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San Diego Chargers' Monday night meltdown: Who's to blame?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by SDRaiderH8er, Oct 17, 2012.

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    All to blame including ownership.

    AJ - For only having a UDFA available to protect Rivers. Thinking Meachem is a #1 WR.
    Norv - Play calling
    Rivers - Back to his INT ways.
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    to wrap it all up, yes it goes to Spanos. Then AJ, then Norv, then Rivers. It was a total team effort Monday Night.
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    Please change all of this I'm almost 60 years old.. Crap let me die happy!:tup:
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    Agree with all this. good comments.
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    Agree with you on only 2 of the 3 - AJ has tried throughout the years to protect Philip’s blind side, 1st with Marcus McNeill, even signing him to a nearly $50 million contract after his holdout. When it was obvious that he was done (a few teams kicked his tires after we released him, but not surprisingly, no one signed him so he “retired” in August) AJ acquired & resigned Jared Gaither after his impressive performance to close out last season. It’s not AJ’s fault that once these 2 extremely large mammals got their financial security after having performed terrifically, then all of a sudden nagging injuries started popping up and they both began missing games. It’s not as if talented left tackles are there for the taking, if they are out there, they are usually on someone’s 53 man roster.
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    Yes, but other than Hardwick he's got scrubs in the other 3 slots (and on the bench), the worst being the human turnstile that is Clary. IIRC MM is the only OL he's taken in the first round in his entire tenure as GM. That is unacceptable, and you get what you pay for. Only a fool buys cheap beef then wonders why they got sick.
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    Um... Lancer, hate to break it to you but the propensity for injury of both McNeill and Gaither was well known by AJ well prior to acquiring either. The entire reason McNeill fell in that draft class (a class severally shallow on pro-caliber LT's) was because he had spinal stenosis (a degenerative condition that was incurable); this wasn't a case of all of a sudden nagging injuries started popping up after he got paid, the risk was known and present when we drafted him. Gaither too, missed time dating all the way back to when he was in his third season with Baltimore with back problems, it's part of the reason why the Ravens weren't willing to give him the mondo contract he was seeking (because he had consistently missed games for injury), it's why he rarely made a contribution while on the Chiefs' roster.

    However, AJ can be blamed for making no effort, absolutely none (you can feel free to count the number of OT's we've drafted since Clary because it's a big fat zero), to upgrade or push the worthless other edge-protector in Jeromey Clary. Anyone watching game tape cannot possibly arrive at the conclusion that this man is starting quality and yet, we refuse to even give him capable competition to push him. Yes, Rivers has a legitimate gripe that adequate resources have not been devoted to protecting him. Aside from the LT position and Nick Hardwick, we back up our mid-round starting linemen with undrafted and street-scrub players. This is not continuity of the "line 'em up three deep and let them battle it out for the pecking order" line we were fed so many years ago as being the philosophy of this front office. None of our starting linemen have been adequately "challenged" by anyone in any of their tenures with the team (the best case you could make was Mruczkowski behind Hardwick and even then when healthy Nick was a notably superior player).
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    MM was in the 2nd. But yes, that's it. He's spent a 2nd on MM. 3rd's on Hardwick, Vasquez, and Greene. A 5th on Wesley Britt. 6th's on Wes Sims, Clary, and Troutman. And a 7th's on Shane Olivea, Scott Mruczkowski, and Corey Clark.

    That's been it. Everyone else was either drafted by Butler or was a UDFA.
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    Thanks for the clear up. :tup:
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    Who's to blame ?

    Simple ..........Gooey attended the game, end of story, little Mai Thai midget wrestler is a jinx, enough said.
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    The blame for Philip Rivers' performance falls on Rivers. Ostensibly, he should've audibled to a run on every one of those plays, knowing that his line is **** and that his receiving options are all at best slightly above average in terms of overall talent and are currently performing below average across the board.

    The blame for Rivers not feeling comfortable audible-ing (<<<<How should this be spelled?) and for our passing attack being garbage lies with Norv Turner for refusing to let Rivers call his own plays at the line after SIX YEARS as the starting QB, and failing to adapt his offense to the strengths of our receivers (not that they have many) and the limitations of our offensive line (which are seemingly boundless).

    The blame for the lack of talent across the offense at the skill positions (other than RB) and on the line lies with Smitty and Norv. Smitty for drafting poorly (schematically and the actual choices) over his tenure, and Norv for having a coaching staff which can't develop players. The only units on this team that aren't a complete abomination in terms of drafted players being developed is at the WR position (Our last 3 in-house receivers who had any talent at all, Floyd, Brown, and Jackson were all rather well refined by Joiner) and at the LBer position.

    I think that we were absolutely devastated by the loss of Brown, and that our FA WR acquisitions are not measuring up to the cap dollars we "saved" by acquiring them, especially Royal. Meachem would be about as far behind reasonable expectations as Royal is were it not for his 3 catch, 67 yd, 2 TD night against NO.
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    Clary sux!!! This O-Line is the worst in the league:(
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    I dont know, I think they are tied for the worst with cleveland...
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    Cleveland at least has 1 quality lineman.
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    The organization wins & loses as a team. Fingerpointing & scapegoating may help to salve your individual angst, but it won't right the ship.
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    I saw someone mention Jake Long is out of contract at year end and the Dolphins drafted a Tackle high this year. Wonder what it would take to bring Jake Long to SD and have him and Gaither be the Tackles (provided Gaither is fit). We should then draft Tackle high in the 2013 draft and have that guy play RT (or maybe Harris can play there). Either way we need to be rid of Clary asap.

    I'm hopeful Troutman can come in and win one of the Guard spots. Vasquez is bigtime underachieving imho.
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    Quite right.
    Besides, we all know it was your fault for not wearing your bolt undies!
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    Sadly, as crappy as ours has performed, it's still not the worst in the league. Have you seen Arizona play? We're right in the same boat as St. Louis right now. We have one good-not-great (certainly not as great as he once was) player on the line, one guy it's difficult to get any kind of decent evaluation on because he's playing out of position, one guy who is complete crap in every way imaginable, one guy who has all the tools to succeed and just doesn't seem to care, and one guy who would be the best guy we've got on the line if he was ever healthy.

    I'm half tempted to say, because I think Mathews could play behind either type of blocking scheme, that it might be in our best interest at some point to just blow up the entire line and start over with a zone-concept - as it might extend Hardwick's longevity and at the very least play to Molk's strengths for when he does take over. Mathew's has the kind of vision that if a combo-blocking line can get him the initial hole to get through cleanly he can make guys miss, where he's getting killed is that he's getting contacted at or behind the LOS consistently by either a LB or the stray hand of a blocked DL to slow him down enough for a LB to get there.

    Then again, I may just be wanting to see a zone-blocking scheme because there is no way that Clary can function in it, so it all but assures he's relegated to the bench at absolute best.
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