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Discussion in 'All Other Sports' started by in_a_days, Oct 4, 2008.

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    There are some awesome main events lined up for UFCs next few PPWs...

    UFC 91: Couture vs. Lesnar - November 15, 2008
    UFC 90: Silva vs. Côté - October 25, 2008
    UFC 89: Bisping vs. Leben - October 18, 2008

    complete list here

    Bisping is a cocky brit that has been dominant, but hasn't really faced top competition. Leben is a scappy mean white boy with an unbelievable chin. He's lost a couple fights, but is still young and improving. Should be an awesome fight.

    On the same card Keith Jardine vs. Brandon Vera should be ****ing awesome. Jardine is a stand up and throw fighter. He's really unpredictable... beat Chuck Liddell, lost to Houston Alexander (but Alexander is no chump). Brandon Vera is a tall and long San Diego boy. He's a muay thai and jiu jitsu specialist and loves to use his knees. He'll have a major reach advantage, but his ground game is vastly superior to Jardine's and he'll probably try to take the fight to the ground. I think Vera by submission is the likely outcome.

    Silva is the middleweight champ. That black guy that caught the white boy's leg and punched him in the face (knocking him out) like simultaneously. He's a beast. I don't think anybody in his weightclass stands a chance. Côté is heavy handed, but probably just the next guy Silva is going to beat.

    Lesnar is the giant white boy that used to be in the WWE. This will be only this third fight in the UFC and he's facing the heavyweight champion... Randy Couture is 45 years old and still, arguably, the best heavyweight in the UFC. He's big big guys before (see Tim Sylvia) and won, but he's giving up almost 40 pounds to the behemoth that is Brock Lesnar. It's been over a year since Couture's last fight and I think his time off will probably be about as big a factor as Lesnar's inexperience. This one could go either way.
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    I'm really interested in Lesnar - Couture (saw Lesnar wrestle both professional and his collegiate tapes, he did feats of strength that just baffled the mind) as well as Shamrock's match (was a big fan of his and even checked out his dojo when it was down here).
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    I'm not expecting much out of tonight's Shamrock/Kimbo fight... Kimbo is all CBS has for their fight promotion and if Shamrock stood a chance I don't think they'd make the fight. :unsure:
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    I think Shamrock might surprise Kimbo - the latter is too much of a brawler and a one dimensional fighter.
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    Kimbo got embarrassed by relative newcomer Seth Petruzelli. :lol:
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    I knew someone could take Slice I am the **** :yes:
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    Good call Ant. I don't really think there are any losers (except maybe CBS). Kimbo was never going to be an elite fighter... just got into MMA too late in his life. So I'm glad the charade is over and EliteXC isn't going to market this guy as a real star anymore.

    At the same time Kimbo has cashed a couple nice fat checks and never has to work another day for the rest of his life. Good for him. :yes:
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    Slice is still the face and is still a tough fighter but he has to learn to mix things up because he's gameplanned against pretty well nowadays. If he doesn't he's done. If he does he could still be something
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    I dunno ANT. They're going to have a tough time billing Kimbo as a main event draw after how he went down on Saturday. I know they're trying to appeal to people that aren't already MMA fans... but I'd rather see Andrei Arlovski headline than Kimbo.

    If Kimbo is still the face of EliteXC I don't think they're going to be around much longer. They need another big name with some credibility. Somebody like Tito Ortiz, or Tim Sylvia, or Vitor Belfort.
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    Did anyone watch the Silva fight? Seemed like he came off as kind of a jerk, toying with the guy for three rounds and injuring his knee when he could have taken him out in the first. I didn't particularly enjoy it but then again i guess it's still better than watching Kimbo "Still Believe I'm Not a Fraud?" Slice get knocked out by Seth Petruzelli
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    Yes the Silva fight was very very lame. Cote went down to a non contact injury... Is that better or worse than getting your *** kicked for 5 rounds? :icon_shrug:
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    I would have been amazed if he lasted 5. The point is that Silva was obviously a far superior fighter and he should have come at him and taken him out in the first. Would have at least been exciting rather than that 3 rounds of dancing that barely passed for fighting.
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    fedor is the best all around fighter i have ever seen in my life. that russian samba shi$ is killer. make him fight lesnar now.
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    To tell you the truth I'd rather see Lesnar get a title defense or two under his belt. He is still very raw in the cage and a couple more fights worth of experience will make a world of difference against a guy like Fedor who's got 30 fights on his resume. And if Lesnar can't hold the title against a Gabriel Gonzaga or Frank Mir he wouldn't stand a chance against Fedor anyways.
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    UFC Light Heavyweight - Ultimate Fighting Championships 92 - MGM Grand Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - December 27th Both must fight for action.

    Quinton Jackson +110
    Wanderlei Silva -140


    Interim UFC Light Heavyweight Championships - Ultimate Fighting Championships 92 - MGM Grand Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - December 27th Both must fight for action.

    Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira -350
    Frank Mir +275


    UFC Heavyweight Championship - Ultimate Fighting Championships 92 - MGM Grand Arena, Las Vegas, Nevada - December 27th Both must fight for action.
    Forrest Griffin -120
    Rashad Evans -110

    personally i really dont care for silva. if you can get in close i think that would actually take away those knees. jackson can do this. that +110 w/ quinton is the only ticket i would entertain here, i like griffin too but never really seen this evans character.

    days how about giving lesnar the winner of the nogueira mir fight?
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    Mir was unbelievable in the fight against Nogueira. After the fight Mir called Lesner out so I wouldn't be surprised to see them throw down next. If Lesner can beat Mir then I'd love to see him fight Fedor. But like you said Lesner definitely needs a couple title defenses before getting in the cage with Fedor.
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    Mir and Lesnar will fight to unite the heavyweight title so there's no confusion anymore. The crazy thing is, I think Lesnar might actually have a chance if he keeps improving the way he has been. I was very impressed with Mir vs Nogueira though. It's obvious Mir is back in his game and got out of that funk that he was in after his accident. Whoever wins, I predict a good fight!
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    Yes Mir v Nogueira was a fantastic fight. I have never seen a guy adopt the "boxing" style Mir was using in the fight. For most of the stand up Mir was in a southpaw stance, but he was throwing power uppercuts with his lead hand and using his left to throw like exploratory jabs from the backside. It was ****ing weird. But it got the job done, for sure.

    UFC 92 might have been the best over all fight card I've ever seen. If not it was top 3 for sure. Rampage Jackson over Silva was awesome. Evans' win after getting destroyed in the first round was awesome. I like Matt Hamill and it was cool to see him pick up another W.

    Great fights, awesome knockouts. Must see!

    I think Lesnar/Mir II will be fantastic. And I actually give the edge to Lesnar. Mir is a baller, to be sure, but Lesnar is just too god damn big. Lesnar had Mir badly bloodied up in their first fight and I think giving up the ankle was largely the result of being over-excited. Now that he's fought Mir once and faced some additional competition I don't think he's going to fall into the same trap again. And I don't think Mir can stand up with him. So if Lesnar can defend the arm-bar and the ankle lock... it's his fight. :yes:

    Now Lesnar v Fedor.... :icon_eek:

    We'll cross that bridge when we get there...
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    I heard something about Mir fighting in Vegas again in the spring, maybe April. Isn't it already scheduled? I also think it will be against Lesner.

    Go MIR... :icon_mrgreen:
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    UFC 93 is taking place RIGHT NOW in the UK. I think there's a real time PPV you can order, but the re-broadcast is tonight at 7PM PST.

    Main Card

    * Light Heavyweight bout: Rich Franklin vs. Dan Henderson
    * Light Heavyweight bout: Mark Coleman vs. Mauricio Rua
    * Middleweight bout: Jeremy Horn vs. Rousimar Palhares
    * Middleweight bout: Alan Belcher vs. Denis Kang
    * Welterweight bout: Marcus Davis vs. Chris Lytle

    Franklin v Henderson should be a war. If you take Anderson Silva out of the division these are the two best middleweights out there (and of course Silva destroyed both of 'em). If Henderson wins he'll probably get a Silva rematch. Franklin has already lost to Silva twice so he might just be a set up guy for the next poor bastard they make fight Silva. :lol:

    Coleman v Rua should be a cool fight too. Mauricio Rua was the golden boy of Pride when the UFC bought them out. But he lost his 1st UFC bout against Forrest Griffin which knocked him down a couple pegs. But this guy is young, incredibly talented, and could be the next big thing. Coleman is in his 40s and hasn't fought on this kind of stage in a couple years, but the guy has all the skills. Should be a good one. :yes:
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    Mir v. Nogueria was awesome but I thought the night was Griffin v. Evans. It was amazing how he rallied back after getting pounded in the first round.
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    It is funny to look at these lines after the fight... it was a good night for the underdog.
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    "GEORGES ST. PIERRE vs. B.J. PENN

    Georges "Rush" St. Pierre scouting report
    Height and weight: 5-foot-10, 170 pounds
    Age: 27
    Hometown: Saint-Isidore, Quebec, Canada
    Fighting out of: Montreal
    Record: 17-2

    The stakes: Motivation is in abundance for this title tilt, as St. Pierre looks to erase any doubts about his much-debated split-decision win over Penn at UFC 58. Silencing his perpetually prolix Hawaiian rival would cement a spot alongside Fedor Emelianenko and Anderson Silva in the sport's pound-for-pound elite.

    St. Pierre must realize this will be one of his career-defining fights. With moments of mental malfunction against Matt Serra and Matt Hughes still fresh in the minds of many, St. Pierre needs to view this match as his chance to carve out a spot on MMA's Mt. Rushmore.

    The breakdown: Though much has been made of St. Pierre's struggles with Penn in their first bout, he does enter this fight with the tactical advantage of knowing he can control Penn on the ground. If that sounds unimportant, keep in mind that Sean Sherk -- a downright beastly wrestler in his own right -- was so intimidated by Penn's grappling ability that he chose to absorb a beating on his feet rather than risk having his extremities extracted on the ground.

    Where St. Pierre must prove himself is standing. Although Penn certainly gave St. Pierre pause in the striking department in their first go-round, most of his success came off a pair of glancing blows that exacted a surprising toll on St. Pierre's fragile mug. St. Pierre needs to use his jab and kicks to keep Penn at bay long enough to wear him down.

    B.J. "The Prodigy" Penn scouting report
    Height and weight: 5-9, 170 pounds
    Age: 30
    Hometown: Kailua, Hawaii, U.S.
    Fighting out of: Hilo, Hawaii
    Record: 13-4-1

    The stakes: Known as much for the immaturity that has often constricted his success as for his once-in-a-generation talent, Penn again will walk his own path by abandoning the comforts of the lightweight division in an attempt to hold two titles at once.

    For all the debate over whether or not St. Pierre beat Penn three years ago, the fact is that the Hawaiian's notoriously poor conditioning was a factor in the fight and could remain a flaw that detracts from his otherwise sterling skill set. Jumping up to the 170-pound weight limit certainly will put a strain on Penn's gas tank, but will also provide a chance to finally let his talent overshadow his tongue.

    The breakdown: The most obvious element of Penn's strategy should be to go after St. Pierre's historically suspect chin by closing the gap early and keeping the pressure on the incumbent welterweight champion. What Penn must be wary of is getting into striking exchanges with St. Pierre and leaving himself vulnerable should the French Canadian change levels and pursue the takedown.

    Ideally, Penn will want to crack St. Pierre from a stand-up position before quickly transitioning to the ground and taking advantage of an unsteady champion. More than likely, however, Penn will have to take his licks on his feet and deal with St. Pierre's suffocating top control. As always, if Penn has enough gas in the tank, his talent can take care of the rest.

    The bottom line: If you're a gambler, just assume Penn will have the stamina to outlast a physically dominant opponent while ignoring the history that says otherwise. Those of us hoping to remain financially solvent must remember that St. Pierre took the best Penn had to offer once before and managed to rally for a win in the span of 15 minutes.

    With the five-round title-fight format working heavily in St. Pierre's favor, he can afford to take Penn head on in the early going, even if it means dropping a round or two. As long as St. Pierre avoids Penn's vaunted submission game and controls the tempo of the bout, he'll head back to Canada having finally assured himself a place among the sport's true greats" -espn


    This is going to be a crazy fight, i didnt agree w/ the split decision going to st pierre the first fight. his face was mangled and penn looked unscathed, but the judges give takedown a lot of points apparently. regardless, penn will be better suited at this higher weight. my prediction: penn knocks him out on strikes. gl
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    I'm just hoping for a good fight, but I think St. Pierre is the man at 170. I'm calling St. Pierre by referee stoppage.
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    I'd have to agree with Mr. Days here. :yes:
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    yea, penn got beat. standing up too

    everybody knows its a natural lightweight vs a welterweight. just bc pacquiao can do it doesnt mean an older, smaller fighter can take the welterweight champ in his prime. penn was watching too many rambo movies, but imo is still a HOFer
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    I agree that Penn is a HOFer. And in his natural division I don't see anyone beating him anytime soon. I think the win for St. Pierre is more significant than the loss for Penn. BJ was the guy taking the chance by stepping up to 170. St. Pierre really (again) established himself as the man at 170 but BJ is still the man at 155.

    If St. Pierre stepped up to fight Anderson Silva and got his *** kicked (as he likely would) I wouldn't lose any respect for him, and likewise I haven't lost any respect for BJ after this loss.

    And I'll also quickly pat myself on the back for calling the result. Technically the doctor stopped the fight rather than the ref, but what's the difference really...
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    Really no suprise here considering the difference in weight.

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