your all knowing knowledge rather than just berating random people over the internet...
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    Hey LBC I will be fair to you we'll see if you can pass the MTL test. Answer the following 10 questions and I will let you know if you passed or not-




    #1. Who is the most talented all around cover safety in this class?

    #2. Do you think Allen Robinson will be a successful NFL player?

    #3. Which running back has the best vision and patience following his blocks in this class?

    #4. Do you think A.J. McCarron is an NFL starter?

    #5. Name the current NFL quarterback Blake Bortles most closely resembles and why.

    #6. Where would you draft Kadeem Carey?

    #7. Name the three best scatbacks in the draft.

    #8. What are your views on Anthony Barr?

    #9. Who would you rather have, Derek Carr or Jimmy Garoppolo?

    #10. Name your 5 most overrated players


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    Just curious, what does this have anything to do with the chargers draft. Theres plenty of guys in this class, who are very solid DE prospects, that may not transition very well to OLB. Ealy (though his combine agility tests are insane, may lead to a team giving him a shot if they like him) and Crichton are two of them. We desperately need a threat off the edge, and Ford would give that to us, even if he only ends up being a specialist. IMO he's a more consistent version of Barnes (who other than his one 11 sack season hasn't really put up huge numbers but has threatened off the edge) right away if nothing else. While it wouldn't be the best pick, and i'd prefer a few people over him, but he could definitely help this defense out. Just depends on who's taken.
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    Your past is unknown to me.

    The tool that you are behaving like in the present suggests that I should not desire your approval.
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    Ealy is crap, Crichton is legit.

    Regardless of how desperately we need help off the edge, that is no reason for drafting someone. You draft BPA bottom line..... Dee Ford cannot defend the run and cannot cover. Kyle Van Noy was just as good pressuring the QB as Ford was and is lightyears ahead of him in coverage and in run defense especially backside pursuit and block shedding. Who did NE have in that 3-4 during their superbowl runs on the edges? They had no pure speed rushers, just guys who would dominate the run and provide a solid effort based rush in 3rd and long situations. Having Dee Ford in the lineup would allow teams to put themselves in manageable conversion situations. The key to having a successful pass rush is having a successful run defense. I don't want Ford at 25 and I don't want another midget DB to add to midget Weddle and midget Steve Williams. Eventually you just can't keep going so small.
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    I'm not to high on Ealy either, but i think he could be solid as a DE.

    But NE also had one of the best schematic coaches of all time running they're defense. Not to add the elite players like Seymour, McGinnest, Law, as well as Vrable and Bruschi (who while i'm not sure they were elite, they were damn good in their own right). Van Noy is not nearly as good of a pass rusher IMO as Ford, especially in terms of speed of the edge.

    Sure you can succeed without a great pass rush, but it takes one HELL of a scheme, and a huge amount of talent on the rest of the defense to be physically dominant. To do that, we'd need an elite CB and an elite NT added to this defense, which isn't going to come easy or cheap.

    Who do you want at 25 then?
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    Lol... the guy who based his mock draft off of cbssports' rankings is here to shine the light on the truth for all of us to see with his amazing analysis!

    What a joke.
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    Gotta say, quite impressed with the speed of this DB class.

    What do you guys think of Jaylen Watkins? I know he's not as good as his bro Sammy, but I thought he ran well and lifted well too. Does anyone think he could be a good rotation player, maybe covering the slot receivers? He certainly did better than his Florida team-mates Roberson & Purifoy.

    Is it also fair to say Justin Gilbert made himself a few dollars?
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    Carry on.
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    I think you meant to say that Van Noy is not nearly as good of a pass rusher as Ford ONLY in terms of speed off the edge. Defense isn't about just rushing the passer. Give me a complete player over a one trick pony any day. None of you were talking about Dee Ford coming into this season. Kyle Van Noy has been leading a BYU defense which over the past 3 years has ranked extremely high in CFB in red zone defense, turnover defense, 3rd down conv. % defense, pass efficiency defense and run defense.
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    I've learned to deal with your kind over the years. Give it 3-4 years and you will respect me like the football god I am just like everyone else has.

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