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"Worst left tackle situation in the NFL"

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, May 7, 2013.

  1. charger1993
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    For rivers Sake and Health, we need to ask him to take limited snaps, let charlie whitehurst play, and get a LT. Preferably Mathews. Our Oline wouldnt be bad then and rivers could atleast stand tall
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    We went 9-7, 8-8, 7-9 the past three seasons. 7-9 was not an aberration, but rather a continuation of a trend. Rivers is a great QB, but he's only as good as the protection in front of him allows him to be. Gates is no longer an explosive playmaker, even if he's still a reliable option at TE, and Mathews has simply never developed. In short, we basically have 1 playmaker on offense (Alexander), and no running game.

    There are probably a lot of fanbases circling their team's game (s) against the Chargers as wins. Something else to think about, as far as not having a chance to pick top 5, is that with 7 wins we selected 11th this year. With 6 wins, we'd have picked as high as 6th. When we picked 1st overall in 2004, we had 5 wins the previous season.

    I think that 6 wins is the most likely scenario, and I would put the +/- on that at 3 games. I don't see us winning fewer than 3 or more than 9. I also don't think that this is a playoff team, although it's very, very close.
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    No matter how you look at it, we're the same team that went 7-9 last year and 8-8 the year before (as mentioned above) we did improve in a lot of areas from last year. Right now we're average, not terrible, not elite, just average. It's up to our young guys (Ingram, Reyes, Liuget, T'eo, Fluker, Allen, Brown, Wright, Gilchrist, Green, Williams) to step up and become elite. We have the pieces, now its up to them and our coaching staff to get the best out of them.
    It's also time for English to step up, its time for Mathews to step up.

    I expect this team in the first year to lean heavily on the run game (which I see our o line's strength being right now) until we get better in pass protection. I also see a lot of the D lining up in in different ways to allow miss matches to gain pressure on the teams offense.

    We have a lot of Swiss army knives on our defense (guys who can line up all over the field in different ways) it's time to use them as such. I'm hopeful we have our pass rushers on roster already we just didn't know it in English and Ingram. I don't think Turner used them as much as he could have last year.
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    You've got the Homer glasses on pretty thick if you think Mathews and English are going to be stepping up this season.
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    Mathews will, Norv used him incorrectly last season, he'd be running hard and getting positive yards in the first half, usually led to a score or two, any time we went into panic mode or trying to catch up, it was always Brown out there which never led to anything other than predictability, they knew what we were going to do and it usually led to a sack or a stop on 3rd down.

    Wash your hands of Mathews last year and just look at the first two season where he was productive (not elite, or even great) but productive.
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    I agree, this is exactly my prediction. Although I do agree our schedule is a bit harder this year, but I see us as a bit better this year. At this time it's hard to judge how much tougher our division is. Kansas City is a wild card once again. Last year everyone was projecting them to go to the playoffs, but they ended up with the worst record in the NFL. We'll have to wait and see.
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    Yes, it's going to be terribly difficult to replace Barnes' production. Those 3 sacks, 7 solo tackles, and 2 assisted tackles will be tough for English to replace on his own. He'll need a lot of help.
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    Exactly. Every time I saw Brown come out I knew exactly what they were going to do. Norv Turner got so predictable the last couple seasons. It was quite frustrating.

    As long as Matthews stay's healthy he'll rush for more than 1000 yards with this new o-line.
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    Wow I just confirmed these numbers, didn't realize he was so unproductive last year. What is the big fuss about loosing him then? Even with only 11 games played, those are horrible numbers.
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    You'd have to ask Matty about that. ;)
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    Would also be nice to see Becton get a shot, He may end up being a diamond in the rough.
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    Apparently so, English in 14 games last year...
    7 tackles
    1.5 sacks

    And if I remember correctly Barnes led our team in sacks in 2011 with 11, which ironically is 3 more sacks than English has in his whole career to this point. Dangerous player on 3rd downs.
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    I could see Becton, Geathers, and Addae all making the roster. Maybe even Jerdiue(sp?) the other NT. wonder when the last time 4 UDFA's made the roster...
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    Yea but he had hardly any playing time in those 14 games last year. I'd love to see how many snaps he played last year. I watched every game, and I hardly ever saw him on the field.
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    Given our current roster, and the need at depth at every position, I can honestly see 10 UDFA's making the roster.

    Honestly are Johnny Patrick, Logan Harrell, Damke Scafe, and Mike Harris locks to make the team?

    I see 12 spots needing to be filled at least, and 7 more for PS
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    And what makes you think Barnes had more snaps in 3 less games? Remember he came into the season with a hammy injury? I know he was active a few times when listed on the injury report.

    Thing is I've seen Barnes play well, and we've never seen it from English. Also we have no pass rush specialists now, we need a guy like Barnes more than like English.
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    Yep, Barnes had one great year for us........ out of the three. His sats for 2010 (4.5 sacks) were not that much better than last season. Lets not make him into more than he was.

    He's old now, strictly a rotational guy, who needs to keep his reps limited to be effective. Just not the kind of guy Telesco is going to keep around. Frankly, I'd rather see what a young guy can do..... somebody who might develop and be here for the long haul. Barnes was strictly a short-term rental.
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    Is this the last year on English's contract? If so I'm definitely expecting much more production out of him. This could be he's last chance to develop some good film.
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    Yep, this is it....... I'm not expecting much, but he'll get the opportunity at least.
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    People on this site are comical sometimes.

    Once this team starts winning games, everyone will jump back on the bandwagon.
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    Oh, we're on the bandwagon...we're just worried about the "Gehenna or Bust" banner on the side...
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    Well I guess that's still one more good year than English has had in his 4 wasting space on our roster. And BTW Barnes 4.5 sacks in 2010...would still equal a career year for English. I'm not making him into a pro bowler here, I'm just saying the guy was a good role player particularly on obvious passing downs, which is kinda what the NFL is about now days.

    I'm all for bringing in new blood at OLB, but we should have cut English and brought Barnes back lest one or all of the undrafted players we brought in just turn out to be the next wave of Jyles Tucker, Marques Harris, and Darryl Gamble.
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    I'm not sure predicting your team will have a poor season counts as jumping off the bandwagon. Most rational Charger fans do realize a coaching change is more of a process than a quick fix...and that having Carlos Dunlap as your LT is usually a bad thing.
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    Well then, it's a good thing we signed King Dunlap instead. :laugh:
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    Well its not that much better.;)
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    I mean, you never know. Predicting loses against our opponents in May is quite foolish. You don't know what will happen between now and then.

    Again we're in a better position than last year in regards of our LOT position. If we sign Max Starks, we also have King Dunlap there for depth or vice versa.

    If you were to match this coaching staff up to last years I'd feel way more confident in 2013's staff than 2012's. Yes, 1st year coaching changes and FO changes don't always work out the best. But, it's not like this team is not talented. There's a lot of good pieces here. We had a top 10 defense with Antoine Cason and Quentin Jammer at CB and Atari Bigby at SS for a majority of the year.

    The problem was our offense, and we brought in 2 guys who know their **** on the offensive side of the ball in McCoy and Whisenhunt. Then you add in Joe D as the OL coach to revamp this line, I don't know I feel pretty good with this group. I'm not expecting Divisional or Championship rounds in the playoffs, but I expect us to fight for a Wild Card spot.
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    Really?........ you've obviously never seen Carlos Dunlap play.
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    The Chargers frankly had the worst Left Tackle situation last year too, at least this time they know what they are getting into and have some other options. I have no idea what to expect from Dunlap; the Eagles fans were thrilled to get rid of him but they might've had a worst overall offensive line than even us. I get the feeling the Chargers must have seen something they like or something they can train because he was the first FA the Chargers grabbed. Harris might be better with an extra year, and I'm very curious about Becton too.
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    It was a joke. Carlos Dunlap is a DE buddy.
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    Yeah but the difference is we didn't know it at this time last year. Gaither was a monster in his limited time in 2011 we had no reason to believe he would quit before the season even started. King Dunlap has always sucked, he was the backup LT for one of the consistently weakest O-lines in the league for the last few years and he signed the sort of contract you give to depth players, not starters, which tells me Telesco isn't over the moon about him either... never mind the pursuit of McKinnie and Starks.

    I would not be shocked if Harris beat out Dunlap for the job.

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