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Ridiculously early mock draft

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by DenverBolt67, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. DenverBolt67
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    http://walterfootball.com/draft2014.php

    #1- San Diego Chargers: Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
    #2- San Diego Chargers: Trent Murphy, DE/OLB, Stanford
    #3- San Diego Chargers: Taylor Hart, DE/DT, Oregon

    I know nothing about these players, but figured i'd see if anyone had thoughts
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    Seeing how Trent Murphy leads the FBS in sacks, there has never been a player who has lead the FBS in sacks that year not taken in the 1st round, don't know where I read it but it intrigued me. If he continues, hard to see him slip to the 2nd.

    I think we do need an OLB more than anything. We need a consistent pass rush. With JJ and Freeney most likely returning next year and being their final years, if we can get a pure pass rush specialist to rotate/back up Freeney in the 1st 2 rounds we'd have a nice blend of vets and young OLBs. Ingram is not a pure pass rusher, he never was. He got most of his sacks in college by being move around and on stunts. He's a versatile player and will never give up on a play. Pagano never moves his LBers around. Makes us very predictable.

    I think our DBs need a better push up front, period. Even Weddle has struggled this year. But, we also need a NT bad. We saw last year how well Liuget and Reyes played when our NT (Franklin) ate up OL. Reyes and Liuget, either or, we're left with 1 on 1's and they won a majority of the time. Last year we just lacked a pass rush and had very poor CB play from Jammer and Cason.

    Top 3 needs for me right now are NT, OLB, and CB. Possibly RB, OL and WR next up.
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    It was LBC talking about recently almost all of them have. Not that there hasn't ever been one....because DaQuan Bowers went in the 2nd after leading the nation in sacks a couple years ago.

    I'm not entirely sold on any of the CB's this year. All of them have a lot of questions. I dont like Gilbert in the first, maybe in the 2nd but not the first.

    I dont think NT is a big need unless we have the potential to get Luis Nix, or an elite guy like that.

    I'm all over Pass rush, CB and OG's this year as our top needs.
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    I'd take a long look at Ryan Carruthers from Arkansas St (early) or Zach Kerr from Delaware (late) on Day 3 and Daquan Jones from Penn St in day 2, both guys would definitely be viable NT candidates. Nix is definitely the elite if he comes out but at the same time one of these three should be able to handle it.

    This might be the best CB draft ever, there are so many good corners coming out and the depth is absolutely fantastic. I personally like Dennard from MSU better but Gilbert has the athleticism and the ball hawking ability to be really amazing. You couldn't go wrong with any of those guys
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    Daquan Jones isn't a NT, he's not that great at the POA and is a penetrater more than anything. Carruthers intrigues me as a project, and i haven't seen much on Kerr.

    I'm just not as sold on any of the CB's as you are, but that said, i dont see a huge dropoff between the CB's in the top 3 rounds, other than Roby, who has a mix of athleticism and aggressiveness that nobody can match.
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    There seems to be a lot of discussion explaining that improving the strength at NT would automatically improve the existing secondary unit. The logic seems sound to me to the point that I can see the value of a NT as first pick (hopefully Nix will still be there). From there I see dumping Cox and going hard after a guy like Sam Shields in FA and a solid CB prospect in the later rounds, given the CB depth this year.

    There's also talk about Linval Joseph or perhaps Paul Soliai as possible FA targets, although even if we have a shot at them (or take one) I'm not sure how they'll slot into a 3-4. If that's a possibility, that does free up the first pick for an OT. Personally I think that would be a solid choice at improving a band aided weakness still a big concern with this team.

    I'm not sure what the plan would be if Nix was gone and we couldn't upgrade NT via FA though. I don't think reaching back for McCullers would be wise... Thoughts?

    From there we could go pass rush OLB BPA, CB, WR, S and possibly OG later in the draft.
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    Gilbert is Antoine Cason with better hands - that's really it. He's getting overrated by the people that laud DB's solely off of takeaways and ignore the primary aspect of their position: Which is to, you know, cover receivers. Gilbert is limited athletically, has gotten burned more than any other 1st-round-mentioned CB prospect in this class... and that's playing with a 5-7 yard cushion on most plays, can't press, struggles getting off blocks in run defense, and has pretty shoddy tackling technique.

    Murphy's not lasting to the mid-2nd unless he gets injured between now and the draft.
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    Thank you. The slow build up of hype around Gilbert has been a little bit mystifying.

    I see the CB value this year as being highest in the 2nd this year, outside of Dennard. If Fuller was available in round 2, that would be a pretty ideal situation.
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    So here's my mock draft, still way too early, but I'd like to see this for the Chargers.

    1. DL, Arizona State, Will Sutton
    2. SS, Washington State, Deone Buchanon
    3. OLB, Texas, Jackson Jeffcoat
    4. C, Utah State, Tyler Larsen
    5. WR, Missouri, L'Damian Washington
    6. CB, Rice, Phillip Gaines
    7. NT, Oregon, Ricky Havili-Heimuli
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    Sutton is an interesting idea, but I don't hate it. He isn't a prototype at any of our 3 DL positions, but he's talented and disruptive. Could possibly mold into a Wade Phillips style NT, and would definitely be a nickel package pocket collapser.

    I'm not in favor of taking a safety from this class, but I believe we've been over that. Assuming you're expecting a FA corner going along with that scenario? Nice mock.
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    Sutton works for many reasons. I think we can actually trade back towards the end of the 1st and still get him and acquire another pick. He plays all over the DL, his very disruptive, like you said with his bursting swim move. Times the snap so well too. If we can't lock up Reyes or Liuget in back to back years, he can be a successor there, but I'd like to see him as a NT. He's not the tallest, but I actually think that will give him more leverage as a NT because he is built so wide in his lower body.

    Yes, I have us cutting Cox and signing another FA at CB. The CB pool in FA is so deep its quite ridiculous. But, I love some safeties in this draft, Buccanon reminds me of Jarius Byrd. Through 9 games he accounted for 10 turnovers. 5 INTs, 3 forced fumbles and 2 fumble recoveries. Through his 12 games he had 109 tackles. The guy has a nose for the ball. He might not fall to us in the 2nd though. This allows Gilchrist to play more nickel CB and also as a LCB.
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    IF we went the safety route, Buccanon is the best outside of Dix. I will grant that. Wouldn't make me mad, but I just see a weak class forcing sub-par prospects up the board as needy teams reach.

    Sam Shields is my corner of choice if we decide to spend big there in FA (though I think it would be wiser to spend on a NT).

    Sutton is widely misunderstood. He's typically regarded as a guy who wins with an initial burst through a gap. And while he does have a great get off and good snap timing, his real strength is in his hands. He initiates contact, jars the opponent, and then discards them on his way to the ball carrier. Very underrated skill set out of him. And yes, his height is fine inside. But the question is how much bigger/stronger can he get, and will he be able to hold up at the 0 or shade spot against the run. Will depend heavily on DL approach.
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    Yes Sam Shields is a great option at CB, though I wouldn't mind Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, steal him from Denver since they like to poach our FAs, on a 3 year/$15M contract. DRC has played well for Denver at times, despite having no safety help. Chris Harris is another one from Denver I like though he's a RFA.

    Only problem with Sutton is, once an OL gets hands on him, he has a tough time disengaging especially in the run game. This is a great blog breaking Sutton down.

    http://filmroomjunkie.blogspot.com/2013/12/is-will-sutton-worth-1st-round-pick.html
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    A little bit of a non-issue for me since he's so much better at getting his hands into OL than they are at getting into him.

    DRC wouldn't be a bad idea, but we'd have to commit to using him in man coverage. Because he's been disastrous outside of it over his career.
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    Mock Draft 2.0 for me lol

    With Vic Beasley not declaring, tough to say what will do now. Even at 25 he wasn't a lock to be there but no not declaring has changed somethings.

    Sign: WR Emmanuel Sanders, WR Andre Caldwell, NT Antonio Johnson, ILB Wesley Woodyard
    Re-Sign: DX, DB, Chad Rinehart, Darrell Stuckey

    1. CB, Ohio State, Bradley Roby - Athletic, loves to play tight coverage, just a baller.
    2. OLB, Mizzou, Michael Sam - Quick off the snap, array of pass rush moves.
    3. OT, Miami, Seantrel Henderson - Fluker 2.0 (terms of size) with more athleticism.
    4. NT, Cal, Deandre Coleman - Mammoth of a man, nice run stuffer here. Versatile.
    5. OLB, USF, Aaron Lynch - Great measurables; potential. Needs to be coached and groomed.
    6. RB, Miss St, Ladarius Perkins - Telesco will see a lot of Vic Ballard in Perk, who he scouted.
    7. WR, Vandy, Chris Boyd - Intriguing prospect. Great measurables, 6'4, 205 and will run a 4.4, has a good set of hands on him as well.
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    I like a lot of the same players as you do, but Timmy Jernigan in the 2nd seems like a pipe dream.
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    Yeah he'll go top 50, we're picking 53 I think, hoping he slides.
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    Here's what i'm hoping for...

    Free Agents: Jason Worldis; Pat Sims (Resign Butler, Marshall, Rinehart, DAX (no guaranteed money, small contract))

    1st: Timmy Jernigan NT, FSU (Signing a run stuffer like Sims and then drafting Jernigan to develop into a 1 Gap NT is a good strategy IMO.

    2nd: Zach Martin/David Yankey OG, Notre Dame/Stanford (We need some help inside on the OL. I'm not a big fan of Troutman as a starter, and if we bring back Rinehard, these guys wout be good scheme fits, Martin with the added potential of maybe turning into a C down the road.)

    3rd: EJ Gaines/Terrance Mitchell CB, Mizzou/Oregon (Both very instinctual CB's who are good zone corners who can play well in off man as well. Neither guy probably ends up being a star, but they will both be solid corners, which is exactly what we need IMO, especially with us playing so much soft zone/off man)

    4th: Marcus Smith/Aaron Lynch Pass Rush, Lousville/USF (May not get to here, but both these guys have HUGE potentials as pass rushers, and are guys who could potentially contribute as pass rush specialists their first year, and develop into a starter)

    5th: Justin Britt OT, Mizzou (He's a solid depth at OT, big guy with quick feet and athletic, fits what Joe D usually looks for in an OT. Not sure we need a guy like him here, if Joe D trusts what he sees in Harris/Becton or even some of the other guys, but for now, i'll be safe and give us a OT here)

    6th: Storm Johnson RB, UCF (You could name about 10 other RB's to go here as well, but i'm really interested in how Storm turns out. Huge potential and i think could do the job that Ronnie Brown does for us no problem)

    7th: Brett Urban DE, Virginia (REALLY like what he brings to the table as a backup DE for us, wont wow you with physical ability, but just keps going and plays with very good pad level against the run. Good rotational depth from a late round pick.)
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    I think before its all said and done Timmy Jernigan is going to go in the top 15. IMO.
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    That's an overly ambitious bit of free agency - even with what Telescopo managed to pull off on limited funds last season. I can't see them sacrificing the nest egg that is the sizable jump in available cap space we'll have in 2015 - particularly given that we'll have more of our own up for extensions (Liuget, Mathews - if he continues to develop, Gilchrist/Wright - at least one should be retained and should command at least mid-level starters money).

    Odds on favorites, if I'm calling them now (pre-combine) for us in the 1st round would be Murphy (if he's still on the board), Barr (I doubt he falls, but I actually don't think it's as unconceivable as some others do that he falls out of the Top 10 at least - currently putting together an article for DraftChargers to this topic), Roby, Verrett, or - if Telesco is particularly ballsy - Joyner.

    This is a coaching staff and front office that seems to have a major Jones for "football player" types - so I can see guys like Murphy, Verrett, Van Noy, Martin (Zack), Gaines, and Quarles (obviously not all are going to get 1st round consideration) having the character/work ethic/demeanor our FO would covet.
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    We could trade out of first as well.
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    Just the fact Telesco came out and said he wants more speed on offense. I agree 100 %. Emmanuel Sanders will get Eddie Royal money I believe, maybe a little more. I think its affordable if we take the correct steps to cap relief -- Cut Clary and others, Extend Rivers similar to what the Patriots did with Brady last year, restructure both Gates and Weddle, etc.

    I don't like Trent Murphy that much. He's not athletic enough for me. I feel like Michael Sam is a better fit, has an array of pass rush moves and could benefit from Freeney, thats who he reminds me of in terms of size and speed. He's more Elvis Dumervil I think though.

    I think Joe D bangs the table for Seantrel Henderson. The guy is just a freak, he can play LT or RT and kick in at G.
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    Bradly Roby, CB, Ohio St.
    Marcus Smith OLB Louisiana
    James Hurst OT NC

    Are my top 3 round selectons
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    I like roby and hurst.. but smith not so much. Rather have michael sam
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    Michael Sam is probably the best 2nd round pick at OLB unless someone drops. He's almost a tweener, but looks the part of a 3-4 OLB. Just reminds me of Elvis Dumervil and Dwight Freeney mix.
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    Love the mock, don't love the FAs.
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    Emmanuel Sanders could be a baller in this offense. Andre Caldwell is someone familiar with McCoy and same with him, has a whole lot of speed and can play the slot spot and also on specials teams. I'd like to have a look at him because he could compete with Royal in camp.

    Woodyard is a player Telesco would like. Guy lost his starting spot, and continued to captain and coach Danny Trevathan. He's totally unselfish, and he's someone that could be valuable in a locker room if we lose guys like Hardwick, Floyd, Johnson, etc. He plays specials teams well, and is better than Bront Bird and Andrew Gachkar at ILB. We need someone who can step in a play well enough not to hurt our defense.

    And Antonio Johnson is someone Telesco brought in for a try out and maybe should of signed because he is one of the best DL in this free agent class in 2013. Had a very good season with Tennessee.
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