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  1. SuperCharger92

    SuperCharger92 Winners Win

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    Looking forward to 2016, who will you bring back?

    FS Eric Weddle, 31, UFA
    TE Antonio Gates, 35, UFA

    WR Malcolm Floyd, 34, UFA - Retiring
    OL Joe Barksdale, 27, UFA
    CB Patrick Robinson, 28, UFA
    QB Kellen Clemens, 33, UFA
    OL Johnnie Troutman, 28, UFA
    DL Kendall Reyes, 26, UFA
    DL Ricardo Mathews, 29, UFA
    FB David Johnson, 29, UFA
    TE Ladarius Green, 26, UFA
    OL Chris Hairston, 27, UFA
    SS Jahleel Addae, 26, RFA
    TE John Phillips, 29, UFA
    WR Dontrelle Inman, 27, ERFA
    LB Cordarro Law, 27, ERGA
    OL Kenny Wiggins, 28, RFA
    OL Tyreek Burwell, 23, ERFA
    LB Joe Mays, 31, UFA
    OL JD Walton, 29, UFA

    *Age is adjusted heading into 2016 season
     
  2. SuperCharger92

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    I'd want - Eric Weddle, Antonio Gates, Joe Barksdale, Patrick Robinson, Ladarius Green and Chris Hairston all back for 2016 and beyond.

    Dontrelle Inman, Cordarro Law, Tyreek Burwell and possibly Jahleel Addae (maybe) are all players I would tender. Ricardo Mathews and Joe Mays wouldn't be bad veterans to keep throughout camp and let them compete for spots.

    Donald Brown can again save us $3.5m on the cap if cut. Also, interesting Melvin Ingram counts towards $7m+ against the cap in 2016. It was the option that was extended on his rookie deal and is not fully guaranteed.
     
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    FS Eric Weddle, 31, UFA - For the right price. If he truly wants 10 million a year, its time to move on.
    TE Antonio Gates, 35, UFA - Love to have him back on a hometown deal for a year
    WR Malcolm Floyd, 34, UFA - Retiring - Sad to see him go
    OL Joe Barksdale, 27, UFA - Yep, want this guy back for sure
    CB Patrick Robinson, 28, UFA - Yes, sign him back, has been solid
    QB Kellen Clemens, 33, UFA - Give Sorneson the job or draft\sign someone else
    OL Johnnie Troutman, 28, UFA - No thanks
    DL Kendall Reyes, 26, UFA - For cheap as a backup, not starter money
    DL Ricardo Mathews, 29, UFA - Yes, sign him
    FB David Johnson, 29, UFA - For cheap
    TE Ladarius Green, 26, UFA - Yes
    OL Chris Hairston, 27, UFA - Yes
    SS Jahleel Addae, 26, RFA - As a backup
    TE John Phillips, 29, UFA - Prefer a better blocker for the run game
    WR Dontrelle Inman, 27, ERFA - Tender him
    LB Cordarro Law, 27, ERGA - Tender him
    OL Kenny Wiggins, 28, RFA - Tender him
    OL Tyreek Burwell, 23, ERFA - Tender him
    LB Joe Mays, 31, UFA - No thanks
    OL JD Walton, 29, UFA - No thanks
     
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    Better just start with a clean slate with the move to LA. ;)
     
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    We (you too) won't be so lucky! ;)
     
  6. JohnnyX

    JohnnyX 2017 Chargers Head Coach

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    All I want is the Chargers to go after the best OL, DL and Pass Rusher on the free agent.


    As for keeping are own, I may be more willing to cut a few starters.

    Looking forward to 2016, who will you bring back?

    FS Eric Weddle, 31, UFA - Eric Weddle won't be a Charger after this season.
    TE Antonio Gates, 35, UFA - I would like back but we are finally at the crossroads and will have to go with Green moving forward.
    WR Malcolm Floyd, 34, UFA - Retiring - A great team player and a lost of a leader in the locker room.
    OL Joe Barksdale, 27, UFA - I would like to keep as he has shown surprising durability around a mess of a Offensive line.
    CB Patrick Robinson, 28, UFA - Keep and upgrade at CB.
    QB Kellen Clemens, 33, UFA - Cut
    OL Johnnie Troutman, 28, UFA - Cut
    DL Kendall Reyes, 26, UFA - Cut
    DL Ricardo Mathews, 29, UFA - Depth money and keep.
    FB David Johnson, 29, UFA - Cut
    TE Ladarius Green, 26, UFA - Keep and get him in wide out looks.
    OL Chris Hairston, 27, UFA - Cut
    SS Jahleel Addae, 26, RFA - Cut
    TE John Phillips, 29, UFA - Keep for depth
    WR Dontrelle Inman, 27, ERFA - Keep and a great 3rd WR.
    LB Cordarro Law, 27, ERGA - Cut
    OL Kenny Wiggins, 28, RFA - Cut
    OL Tyreek Burwell, 23, ERFA - Keep and at PS
    LB Joe Mays, 31, UFA - Cut
    OL JD Walton, 29, UFA - Cut
     
  7. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    Uh, yeah.
     
  8. Dublin Bolt

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    What about making Keenan a v early offer i.e. before he enters his last year of his rookie deal... We've been traditionally shite at this..... eg. Vincent Jackson, Sproles, Mathews etc.
     
  9. JohnnyX

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    Matthews left on his own terms. Neither is a starting running back anymore.
     
  10. Dublin Bolt

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    Injuries notwithstanding, Mathews never had a chance with this front office of coming back. It could and has been argued that he could have stayed at limited expense and continued being the starter here. And we could then have not wasted another draft on Gordon.

    Don't get me wrong Gordon will probably prove to be better than Ryan ever was but it was a luxury we did not have to reach for. Instead I'd love to have seen Cam Erving.
     
  11. Chaincrusher

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    FS Eric Weddle, 31, UFA --It depends on the $$$.
    TE Antonio Gates, 35, UFA--Team friendly deal only, would rather spend more $$$ to sign Vernon Davis.
    WR Malcolm Floyd, 34, UFA--Retiring.
    OL Joe Barksdale, 27, UFA --Re-sign with an eye toward making him a reserve.
    CB Patrick Robinson, 28, UFA--Re-sign as a reserve.
    QB Kellen Clemens, 33, UFA--Re-sign as a reserve (can't waste a 2016 draft pick on a QB due to too many holes).
    OL Johnnie Troutman, 28, UFA--Pass.
    DL Kendall Reyes, 26, UFA--Pass.
    DL Ricardo Mathews, 29, UFA--Pass.
    FB David Johnson, 29, UFA--Pass.
    TE Ladarius Green, 26, UFA--Team friendly deal only.
    OL Chris Hairston, 27, UFA--Pass.
    SS Jahleel Addae, 26, RFA--Team friendly deal only (needs to be a reserve).
    TE John Phillips, 29, UFA--Pass.
    WR Dontrelle Inman, 27, ERFA--Pass.
    LB Cordarro Law, 27, ERGA--Pass.
    OL Kenny Wiggins, 28, RFA--Pass.
    OL Tyreek Burwell, 23, ERFA--Pass.
    LB Joe Mays, 31, UFA--Pass.
    OL JD Walton, 29, UFA--Pass.
     
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  12. Chaincrusher

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    There is no evidence that the team ever made an offer to Mathews, not even the veteran minimum.

    If we still had Mathews, he would be our starter right now. And Sproles would be our 3rd down back over Woodhead.
     
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    Not a chance. Woodhead is twice the player Sproles is at the moment even the last few seasons (despite Woodhead being out in 2014).
     
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    Eric Weddle - If we could, a deal around $7-8m on average a year over the next 4 years would be ideal for him; to make it ideal for us, front load his contract that way his guaranteed money is paid and if he really digresses towards the back end of his contract we can cut him.
    Antonio Gates - If he comes back, he'll either take the hometown discount, or he'll want a deal relatively close to what Tony Gonzalez got with the Falcons, which was a 2 year $14m deal.
    Joe Barksdale - I'd give Barksdale a decent contract. He has been our best, most reliable lineman this year and has played well. 3-4 years for him, his average salary could get tricky.
    Patrick Robinson - Definitely lock up up Robinson for the next 2-3 years. He has played well and deserves it. Gives us that safety net in case Flowers continues to digress throughout his deal.
    Ladarius Green - Well, Green will be the toughest to negotiate aside from Weddle. He doesn't have the production to warrant a top tier TE contract (like Charles Clay got last year), but I feel as if he will get it elsewhere. It would be a huge mistake to let Green walk. Both coordinators, Whiz and Reich have failed to use him consistently and effectively, and Gates might get in the way of that. Either way, I'd want Green locked up for the next 3-4 years.
    Chris Hairston - He's a great swing tackle and he adds depth in case Dunlap goes down next year with another concussion or injury. You'd have to think if Dunlap is concussed again he will retire. Playing him inside at guard though, is another story. I'd lock him up for 2-3 years.
     
  15. Chaincrusher

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    This is a candidate for the absurd statement of the day. I mean this one is not even a close call and it speaks to the bias that some here have that borders on being delusional when discussing anyone in a Chargers uniform.

    Sproles has averaged over five yards per carry for his entire career, has superior take it to the house potential catching balls out of the backfield and is a kick return threat. Sproles has almost as many punt return TDs (3) as Woodhead has TDs (4) over the past two seasons.

    Woodhead is a fundamentally sound, good player that most teams would want to have unless they had someone like Sproles on their team.

    Basically, Woodhead is the poor man's Sproles minus the kick return game. Sproles is simply a superior athlete and player. There is no way around it.

    Try being even a little bit objective.
     
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  16. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    We will not be able to afford any of these because Donald Butler, and Donald Brown will get HUGE extensions with that cash....
     
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  17. Chaincrusher

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    It s interesting that all of the TEs (even Johnson if you count him that way) are UFAs at the same time.

    I would love to keep Gates at a team friendly price for 1-2 more years as long as he continues to play at his current level. I have seen Green enough to know that while he is a legitimate pass catcher, he will never be close what Gates has been for us and he has been far too injury prone.

    Conceptually, I would like us to make a push to sign Vernon Davis. I could spit nails given that the 49ers let him walk to the Donkies for nothing which means our signing him would contribute to the Donkies getting a compensatory pick.

    But Davis is a really nice candidate to take over for Gates either immediately or after a year or two of playing with him.

    Also, if Gates stays with the team, we would have two established really good receiving TEs.

    Then, I would like to see us draft a bigger TE that can block for us. I think a player like Nick Vannett (Ohio State) would be capable of doing that for us.

    Green could be re-signed at a team friendly price to be a reserve for us in case of injury. He represents quality in that role, but not as a starter.
     
  18. SuperCharger92

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    I can't.

    Since Danny Woodhead has joined the Chargers (2013-present) he has been a better player than Darren Sproles. Stop looking at averages per carry, in many ways that is such a flawed statistic. I mean obviously Sproles is the better special teams player, that is where he started his career, and where he does most of his damage to opponents. But, Woodhead does everything Sproles does and more as a RB.

    Let's look at their 2013 seasons, since Woodhead was out injured in 2014, and in 2015 Sproles hasn't been utilized as much nor is the season over to conclude statistics fair to both Woodhead and Sproles.

    Sproles - 357 offensive snaps, 53 attempts for 220 yards and 2 TD's, 71 catches for 604 yards and 2 TD's. 35 total first downs.

    Woodhead - 491 offensive snaps, 106 attempts for 429 yards and 2 TD's, 76 catches for 605 yards and 6 TD's. 56 total first downs.

    What is the point of a third down back? To get 1st downs. That's exactly what Woodhead does in addition to pass block. When have you witnessed Sproles pass block? Also, Woodhead can play 1st and 2nd down, while Sproles has been limited to 3rd downs his entire career. When you're a RB, you're supposed to play 3 downs. So how is Sproles the better player? Just because he is a better athlete?

    Woodhead is an underrated player. He is a very, very smart football player. Recognizes and understands mismatches and wins his one on ones. He also breaks a significant amount of tackles, although to your point, Sproles makes people miss tackles.

    Woodhead is a better RB than Sproles. I agree, Sproles is the better athlete, but not the better player. That's just nonsense.
     
  19. Chaincrusher

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    No, Woodhead does not do everything Sproles does and more as a RB. The statement would be true if you had stated Sproles does everything Woodhead does and more as a RB.

    Contrary to your suggestion, not only can Sproles play on second down and third down, he can play on first down as the primary RB (unlike Woodhead) and has done just that with success when called upon to do so over his career. And I have seen Sproles pass block every bit as effectively as Woodhead has.

    Consider the following.

    Rather than cherry picking one season to make your comparison, consider that in 3 seasons with the Saints, Sproles caught more passes and scored more passing TDs than Woodhead has in his entire 7 year career. Sproles has more than double the receiving TDs that Woodhead has (27-12) on twice as many receptions.

    In the 5 seasons in which Woodhead has had more than 15 receptions, his season long has been under 30 yards twice. In 7 complete similar seasons, Sproles has never had a season long under 39 yards.

    Sproles has a career YPC of 5.1 versus 4.4 for Woodhead. Woodhead's last 3 years have been 4.0, 2.5 and 3.8. Sproles' last 3 years have been 4.2, 5.8, 3.9.

    Woodhead has one season with a long run of over 19 yards. Sproles has no seasons with a long run under 21 yards and only two with a long run under 27 yards. One of the seasons in which Sproles had a long run of 21 yards was a season in which he had only 8 carries.

    Sproles has more TDs per rush than Woodhead.

    Sproles has 6 punt return TDs and 2 kickoff return TDs.

    Everywhere you turn, the picture is the same. Sproles is obviously the more explosive threat every time he touches the ball. That is what makes him a special player and the lack of that ability on a regular basis is what limits Woodhead to being only good player.
     
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    You win. Are you sure you not a NFL GM? Your takes are so on point.

    Sign this guy up! **** TELESCO! CHAINCRUSHER AS GM FOR 2016 YEAH GET EXCITED! SUPER BOWLS COMING TO SAN DIEGO/LOS ANGELES/CARSON/WHEREVER THE **** WE ARE PLAYING!
     
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    *logs off account*





    *deletes account*
    (Chargers fans suck)
     
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    Moses Can You Stand The Rain?

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    He's a lawyer, allegedly.

    His vocation is to bloviate. ;)
     
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    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I take Woodnoggin just cuz I want to annoy you now. Guys biggest flaw is he plays for the Dolts.

    BTW UR WRNG :x3: McCoy is uh pantywaist.
     
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    Okay, well you be sure to have a Merry Christmas! :tup:

    As for the whole Woodhead/Sproles thing, the stats are pretty much a layup as to which player is the better, more explosive player. Only on a Chargers forum would this be a disputed point.

    As for McCoy, I am not saying that he is great or has done anything to keep his job. But I like his C/C- over Telesco's D-/F any day. I am fine with McCoy being gone as long as Telesco is gone first as the far bigger problem.
     
  27. The LBC

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    Actually not true. We released Donald from that contract earlier (remember, when he was released and the natives briefly rejoiced... before he was brought back on the veteran minimum?). Fairly certain his vet min deal is only for this season, or at worst it's a two year deal, but not one that's going to save us $3.5m off next year's ledger. Either way, he'll count for a little over $1m in dead money next year whether he's on the roster or not.
     
  28. Chaincrusher

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    Spotrac shows his entire base salary from his contract as dead money against this year's cap. If so, we did not save anything by releasing him when we could have saved the entire $3M had we released him. The signing bonus proration that Spotrac currently shows would have been identical if we had released him before the season with a post June 1st designation.

    The only thing that I can think of that is worse than the wasted $3M for Brown's zero carries this year is the thought of Brown actually playing and getting carries.
     
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    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    As to who I'd keep... I'm very much torn on Weddle and I suppose it comes down to price/cost. His play this season has in no way, shape, or form even merited the level at which he's currently being paid... and he wants a raise? If I were a guy that was bucking for a raise - particularly if my play-level had slipped from seasons-past - and I was injured, I'd sure as hell be doing what Freeney was last year when he was in civies on the sideline: Working with the younger guys, coaching them up, imparting that veteran knowledge and leadership. This is one of our captains and the last several Sundays, I've seen Eric standing around looking like it's a chore to even be there.

    We've hit a point - and if there is a new coaching brought in, they're likely to view it this way (or I'd at least hope so) - where if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

    Who is a bigger priority than others really boils down to if any scheme changes come about. Matthews fits certain schemes better than Reyes does, and vice versa - neither is starting caliber, but which is preferred (for me at least) comes down to whether or not we remain a odd-front team.

    I would certain try to keep Green, but I'm not breaking the bank to keep him by any means. I view Green similarly to how I did Julius Thomas in Denver. A bit suspect that it took him till his contract year to kick the door down in terms of his performance and production (and no, not all of that is on the coaching staff - Gates missed time for injury several times over the course of his current contract and he generally failed to seize the opportunities; wouldn't be surprised if it came out that he was only okay in practices as well during that time). Gates is almost certain to either resign or retire - unless the team flat out doesn't even tender him an offer (and I'm fairly certain Rivers might go into Catholic rage if that happens). Unless you've got a Gronkowski (or prime-Witten/Gonzo) who is a great TE in all facets (blocking as well as dynamic receiving threat), despite the trend of the athletic, Move-TE in the league, TE simply isn't a position you bend over backwards or sacrifice other guys to keep/obtain (see Seattle presently). Unless his body breaks down at an alarming rate, if Gates wants to play another two years, I definitely believe he can. That gives a window to take a late round flier or UDFA stab at an athlete/project type and coach him up.

    There's no reason not to keep any of the Exclusive Rights Free Agents - the tender amount is the vet minimum. At the very least you retain them, carry them into camp, and let them fight for their roster spots (I mean, for God's sake, we take a 90-man roster into camp).

    Addae has earned an RFA tender - I wouldn't worry about giving him a higher than standard one to protect him. If someone really wants to sign him away, they can feel free (but offer sheets tendered to RFA's are rare occurrences).

    Patrick Robinson is a tough one for me. He's played admirably, but I also feel he's benefited from the cushions that Milus loves, that I hate, that I want to get the hell rid of. If the defensive scheme sees any major changes, I'd like to have him back but again it will be on a based-on-the-contract situation. I don't even mind paying him high-end back-up money, I just want either an easy-out option (low guarantees or at least low signing bonus that doesn't require a lot of proration) or a short contract. As I've said in the past, I don't sweat retaining CB's as much unless you've got someone truly outstanding, because if they fit the scheme, you can almost always find quality veterans willing to play on 1-2 year prove-it deals, and they're often on their game for those years given they're "trying to get paid." With having a young, blossoming corner in Verrett - you can stick a different guy opposite every other year or so and it actually behooves us to keep that guy hungry because Verrett's guy isn't going to get thrown at as often.

    Backup QB - I want no part of Sorenson or Clemens. I saw the purpose of Clemens when we were implementing a new offense (one he had some familiarity with, even if it wasn't under the coaching staff implementing it here) because it gave Phil an added set of eyes on the headset. That said, he's overpaid for what he brings to the table now. And Sorensen just isn't going to get it (I'm not even sure he's got it to hack it in the CFL). Quality backup QB's (the kind you can have faith in to not be the liability that loses you a game if you're left without your starter) are a rare breed in the league nowadays - we can thank college football for a lot of that. Either offers Clemens' money to Matt Moore or Chase Daniel (who at least offer more, onfield, than KC does), or hell, if someone like Cody Kessler falls to Day 3 (doubtful, but possible), I'd be fine with drafting specifically him. Not that I believe he'll ever be a great starter, but I believe he can be a very, very good backup (he'll likely be a better QB coach than he ever will pro QB) who has a high football IQ, can bridge a whoever Rivers' eventual replacement is well, and be an asset to Rivers in the headset in the interim.
     
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    They're a difficult source to rely upon midseason - as they tend to halfass their updates. And I said we saved on "next year's cap" - i.e. we removed the salary he was set to make ($3 million) from those 2016 books. We didn't save much, if anything, this year because we did end up re-signing him. Vet minimum for a player his veterancy is ~$900k; we already had his the 2015 proration charged against the cap along with the game-checks for the 2-3 games he was on the regular season roster, cut him (thus taking those game-checks yet to be paid off the ledger), but then re-signed him (presumably at the veteran minimum) which put another ~$900k to $1m back on the books for this season.
     

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