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The Whizzer headed to the Lions?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, Dec 24, 2013.

  1. Jesse Kemp
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    Well ****...
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    They can't do **** for another week at least.

    Let's hope the Chargers hold their interest off until mid February. (even if that could make it grow in the meantime, but I'd take it)
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    Hopefully a win on Sunday in Cincy puts a halt on their interest.
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    Remember when Cameron sat the best Chargers receiver the whole game (Marty didn't notice)? Cameron immediately after the loss was awarded the Miami gig.
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    Who was benched?

    But, don't think that happens at all. It would be ludicrous. But, some benefits of keeping Whisenhunt would include his familiarity with his former players in the 2014 free agent class. Guys like Anquan Boldin, Dominque Rodgers-Cromartie, Andre Roberts, O'Brien Schofield, etc. etc.
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    Ludicrous is a great word for it but in the confusion of the aftermath of that amazing game, it was barely discussed. Keenan McCardell was the man "benched" and it was supposedly over an argument with Cameron before the game. If you don't go back that far to remember, he was statistically #2 that year but was actually the deep threat #1 receiver who had Super Bowl experience AND was the statistics leader from the previous year,i.e., The guy who stretched D all year was healthy and not on the field all day and Cameron (and even worse, Marty) got almost zero flack for it.
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    Yes, behind Antonio Gates that year. I do remember in fact.

    I don't know, I think this year, there is more chemistry in the staff and players than there was in 2006. We went 14-2 that year, and really didn't know the feeling of losing was. And they say when the chips are falling, thats when you really get to know who you are. We were always ahead in games, for the most part that year. I think even through the losses this year both the players and staff have learned and grown from it as a unit.
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    ok but I was offering the idea that Cameron sabotaged the game to get a gig. You know the relevance to the topic? Waiting an extra 2 or 3 weeks could have lost him the Miami gig.
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    well we cannot stop progress. What I would hate is to lose almost the entire staff much like what happened to Marty that one year. There should be some kind of rule where only a certain number of coaches are allowed to be signed from one team.
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    Anyone else a little happy that Nate Kaeding finally isn't here?

    I mean on a personal level I feel bad for the guy, but wow that guy could fold like no other.
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    Yes I understand the point being made.

    But that was Cam Cameron's first head coaching job, so he might of been a little worried to lose it. Still complete bullshit how you throw away a run at the Super Bowl for a head coaching gig. Whisenhunt already having head coach experience will get a lot more suitors maybe next year if his offense keeps producing at a high rate in the playoffs against some good defenses.
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    Don't know if that will happen. I just hope we retain Frank Reich, I think Joe D is guaranteed to stay, because McCoy brought him in.
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    ahh...I see
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    Yup, atleast I'm hoping that will happen lol

    I mean, who's in a rush to coach the Lions? Sure, on paper its an exciting team to coach. But they committed so much money to both Stafford and Megatron, and both have come up short in recent years in big games. Looking at guys like Suh, Fairley, Young, Delmas, etc. those guys all seem to get costly penalties at times.

    But, I could also see Whisenhunt bringing in Horton and turning that team right around as well.
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    Against KC, It crossed my mind on all those consecutive third down long out throws.
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    Whiz can go as long as we are not on the hook for part of his salary.
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    I think there are much less transparent ways he could have sabotaged the game if that were his intent.

    I'm willing to buy the petty argument with him explanation.

    Anyway, I think Marty received plenty of flack for that game even if it wasn't specifically for that.
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    There is, in a sense. As the rules in the NFL are written there are three levels of coaches:
    Head Coach
    Assistant Head Coach
    Assistants (which includes both coordinators and positional coaches)

    Teams aren't allowed to prevent/block promotional hires, but they are within their rights to block/refuse interview-opportunity for lateral hires. This is provided the assistants are still under contract (which was how we ended up losing Houck - because his contract ran out and Saban/Miami backed up the Brinks truck). A assistant can also be "protected" in a sense by promoting him to Assistant Head Coach, at which point the only interviews that can't be blocked are those offering him a head coaching gig.
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    I think Whis is aware that he may only get one more HC opportunity (most coaches are fortunate to get a 2nd go-round, in order to get a 3rd unless you've got Norv's voodoo magic you typically need to have a ring) and how much does he want to risk that one chance on a dysfunctional/discipline-needy bunch like the Lions? Yes, HC opportunities don't exactly grow on trees, but there's a fairly solid track record to demonstrate that being patient and waiting for the right gig leads to better long-term results.
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    If he wants to leave, that's up to him and I wouldn't do anything to entice him in either direction. I can't say that he's that special to worry about as it has to be McCoy's O that is primary in their offensive scheme, least I'd think so.
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    As my grandmother always told me when I was a kid:
    “If you love your Whizzer, let him go, for if Whizzer returns, he was always yours.
    If he doesn't, he never really was your offensive coordinator.”
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    Did she also teach you about "Puff The Magic Dragon."
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    It's actually a combo-system that has elements of all three coaches incorporated into it. That was, in my opinion, one of the more underrated things McCoy brought to this team, a willingness to be scheme flexible where it could help the team. Our offense this season has incorporated elements of the West Coast offenses run by McCoy and Jeff Davidson in Carolina, elements of Peyton's offense that McCoy picked up from coaching him in Denver, elements of McDaniels'/Patriots' offense McCoy picked up while McD's OC, elements of Whizzer's offense, and elements of the 90's Buffalo Bills offensive scheme (I forget the damn specific name it has, Duffman knows it) that Reich and D'Alessandris brought to the table. There's a certain brilliance to that because it means that the offense evolves season-to-season; not so much that it becomes a completely different scheme, but enough that no amount of tape from the previous season is going to have a team completely prepared for what the current offense could/might throw at them.
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    That's the beauty of it, you can always add but there is nothing to takeaway. It evolves in a herky-jerkey way making it hard to game plan for.
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    and Norv's offense too...ask Rivers

    From the blunders I've seen this year, I'd take Whiz over McCoy with no OC
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    Kyle Shanahan anyone?
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    It's called being flexible or adaptable, basically the opposite of Norv who was dedicated to power runs, deep passes, and the occasional RB screen at all costs regardless of opponent strengths or our injury situation.

    I'm a fan of this McCoy/Wiz/Norv scheme, and it'll be even better when we get Floyd and or hopefully Alexander back to be that deep threat and redzone weapons.
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    Meh. I'm rooting for Reich, but I hope we do our due diligence in the search.
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    Just kidding. I think Reich should at least get the first interview.

    Read yesterday that Gilbride "retired" as well.

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