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A look ahead to an uncapped NFL

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Jan 5, 2010.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_y...F?slug=ap-freeagencychanges&prov=ap&type=lgns

    WASHINGTON (AP)—Miles Austin(notes) of the Cowboys, Brandon Marshall(notes) of the Broncos and six other Pro Bowl picks are among more than 200 NFL players who would lose their status as unrestricted free agents this offseason if the league and its union can’t agree on a new labor contract.

    According to a list obtained by The Associated Press on Wednesday, there are 212 players who would be considered restricted free agents—instead of unrestricted—if there is no salary cap in 2010. There is at least one player from each of the NFL’s 32 teams on the list.

    Pro Bowl linebackers Elvis Dumervil(notes) of the Broncos and DeMeco Ryans(notes) of the Texans are in the group of potentially affected players. So are dozens of other starters from across the NFL, including quarterbacks Kyle Orton(notes) of the Broncos and Jason Campbell(notes) of the Redskins.

    “Free agency’s always been something for the players, always been a great thing. If you get one crack at free agency as a player, that’s what you dream of,” Orton said before Denver practiced Wednesday. “How it stands right now … guys aren’t going to be able to have that dream, to be a free agent. That’s a shame for the players, I think.”

    In an uncapped year, a player would need at least six years in the NFL, up from the current minimum of four years in the league, to be an unrestricted free agent able to sign with any team.

    Dallas receiver Austin was aware his free agency status could change, but said he wouldn’t consider his breakout season bad timing.

    “I can’t control any of that,” he said. “I’ve just got to stay focused on the things I can control, and that’s playing this week and playing hard.”

    The other players announced Tuesday as selections for this season’s Pro Bowl who could find themselves missing out on a chance to cash in this offseason are Packers safety Nick Collins(notes), Patriots guard Logan Mankins(notes), Saints guard Jahri Evans(notes) and Eagles fullback Leonard Weaver(notes).

    In addition to the NFL’s sacks leader (Dumervil), and the NFC’s leader in yards receiving (Austin), other prominent names on the list include Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman(notes), Jets receiver Braylon Edwards(notes), Colts safety Antoine Bethea(notes), Dolphins running back Ronnie Brown(notes) and Patriots kicker Stephen Gostkowski(notes).

    “If you’re a guy that’s been in the league a long time, and you know you’re pretty much set, you probably have a different opinion about it. But if you’re a guy that’s in my position, it’s going to affect us not just short term but long term,” Washington’s Campbell said.

    If they lose out on the chance to become unrestricted free agents this offseason, players might not get as big a payoff as they could have been expecting. They also won’t have the luxury of moving freely anywhere in the league.

    A restricted free agent’s old club gets a chance to offer the player a one-year contract at different levels of pay which determine what level of draft-choice compensation the old club would receive for losing the player. And the old club has the right to match any offer another club makes to a restricted free agent.

    “If you’re a free agent, of course you’ve got a lot of options, but if you’re a restricted free agent, it’s pretty much the team’s choice, depending on what they want to do,” Campbell said.

    Other rules changes would go into effect if there is no salary cap in 2010. There would be no minimum or maximum amounts teams could spend on payroll, and each club would get an extra “transition player” tag. A “transition player” must be offered a minimum of the average of the top 10 salaries of the prior season at the player’s position or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater.

    “All of a sudden, your rules change,” said Campbell, one of seven Redskins players on the list. “That’s the situation I’ve been dealt and so have other guys on the team.”

    AP Sports Writers Jaime Aron in Irving, Texas; Pat Graham in Englewood, Colo.; and Joseph White in Ashburn, Va., contributed to this report.
     
  2. Workplay

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    We're going to see a whole lot less parity in the league if there's no cap. :unsure:
     
  3. Workplay

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    2009 MOST VALUABLE TEAMS
    1. Dallas Cowboys
    2. Washington Redskins
    3. New England Patriots
    4. New York Giants
    5. New York Jets
    6. Houston Texans
    7. Philadelphia Eagles
    8. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    9. Chicago Bears
    10. Denver Broncos
    11. Baltimore Ravens
    12. Carolina Panthers
    13. Cleveland Browns
    14. Kansas City Chiefs
    15. Indianapolis Colts
    16. Pittsburgh Steelers
    17. Green Bay Packers
    18. Miami Dolphins
    19. Tennessee Titans
    20. Seattle Seahawks
    21. Cincinnati Bengals
    22. New Orleans Saints
    23. Arizona Cardinals
    24. San Diego Chargers
    25. St Louis Rams
    26. Buffalo Bills
    27. San Francisco 49ers
    28. Detroit Lions
    29. Jacksonville Jaguars
    30. Atlanta Falcons
    31. Minnesota Vikings
    32. Oakland Raiders
     
  4. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    The NFL couldn't handle seeing the Cowgirls out of the post season for so long, so now all non Cowgirl fans will pay.

    **** THE NFL!!!
    That happens, I'm looking into CFL TV coverage and never supporting the NFL again.
     
  5. boltssbbound

    boltssbbound Well-Known Member

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    Typical drama queen response from you. If past years are any indication, spending big on free agents is not the way to win Super Bowls. Will some teams have an advantage? Sure. But one uncapped year is not going to throw the league into complete disarray.
     
  6. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Player salaries can only increas 30% in an uncapped year, while the timeline for unrestricted free agents is lengthened by 2 years. Thus McNeil, Merriman and Jackson are restricted free agenst next season not unrestricted.
     
  7. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    And a gay response from you. I know all of this but an uncapped year is an extremely bad decision... and it doesn't take an Einstein to know this.

    IMO... we recently saw one of the best decades in NFL history and the product is getting better by the second. Now it's in danger of being destroyed, just to benefit the Cowgirls, Gnats, and other NFL favorites.
     
  8. Kwak

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    The Top 8 playoff teams are also severely restricted from playing in the FA market.
     
  9. Kwak

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    Really? So the current CBA issue is all a result of the cowboys missing the playoffs? :icon_rofl:
     
  10. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I gotta say this is a bad thing for the Chargers in the long run. Its a bad thing for a lot of teams, and it wouldn't shock me if in a decade or so the NFL just flat out lost a couple teams.

    That said, I think the NFL is perfect right now the way it is. 32 teams, 8 divisions, 2 conferences, 12 playoff teams, single elimination playoffs, salary cap keeps big markets from dominating and keeps small market teams in the running every year.
     
  11. Workplay

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    Agreed. :yes:

    Now if only college football could get it right!
     
  12. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Team values? Or powerrankings for the next 30yrs?:icon_shrug:

    By the way, you'll notice all 3 California franchises are in the bottom 8. SURE LETS PUT A TEAM IN L.A!
     
  13. HollywoodLeo

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    LA's a big market.

    Just look at how the Dodgers are able to spend as compared to the Padres, A's, and Giants....at least when their owner isn't getting a divorce anyways.
     
  14. bigcarson50

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    With all of the extra rules, this is going to restrict player movement more than enhance it, which would place greater emphasis on player development and scouting, not the free agent market.
     
  15. boltssbbound

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    It's one season. Salaries can't increase by more than 30% in that year, either, so it's not like we are going to see salaries doubling and tripling.

    This isn't about the Giants and Cowboys. Once again, you do not have your facts right. This is a result of a new CBA not being agreed upon. This was written into the previous CBA agreement. In essence, this gives the owners and the players association an extra year to work out a new CBA without a devastating lockout or strike.
     
  16. HollywoodLeo

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    I agree that if it's only one season it's not a huge deal, especially since UFAs turn into RFAs.

    That being said, if it remains uncapped for good I lean towards B4L's opinion.

    Although I'd still watch just because I like the sport too much, I just wouldn't care for it as much.
     
  17. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    The NFL wants more title in Dallas in a major way.
    Find it kind of ironic that this is happening when the Cowgirls have a new stadium that holds 130 thousand and the Gnats will have their new stadium?
     
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    No ****, Dick Tracy but who is going to benefit on this?
     
  19. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I know I'm gonna get crap for saying it, but the Chargers franchise would probably be much better off moving to LA from a competitive standpoint.

    It truely sounds like Spanos is committed to San Diego, which I love, but I don't see how even building a new stadium all of a sudden makes this franchise more valuable.
     
  20. boltssbbound

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    Your conspiratorial argument is just flat out stupid. The uncapped year is not something devised by the league to aide the wealthy teams. This is an agreement reached between the owners and the players association. Why would the owners of all the other teams conspire to help a couple wealthy teams? It makes no sense. They are not going to sacrifice their own success so that the Cowboys and Giants can be more successful.

    If next year does end up being uncapped, I doubt your are going to see alot of big time long term deals reached, anyway. A player like Vincent Jackson is not going to sign a long term deal for a 30% raise, when as a free agent in a salary capped year he would make at least 5 times what he earned this year. Next year will essentially be a holding pattern year, where players sign short-term deals in the hopes of cashing in later. I think it actually bodes quite well for the Chargers, who would have a ton of high profile unrestricted free agents if not for the uncapped year.

    The sky is not falling.
     
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    I won't give you crap, you're right. In an uncapped NFL they most definitely benefit more from the LA market.

    Hell, they might benefit more from it even as is.

    That being said, I'd much rather go to San Diego for games than LA and they can still be a powerhouse team in San Diego with the current system...I don't know if they can be without a cap.

    And that's the beauty of the current system. They don't have to be one of the most valuable franchises in the league to be able to field a perennial winner.
     
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    Once again.... No ****, Dick Tracy!
    Bottom line... this is a bad idea and I've explained why. Besides, if it happens once, how do you know it won't happen again?


    You don't!!!
     
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    Exactly!!!
     
  24. HollywoodLeo

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    Think long term, though.

    When the bigger franchises (financially) can afford to dominate the free agent market like the Yankees, Cubs, Mets, and Red Sox do in baseball the Chargers will have a much tougher time keeping their players and filling their holes in free agency.

    No cap and being at or near the bottom of the financial barrel can lead a team to doing something like trading Jake Peavy for 4 unproven players.

    It might benefit us short term if it only lasts a year or two but in the long term it's crap.
     
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    I guess the owners really don't care if the destroy the nfl. They probably figure they'll always have the media money. Even if the game is very uneven between the haves and havenots and winds up making the game a sham..

    If thats the case. I hope the players form thier own league.. Its probably the only way to save the integrity of the game.
     
  26. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I agree. It kinda feels like they're destroying what makes the NFL great.

    I can't remember the last time I believed the Padres had a potential World Series contender in spring training. Its kinda like hoping they catch lightning in a bottle, because at the end of the day they can't afford to retain their star players much less bring new ones in, and sure enough they're rebuilding every 3yrs.
     
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    I'm trying to figure out what the angst is about here. This delays negotiations by one year, giving us Merriman, Jackson and others here at a reasonable price. Rather than kill the salary cap, there has been some ideas thrown around that include a salary structure for rookies, outside of the cap, which would free up money for veteran players, money that could keep guys with Chargers in the long term. It might also keep some players in college longer, bringing them into the draft more developed. Veteran players would have vested interest in this.Neither the Player's association nor the owners have an incentive to revert to a system that has screwed up baseball. I suspect strongly that we will see a new CBA with a cap, maybe even one with more flexibility.

    Personally, I don't see a down side to seeing what Merriman can do next year to establish his real value. It might keep LT around a year longer, maybe more, if he reemerges next year(not as improbable as it sounds). The breather will allow us to keep stars and give new players and some of the younger ones we have more time to develop before they assume starting spots. Rather the present situation than another strike.
     
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    It's good to see that somebody gets it!!!
     
  29. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I like the idea of the rookie cap being seperate from the team cap, but right now its a pipe dream because the two sides are not cooperating, and it doesn't look like there is going to be any cap at all of any kind. And the writing on the wall from the owners (THE RICHEST ONES IN PARTICULAR) is that they do not want a salary cap at all. Just listen to Jerry Jones' interview on inside the NFL.

    By the way if LT doesn't retire after we win the Super Bowl he's going to be released. There is no way AJ is going to spen 6-8 mil on a guy who had ZERO 100yd rushing games this year....that money will go to re-signing Vjack and McNeil.
     
  30. Savage Lizard

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    If it wasn't for fantasy baseball I wouldn't even watch anymore. MLB is terrible unless you are a fan of one of the 7-8 teams that are going to win it every year unless some other team has a magic season. I used to dream of the day the Padres would win it, but I have given up. They will never win it unless it's on accident. All I hope for now is that they win when I happen to watch.
     
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