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After we draft Mt. Cody..

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by szarmes, Mar 12, 2010.

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Best running back available in round 2?

  1. Jonathan Dwyer

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    29.6%
  2. Ben Tate

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    18.5%
  3. Toby Gerhart

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    40.7%
  4. Anthony Dixon

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    11.1%
  5. Dexter McCluster

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    0.0%
  1. szarmes

    szarmes I am the Walrus

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    Who will be the best running back in round 2 if we decide to go NT in round 1 with Terrence Cody? Cast your votes

    I personally love Toby Gerhart. He has a lot to bring to the league. He definitely knows how to find the endzone and he was definitely the most impressive RB at the combine. He is fricken ripped too. Just watch the highlight video, he may not be the fastest RB but he always falls forwards and will definitely give us atleast 4.5 yards per carry.

     
  2. matilack

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    Dwyer- Won't be there, some fool will take a flyer on him in the early 2nd.
    Gerhart- Not convinced he's what we need, maybe in the late 3rd as a fullback.
    Dixon- Painfully limited player, can't run outside, can't catch, can't pass block.
    McCluster- Only if we lose Sproles, and even then I don't think he has the talent of Sproles.

    I'd take Hardesty or Tate....in that order.
     
  3. RipTheJacker

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    1 - Dwyer
    2 - Ben Tate
    3 - Anthony Dixon
    4 - Hardesty

    THose are the only 4 i would take in the 2nd round if we miss out on mathews or spiller
     
  4. RipTheJacker

    RipTheJacker Well-Known Member

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    WTF are you talking about, hes a pretty good pass catcher, and blocker

    Sure he cant really get outside in the NFL, but he is a VERY good inside runner, and can be another Michael Turner (minus 4.45 speed). Tough to bring down, good tackle breaker, wears down a defense, add all those together and hes a great fit for norvs offense and a perfect compliment to Sproles
     
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    Best rb available, whoever AJ deems it to be.
     
  6. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    By the way, for those of you saying we've always done a good job finding RB's in the later rounds, thats because we've always had LT. AJ has never had a reason to spend a high pick on a RB, and the 4th and 5th rounders get time to develop behind the best RB in the league rather than being thrown to the wolves.
     
  7. RipTheJacker

    RipTheJacker Well-Known Member

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    We also havent done that well lately at RB

    Jacob Hester (2nd/3rd), Marcus Thomas (5th), Gartrell Johnson (4th) are all wasted draft picks
     
  8. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    The discussion is what we do with the 60th pick, and I'm talking about a TJ Duckett clone who is worth nothing higher than a late 3rd rounder. He runs strait forward.....but thats about it. And at the NFL level he'll have an even harder time reaching the perimeter. He also has duribility issues, as well as questions about his work ethic after coming into camp well overweight in the offseason.

    So by limited, I mean limited (to no) upside. He'll be a goalline specialist at best.
     
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    [youtube]R07yQOIMCUM[/youtube]

    Doesnt look that limited to me
     
  10. foober

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    If a.j. wants the best back it would probably be matthews. Kids got it all. Though he gets dinged up some.

    i keep thinking what we really need is a rb that can get those very tough yards sometimes on his own. WE have the passing offense for the long distance yardage. But what we need is a rb that can get those 3rd and 2 yards or goalline and 2 yards. A rb that can move a pile.:yes:
     
  11. matilack

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    Looks like TJ Duckett to me.:lol:
     
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    1. Gerhardt
    2. Tate
     
  13. foober

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    Yep, 2nd rounders. Wish we had a middle 2nd rounder. After matthews I'd have to guess tate is next best. Then dwyer or hardesty and then dixon. And then gerhart. But LIke someone mentioned. He might not be able to run over people in the pros as he did in college.

    Tate is very interesting. Though he'll be gone early in the second round.
     
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    Personally, out of all the backs, Gerhardt is really the only one I saw play in a game and I thought he was really good.

    This draft/scouting **** is not my strongpoint. I don't watch alot of cfb outside of Pac 10. I'd be pretty happy if we got him.
     
  15. matilack

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    The problem with Gerhart is the same as with Dixon, I'm not sure his style translates well too the NFL. The ridged upright power runners only work when there is absolutely no defensive penetration. Watch his "highlight reels", they run a stacked I formation where the Stanford O-line just plows the road for him. Sure he's very productive and he's local blah blah blah....but there are A LOT of big backs who are productive at the college level who just arn't athletic enough to make the move to the NFL.


    I agree we need a guy who can run between the tackles, but the trick is to find a guy who doesn't TELEGRAPH that we're running up the middle evey time he's in the game. Mathews fits the bill perfectly, I also love Montario Hardesty's versatility.
     
  16. AnteaterCharger

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    What I don't understand when watching Gerhardt is the attempt to pigeon hole him as one of three things

    1. An ineffective running back in the NFL very much like Mike Alscott
    2. a future fullback
    3. At most a short yardage back

    I just don't see #1 in him, he fights very hard for yards, carries the ball well over longer distances, has good speed and can even catch a little. There's little to suggest he is or will be ineffective in the NFL. And I don't see anything to suggest he should be a fullback except maybe those who see it as a racial thing (which I'm not going to get into). He's a good blocker but there's nothing to suggest in his ability that he'd be a decent lead blocker. At least Hester had lined up at FB before we drafted him, he was a hybrid. Gerhardt is a pure running back and a good one too.
     
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    Honest opinion Ant...In the Chargers situation I don't see Gerhart being anything more than a stop gap, setting us up to spend another high pick on a faster more versatile RB next year.


    I realize the fad now is to have your "thunder and lightning" change of pace backs, but I'd rather have a feature back and a couple nice compliments. Gerhart doesn't play as fast in pads as he does in shorts, I think when you see him in the NFL surrounded by better athletes you'll be surprised at his marginal burst and complete lack of a 2nd gear.
     
  18. szarmes

    szarmes I am the Walrus

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    I know this is going out on a limb, but since the Seahawks don't have a 3rd round pick to spend on Whitehurst (we tendered him with a third), what if a deal is worked out where we trade Whitehurst and our 2nd for their 2nd?
    Then we could go with Mathews in round 1 and Cody will almost surely be there at the 38th pick. If we don't take Mathews at 28, I don't think he'll be there at 38...
    This way, Seattle get's their QB and a 2nd (really just a very high 3rd) round pick and we get an early 2nd round pick. Work's out for everybody
     
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    Actually the Seahawks have the 40th pick, and I think Cody is a serious possibilty to KC at 36. They desperately need a true NT.
     
  20. szarmes

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    Either way, having a high 2nd will be great
     
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    Agreed.:tup: But the 40 pick may be a little too late to get both Mathews and Cody.
     
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    szarmes I am the Walrus

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    hopefully it'll all work out for the best. As long as we can somehow get Ryan Mathews, i'll be happy. There are other options beside's Cody.. Getting both would be cherry though
     
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    I just feel that some people around here arn't thinking this through fully. Its nice to have a great scatback like Sproles, and its nice to throw a change-up like Gerhart.......but I think people seriously undervalue a guy who can be a feature back. Mathews on day 1 can be a feature back. A guy who can play on 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down without telegraphing our play by being defined as small back or a big back.

    Also it seems silly to assume Sproles will even be a Charger in 2010, much less 2011, and that might put us in a position to have to spend high pick on a RB next year if we don't this year.


    Ideally I'd like to find a way to land both, via an Eric Weddle type trade up into the early 2nd round.
     
  24. LT-Express

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    Man I read through this entire thread thinking I might find some new information.....

    And what I came up with, was the same conversation that has been spread in other threads...

    Ryan Matthews this Ryan Matthews that.....Gerhart can't be a RB but will be a FB in the NFL. Jonathon Dwyer sucks, Ben Tate and Montario Hardesty are the best two after CJ Spiller and the wonder child Ryan Matthews.....

    Can we please talk about some of the other RB's in this draft, like Bell, Mcknight, Best.....Something other than hearing about Ryan Matthews, Ben Tate, and Montario Hardesty would be nice......
     
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    szarmes I am the Walrus

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    If he's not a Charger next year, i'm smelling Noel Devine becomes a Bolt!
     
  26. Buck Melanoma

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    I've mentioned Bell a few times & get the same old tired tripe - he's from a small school, who is he, are you willing to place our running game on this guy.

    I've made my case & have nothing more to say on the RB subject. We'll know in a little over a month who the decision-makers like.
     
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    No to Mcknight. Best I like a lot. Great fast player with a lot of skill. Often overlooked. That concussion might make him drop, which could be a steal for the Chargers.

    Blunt is another RB who has really only had one incident and would have been taken higher. Good value for a big RB.
     
  28. matilack

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    Sure.

    Joique Bell- The positive... intangibles are off the chart, has great versatility in the passing game, fights hart for extra yards and keeps legs churning.
    The Negative... 220lbs but runs like he's 240. Below average speed and quickness, he won't make people miss in space, he can be indecisive in cut back lanes and miss the hole.

    Verdict: 5th round pick. The kind of guy we try to develop like Michael Turner.

    Joe McKnight- The positive...fast, quick, exellent at the perimeter and in the passing game. Productive against good competition in college.
    The Negative....Often runs out of control and will juke himself out of a big play, doesn't break tackles hardly at all, thin/brittle frame and he's constantly nicked up.

    Verdict: Early 3rd round pick. Reminds me of Leon Washington, I'm not sure he fits if we're keeping Sproles.

    Jahvid Best- The Positive....extremely quick and fast, great vision, can line up at WR, keeps legs churning after contact and is tougher than people think.
    The Negative....won't push the pile, DURABILITY is a major concern due to his thin frame.

    Verdict: Late 1st, early 2nd round pick.....if we trade Sproles and Mathews is off the board I would seriously consider taking him. Reminds me more of Chris Johnson than CJ Spiller does, but the durability makes him high risk.
     
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    why don't you start a thread about them?
     
  30. Buck Melanoma

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    That's why Bell posted in the top 5 in the 20 & 60 shuttles & the broad jump. And was very productive in college & impressed the coaches at the Senior Bowl.

    Watch some game tape instead of reading your favorite mock draft guru's take. :lol:

    Or you could do like me & actually attend some games & go to a Pro Day, like I'm doing with Coker. :yes:
     

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