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#1 Total Defense in the NFL???

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by L.T Bolt, Nov 7, 2010.

  1. L.T Bolt

    L.T Bolt BoltTalker

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    Chargers Have Gotten Gashed By Arian Foster For 122 Yards and Look Horrible smh How Are they The #1 Total Defense Last Week Couldnt Stop The Pass this Week Cant stop Neither... Chargers only win If they Outscore Them... Defense And special teams aint SHHHH!T
     
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  2. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    I don't think they're as good as the stats make them look, but they're not as horrible as they've looked today either.
     
  3. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    LOL NO

    Stats lie
     
  4. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    Not anymore
     
  5. L.T Bolt

    L.T Bolt BoltTalker

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    Yea The Stats Overated But we Got the win so Im A Little More Calm Now.. Gotta Get Everything Straight In Our Bye week
     
  6. SDRaiderH8er

    SDRaiderH8er Well-Known Member

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    not the stats line!

    Stats are so over rated!


    If it meant being 9 and 0 I would take the worst defense in the league because the only stat that means anything is the win loss record. Then it only matters if you win the very last game of the entire season.
     
  7. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man New Member

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    "Stats are a bunch of numbers looking for an argument"

    Sid Gillman
     
  8. Savage Lizard

    Savage Lizard Charger fan at 7000'

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    Why do you capitalize almost every word? Just curious.
     
  9. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:
     
  10. ChargerRay

    ChargerRay Producer/Host of BoltTalk Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    They may not look good at times, but they do come up with some clutch stops especially on 4th down. Plus they made the necessary adjustments at half time to slow down foster and the Houston O.
     
  11. scratchnz

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    I must admit that I had this game down as a loss for the Chargers and I am soooooo happy to be proved worng!!

    WELL DONE CHARGERS!!!

    I hope this is the begining of something special for the rest of November and December and for that matter January! hehe lol

    I agree with the idea that Stats are not all they are made out to be. The Chargers, this year, are a prime example of that! They can only be used as a broad indication of how a team is going.
     
  12. L.T Bolt

    L.T Bolt BoltTalker

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    Lmao idk its like a habit
     
  13. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    The problem is they only seem to excel with their backs against the wall. The D, and this team.
     
  14. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man New Member

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    Don't buy the stat hype. It is all bull.

    Hardware in the trophy case is what counts.

    Fill it.
     
  15. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Then why are you not over at Raider Nation posting? Why are you here year after year one moment talking about how the Chargers are going to 'make history' then the next pining about trophies?

    Every time you pine about the trophies you crap on all the great moments of Chargers history. If all you want is the bling bling, then go to Raider Nation.
     
  16. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man New Member

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    Take your meds.
     
  17. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    LOL...
     
  18. RM24

    RM24 BoltTalker

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    There's only ONE stat that matters. Wins and Losses. (And Lombardi's. Chargers = 0) :mad:
     
  19. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    teams with hardware in the trophy case generally have good stats.
     
  20. SDRaiderH8er

    SDRaiderH8er Well-Known Member

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    BUT.....


    Just because you have good stats does not put a ring on the finger.

    A good statistician can make anything look good. Its what you do with those stats that count.

    So we have the worlds best defense. and every time we touch the ball we score, But if Special teams allows a 79 yard return then the defense only has to protect 21 yards. So if the other team moves the ball 21 yards does that make our defense look good becuase they let the team drive on us for 21 yards in 6 plays?
     
  21. vmax

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    Stats only tell part of the story. In our case having what will probably go down as the worst special teams in NFL history has a direct effect on stats for the defense.

    A hypothetical game

    Chargers punt on first drive, it is blocked and returned for TD.
    Chargers drive down field and score, then kick off. Kickoff returned for TD.
    Chargers player sets ball down on field and walks away, other team runs it to 7 yard line then their offense scores TD.
    Chargers punt, it is returned to SD 40 and opponent offense then takes it in for score.

    Not a great first half, but certainly not unrealistic for our boys. We are getting killed, the defense has not yet made a stop, but statistically they have only allowed 47 total yards which on paper looks pretty darn good.

    So far this year we have given up 1182 yards in returns, the 5 blocked punts, and a couple kickoffs out of bounds, plus turnovers that result in short fields. Those are all yards that the defense has no chance to defend against so who knows what the stats would be if half of those drives had started at the 20 yard line.

    They did however make two vital 4th down stops yesterday plus seal the game with a turnover and that is pretty impressive.
     
  22. SDRaiderH8er

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    and in the real world how many returns both punting and kickoffs, have we let go for more than 35 yards this year? Way too many. And with those long returns dont they equate to short fields! So now if the other team starts off with a short field, does the defense get credit for only allowing them one first down, well thats all they needed to put some points on the board. And on the other side all those offensive stats look great, but how many times have we drove the field just to have a turnover in the redzone?
     
  23. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    I pretty much agree H8R.

    Championships always come with good stats, but good stats don't always come with Championships.

    in other words, we shouldn't celebrate good stats but they still come with the territory of the ultimate goal.

    Furthermore, you can't win the Super Bowl in November, so people tend to enjoy good stats mid-season because they give an indication of what the team might be able to do in future games trying to achieve the ultimate goal.

    Unfortunately for the Chargers, the good stats also come with bad stats such as our turnovers and special teams gaffs.
     
  24. SDRaiderH8er

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    And by the way several years ago we had the #1 rated defense in the NFL for the entire season!

    And because we had Ryan Leaf we only won ONE game.


    ONE GAME.


    Is that a good stat?
     
  25. HollywoodLeo

    HollywoodLeo Well-Known Member

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    the defensive stat was good, but most of Ryan Leaf's stats were atrociously bad, hence the one win.

    stats can tell the accurate story so long as you interpret them correctly and don't get tunnel vision and look at only some of them.
     
  26. SDRaiderH8er

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    Leo I know exactly what you’re talking about good teams will have good stats. But didn’t the Padres have the best Pitching Staff in the NL based on stats?

    To look at something on paper is one thing, and to make decisions based on stats is another. But when it all comes down to the bottom line, everything is performance driven. And we base the team's performance based on the win/loss record, because that’s what the customer’s (us fans) want. We want a team that wins.
     
  27. HollywoodLeo

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    Yes, but they didn't have a very good offense as shown by their offensive stats.

    Again, you can't have tunnel vision or you won't see the entire story.

    Of course it's performance driven. Where do you think the stats come from? They're not just a bunch of random numbers thrown onto a piece of paper (or a computer spreadsheet) by a bunch of geeks.

    The stats are derived from player performance. The main issue is, you just have to know how to interpret them correctly, which many people cannot do.

    Are there intangibles that can't be measured by stats? Yes

    Can stats be a bit misleading? Sure

    But so long as you know to take those things into account stats can tell you the story and can also be a useful tool to make decisions with.
     
  28. nickelbolt

    nickelbolt Fuggedaboutit

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    If Special Teams were never invented, the Chargers would be undefeated right now and everyone would be posting Chargers stats in their signatures.


    Admittedly, I do not know what my point is.


    :nana_rasta:
     
  29. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    That makes two of us.:lol:

    I don't think we'd be undefeated, I think the Rams flat out beat us, and those retarded fumbles cost us the Patriots game. I'd say 6-2 at worst if our special teams was just below average rather than EPICALLY AWFUL. We seem to have fixed the return coverage, but the punt blocking is just a circus.
     
  30. HollywoodLeo

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    Special-Ed Teams and ball control are the two main factors that have plagued us.

    If not for those two issues the Chargers would be 7-1 at worst. (The Rams game being the only loss)
     

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