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    After watching film of both teams, Scouts Inc. breaks down key elements of the Week 6 Broncos-Chargers matchup.

    Broncos still a work in progress: This Peyton Manning-led offense gets better each week as it improves chemistry, and the same thing goes for Denver's defense. There is not a deep element to Denver's passing game and all of Manning's routes are short to intermediate with a lot of bubble screens designed to get yards after catch. When the run game is going well, it sets up a nice play-action package. Defensively, the Broncos show a lot of pre-snap movement to confuse QBs and they are changing up their coverages on the back end. Chargers QB Philip Rivers will have to be very solid in his pre-snap reads. The Chargers will try to confuse Manning with some pre-snap movement and changing coverage looks of their own.
    This is not the Chargers' passing game we are used to seeing: In the past this has been a vertical passing attack with a lot of seam routes and big shots, but defenses are taking the deep ball away and Rivers is taking what the defense gives him. He is dumping off the ball to his backs, as Ryan Mathews and Ronnie Brown combined for 11 receptions and 106 yards versus New Orleans in Week 5. Before last Sunday, the Chargers were not getting a lot out of their edge passing game, but with Malcom Floyd playing well and Robert Meachem finally coming around, defenses have to honor those outside routes, and that opens up the middle, where TE Antonio Gates loves to work.
    Third down is a key: San Diego's offense is in the top third of the NFL in third-down conversions while Denver's defense is in the bottom third at getting off the field on third down, which was a huge problem in Week 5 at New England. The more San Diego can convert on third down to keep drives alive, the fewer possessions Manning will have. Rivers should continue to show patience and not force the deep ball on early downs, and if his run game is working, it will set up nice play-action opportunities, especially on third down. Denver's defense needs to be really good on first and second down to force Rivers into predictable third-and-long situations.
    Home QB: Rivers has terrific skills, and after a 2011 season in which he forced the ball, made bad decisions and tried to do too much, he is much more settled in 2012. He has excellent touch and accuracy and is terrific at recognizing defenses and reading his progressions. Denver defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio will use a lot of pre-snap movement to try to confuse Rivers and force some mistakes, but Rivers really works hard to prepare for a defense. This will be an interesting chess match between Del Rio and Rivers.
    Away QB: Manning is really starting to get into a groove with his receivers, and this timing pass offense is clicking. We don't see a lot of vertical throws and velocity on his passes, but he is very effective on short routes such as bubble screens, curls, outs, etc. He will work out of the shotgun at times with some no-huddle looks and will continue to make pre-snap adjustments to exploit the Chargers' defense. His receivers must be on the same page in sight adjustments. He will involve his backs and TEs in the passing game and is taking fewer chances than he was earlier in the season.
    Key positional battle -- San Diego OTs Jared Gaither and Jeromey Clary vs. Denver edge pass-rushers Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil: These offensive tackles have great size, but they do not match the athleticism of this Broncos edge pass-rush duo. Gaither and Clary are both wall-off guys with long wing spans and and good hands, but Dumervil and Miller will try to rush wide and get the slower OTs in space where they can also be beaten by double moves. Gaither hurt his groin versus New Orleans and was really struggling at the end of the game, so that is something to watch.
    Featured player: Mathews has had a roller-coaster 2012 season, partly because of injuries and partly because of a pattern of fumbles, but when he is in sync this offense has a totally different look. Although he has shared time with Jackie Battle and Brown, Mathews has much more explosiveness and big-play ability than the other two guys, both in the running and passing games. Denver has struggled to get off the field on third down and its gap discipline has been up and down. San Diego would love to control the flow of the game with a clock-eating run game to keep Manning and the Broncos' offense on the sideline.
    Film room nuggets: Miller earns his paycheck as a pass-rusher, but the coaches would like him to be a little more involved in coverage. So far he has been inconsistent in that area. … San Diego's defense is really thin at corner, which is not good news when you are getting ready to play Manning and his spread offense. … When you study Denver CB Champ Bailey on film you really start to appreciate his skill set. He has the physicality to cover a tight end, he can line up wide and take on the best wideout without help, he can play inside over the slot, and he can play man or zone. His instincts and ball skills are off the charts, and he can be effective as a blitzer.

    Prediction
    [​IMG] San Diego 27
    Denver 24

    Although Denver is getting better each week, the Chargers will steal this game with offensive balance and just enough of a run game to keep Peyton Manning off the field.
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    Not gonna lie im petrified of Demaryius Thomas in this one.. i can just see it now :(
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    Interesting that they have a lot of similar problems to last year's Chargers. Too many turnovers and 3rd down issues. They've looked scary in the 4th quarter though, so if they're within 14 going into the 4th I'm gonna be nervous. Not sure how serious Thomas' issues are, but if he's hobbled, that gives the Chargers secondary a leg up.
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    What concerns me is the running game (Willis McGahee) and the duo of Dumerville and Miller. I think the other parts are decent, and their passing game is better than last year, but if we can't stop those two areas we are in deep trouble
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    Almost the same exact offense Peyton ran in Indy has been implemented in Denver. Just with different players. He had Dallas Clark in Indy, does not have that in Denver, although Tamme is playing well. He didn't have a strong 2nd receiver in Decker though.

    Also, McGahee has had fumbling issues. We've already forced 7 fumbles. Denver doesn't have the best o-line either. We can get to Manning and force him to throw balls where he doesn't want to.

    I think Chargers take this one at home..
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    As long as EmDiggy picks the Donkeys in this one, we should be good.
    Keep that lucky streak going...
    By the way, will the Power Blues have the lame fat white Nike collars?
    I wish those were the permanent home jerseys sans fat Nike collars.
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    They sure do, they also have the 4 bands of lame looking reflective material on the front collar.
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    This game is going to be about our pass rush and theirs. Whichever rush causes more QB errors is going to win the game.
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    Given the condition of our OL, that ain't good.
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    MOAR INGRAM :abq2:
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    for us to win this game, Norv needs to stop abandoning the run when we have a lead in the 3rd quarter. Mathews to only have 12 carries in the Saints game even when we had a lead is just plain idiocy
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    DEFENSE, it makes the difference!!!!!
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    I agree, play defense and RUN the ball!

    Von Miller is a TERRIBLE run defender, although he's gotten a bit better. Last year he opened up the holes for running backs just because he thought he could get into the backfield every single time.

    I want Mathews to get 16-17 carries, and Battle to get atleast 8-9. I'm pretty sure Mathews is already the starter again. That's about 25 carries for both, is that too hard to ask for? 25 carries for our running backs?!
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    Even when we have the lead Norv panics and bails on the run, so I wouldn't count on it.
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    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...ght-the-ship-makes-week-6-huge-for-some-teams
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    BRONCOS
    Philip Rivers looks to beat yet another Broncos defensive coordinator

    POSTED: 10/13/2012 12:01:00 AM MDT

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    San Diego Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers has beaten each of the Broncos' previous six defensive coordinators at least once. (Reuters file)
    Another defensive coordinator tries to stymie Rivers
    In Philip Rivers' seventh year as the Chargers starting quarterback, Jack Del Rio will be seventh defensive coordinator for the Broncos to try to slow him down.
    Rivers had at least one win against each of the previous six and had two wins in season sweeps in 2010 (Don Martindale), 2007 (Jim Bates) and 2006 (Larry Coyer). Over those previous six years, the Broncos have tried a variety of things, including 3-4 looks on defense, 4-3 looks, aggressive rush packages and dropping more players into coverage.
    "(Chargers coach) Norv (Turner) is probably one of the better offensive minds in this game," Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey said. "And then Philip has developed into one of the better quarterbacks in this game, and that combination in itself makes you dangerous on offense, so I don't care what you throw on them. It's not going to be new to them.
    "I don't expect him to go out there Monday and not make a few plays. ... We just have to limit them."
    Rivers is 9-3 as a starter against the Broncos and has 3,062 passing yards and 20 touchdowns.
    Line dance.The Broncos may have to make adjustments in the offensive line because of injuries.
    The first change, however, is good news if right guard Chris Kuper continues to do well. Kuper, who suffered a fractured bone in his left forearm in training camp, has participated fully in practice this week and is poised for his first game action of the season. But offensive tackle Ryan Clady suffered a hamstring injury in practice this week and did not take part in Friday's workout. Clady has not missed a start in his career — 71 consecutive regular-season games and two playoff games — and if he can't play, Chris Clark would likely take over at left tackle.
    "Anytime you don't practice, I'm concerned. He's day to day," Broncos coach John Fox said of Clady. "It was just a little tweak at practice."

    Get after it. Any shuffling in the Broncos' offensive line has the potential to be a trouble spot Monday night. Chargers defensive coordinator John Pagano, a Boulder native, has been aggressive in his rush schemes thus far this season, rotating a group of players in the team's defensive line and at linebacker.
    "We're doing a lot of good things. We're hitting the quarterback a lot more than we have been," Turner said.
    Shaun Phillips leads the Chargers in sacks with 4½.
    "They rotate a lot of bodies in the front seven at the linebacker, defensive line positions," Broncos offensive coordinator Mike McCoy said. "They're rolling guys in and staying fresh."
    First day. The Broncos got their first look at new returner Trindon Holliday, who was waived by the Texans this week. He took part in his first practice and is expected to return punts against the Chargers. He will get some consideration as a kickoff returner as well.
    Holliday's arrival was a case of good timing for the Broncos. The Broncos and Colts each put in a waiver claim on Holliday, but the Broncos were awarded him on the basis of their 2-3 record this season, compared to the Colts' 2-2 mark. Waiver claims are awarded on the basis of record, with the team with the lowest win total among those to claim a player getting the player.
    "We thought he was pretty good in preparation when we played against (the Texans)," Fox said.
    Footnotes. Cornerback Tony Carter (illness) did not practice Friday. For the Chargers, three regulars sat out: left tackle Jared Gaither (groin), kicker Nate Kaeding (groin) and wide receiver Eddie Royal (hamstring). ... Turner, on former CSU coach Steve Fairchild, now on the Chargers' staff as a senior offensive assistant: "Steve's a good coach. ... He's very involved on game day in terms of what we're doing and how we're attacking people, strategy and what we're trying to get done."
    Jeff Legwold, The Denver Post


    Ah jeez .... that Champ Bailey guy must be a real dumbass. :rolleyes:
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    Rivers stomped the Jaguars a few times while Del Rio was the HC.

    I think we'll get in the endzone 4 or 5 times....if Gaither plays, and plays well.
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    ^^^ Otherwise, we will have that Harris kid to look after our QB.
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    ....and we'll probably lose the most important game of the year. After watching him against Wimbley and Abraham, I have no faith that Harris can handle Dumervile and/or Von Miller.
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    We have a very inexperience O-line going against very good pass rushers. The best way I see fit for this game is for Norv to pound the ball with Battle which would give the O-line a chance to start as a 'group.' And Battle with his power running and straight ahead style should tire out the pass rusher just enough to get Mathews around the outside for a few long gains. I think it is important to remember that Denver is coming from a high altitude and their oxygen level and stamina is greater than the Chargers. So it is very important of Norv to tire them out early.
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    Farg....... doesn't look like we'll see either Gaither or Wright. :(

    Too bad about Nate. ;)
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