2008 salaries 1. Greg Maddux 10,000,000 2. Brian Giles 9,666,666 3. Jim Edmonds 8,000,000 4. Trevor Hoffman 7,500,000 5. Jake Peavy 6,500,000 6. Randy Wolf 4,750,000 7. Khalil Greene 4,500,000 8. Tadahito Iguchi 3,850,000 9. Michael Barrett 3,500,000 10. Chris Young 2,625,000 11. Josh Bard 2,237,500 12. Mark Prior 1,000,000 Bad trades? Who did we get for Xavier Nady???
Even Edmonds wasn't necessarily a bad trade since it was a marginal A prospect, granted it hasn't turned out as well as we would've liked. Nady gave us two years of Cameron which was crucial to us and Giles has been important to us winning over the last few years
just found this about that David Freese Acquired by the St. Louis Cardinals in the offseason, in a trade that sent outfielder Jim Edmonds and $2 million to the Padres, David Freese skipped playing Double-A ball and reported directly to Triple-A Memphis to start the 2008 campaign. Eighteen games into the season, Freese is leading his team in several offensive categories and playing solid defense.
Bad trades Oliver Perez and Jason Bay for Brian Giles David Freese for Jim Edmonds Woody Williams for Ray Lankford Mark Loretta for Doug Mirabelli* Good trades Andy Sheets for Phil Nevin Akinori Osuka, Adam Eaton, and George Killian for Chris Young, Adrian Gonzalez, and Termell Sledge Doug Mirabelli for Josh Bard and Cla Meredith* Josh Barfield for Kevin Kouzmanoff Xavier Nady for Mike Cameron Ben Johnson and John Adkins for Heath Bell and Royce Ring Trades that look good on the surface, but are still up in the air Scott Linebrink for Will Inman, Joe Thatcher, and Steve Garrison I'll add to this list if I think of more. * - these trades can be looked at as Loretta for Cla and Bard in the end, which looked pretty even last year but not so much this year.
Good info, thx I'm not sure about Nady/Cameron. neither one is on our team so how can it be a good trade? I know its tough to measure good or bad trades, I just wish I could see a plan by the FO other than money saving :icon_sad:
Phil Nevin isn't on our team anymore either, but Andy Sheets for Nevin was still a steal. Cameron gave us two good seasons while Nady struggled for the Mets then was dealt to Pittsburgh, therefore it was a good trade.
The plan is an attempt to rebuild what was once a horrible farm system (vital to a small market team's chance at success) while trying to remain in contention (as opposed to going to full out rebuilding mode.) A plan that was actually working fairly well up until this year.
its weird that somehow all the wheels came off the bus all at once. I stll think this is a good pitching staff and remains a good bullpen. I even think we have players who can hit and play well (Kouz, AGon, Greene maybe, Hairston (in limited duty)) and we do have some guys who I think will play well soon (LeBlanc, Geer, Antonelli, Venerable, Headley). its just a tough stretch
The Pads need to do what the Rockies and Snakes did, FULL rebuild mode. And Ant, I disagree, the wheels didn't suddenly come off. They've been wearing off slowly since the end of 06. It's just glaringly obvious right now cause these guys don't hjave anything left, not even Peavy's awesomeness can rescue them right now. Jake deserves so much better.
I guess, but then why make trades for an Edmonds and sign a guy like Prior? If for no other reason than to field a mediocre team? Which I contend is the all Moores really cares about. Right, but going back to the "the plan" then why give up on him? We also got rid of Oliver Perez in that deal didn't we?
Edmonds wsan't plan A (or even B) and they were hoping he'd recover from the injury and be a good CFer. Obviously using the benefit of our 20/20 hindsight we know that the gamble didn't pay off, but that was the intent. Prior is/was a low risk gamble and nothing more. He isn't costing the team much and if he recovers from his injury they have another dominant pitcher. If he doesn't, they're out a couple mil. And the notion that Moores only cares about fielding a mediocre team is silly. Moores wants to make money. Moores knows his team won't make money if they suck, therefore Moores wants to field a winner just as much as you and I do, even if his reasoning may be different. We didn't just arbitrarily give up on Mike Cameron. They tried to resign him. They started trying at the beginning of 2006. The two sides just couldn't come to an agreement and then Cameron just said screw it and went elsewhere. There's no telling what caused the talks to break down, but it's not like they just let him go because they arbitrarily decided they didn't need him anymore and that Edmonds would be a better option. Scroll up to my list of trades. Oliver Perez was in the Brian Giles trade in 2003. The only person we gave up for Cameron was Nady.
but but but ---- rephrasing my original point, Moores makes money with a mediocre team, why strive for anything more?
Because he makes a hell of a lot more money with a winning team. Successful business men don't become successful by settling for the lesser profit. Granted I can't pretend to know what John Moores' actual intentions are (anymore than you can...) but I'd be willing to bet he wants a winning team just as much as us fans because a winning team gives him the most money.
It doesn't appear as if they tried real hard to sign him since they never even made him a contract offer. I'm sure this was due to the time's absolute obsession with the moneyball approach and Cameron's high number of strike outs as well as the suspension.
JM is BS!! All he has done is put mediocure on the field since the opening of Petco. Dont bring up division titles, I dont think there is a padre fan bragging about that. I told you all the padres are gunna be awful. But you all thought otherwise. We should of brought up what talent we have in the minors and stop worrying about the pressure it would take on being in the majors. JM is a chump. The padres will never win a championship as long as he has this team tied up with old schoolers and garbage players.
8 million for a washed up player? Plus the player we gave up is doing well? Yeah, thats a bad trade and another young prospect castoff by Towers.
Exactly! Make the team good enough to make the fans show up and they do for some reason. Its costs too much to go to a ballgame anymore. Last time i was there i sat in right friggin field inside the foul pole and those seats were like $36 bucks. He cares about profit, not fielding a championship team.
