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AJ! The AX is at your FEET!

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Tony daTiger, Feb 14, 2007.

  1. Tony daTiger

    Tony daTiger BoltTalker

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    The Chargers under the stewardship of AJ Smith should never have been exposed the the loss of the top three coach/staff in the first place. This isn't hindsight! A GM needs to protect the organization against this very scenario. AJ should have foreseen the raid on the staff when the chargers were ten and two. AJ should have locked the Staff up for at worse the "New" Coach. What, Camaron, Phillips weren't good enough to be backups! for Marty's job? The writing was on the wall or at least should have been. What would it have cost to retain Cam and Wade? A two million signing bonus, plus three/four million a year? Plus Marty's four million. Now Spanos is eyeing eight plus million a year and Two million signing bonus for a unproven candidate for just the Coaching position to be given to a person that has already "Failed" other interviews.
    AJ needs to be held accountable for this NOW!
     
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  2. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Please, please no red bombing the new poster.

    Welcome to the forum!
     
  3. Tony daTiger

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    The Chargers under the stewardship of AJ Smith, should never have been exposed the the loss of the top three coach/staff, in the first place. This isn't hindsight! A GM needs to protect the organization against this very scenario. AJ should have foreseen the raid on the staff, when the chargers were ten and two. AJ should have locked the Staff up for at worse, the "New" Coach. What? Camaron, Phillips weren't good enough to be backups! for Marty's job? The writing was on the wall, or at least should have been. What would it have cost to retain Cam and Wade? A two million signing bonus, plus three/four million a year? Plus Marty's four million. A total of under twelve million. Now Spanos is eyeing eight plus million a year and Two million signing bonus just for a unproven candidate, for just the Coaching position to be given to a person that has already "Failed" other interviews. Same costs but for people who know the winning system!
    AJ needs to be held accountable for this NOW!
     
  4. Electric Chair

    Electric Chair Well-Known Member

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    Teams can't block coaches from becoming Head Coaches. There is nothing that we could have done to protect/keep Wade or Cam as both men wanted to become Head Coaches. They wouldn't have stayed for money.

    The other coaches that left did so because Marty granted them permission against AJ's will. Marty has (had) the final say-so in ALL coaching matters as it pertains to who can interview for another job and who can't. He let everyone interview even though he lost both top assistants, which is why got his dumb *** run out of town.
     
  5. Trumpet_Man

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    You are missing the point there is NOTHING anyone can do to stop a coordinator moving up the ladder. The NFL allows this.

    Dean Spanos wanted to keep as many coaches as possible yet Marty chose to let 3 or 4 more assistants split. This is after Dean said he wanted to keep as many as possible. Marty basically told Dean to go fuc himself by allowing assistant coaches to leave which Marty did not have to do. Bad move on Marty's part to exert his authority in that manner therefore....goodbye.
     
  6. Electric Chair

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    Teams can't block coaches from becoming Head Coaches. There is nothing that we could have done to protect/keep Wade or Cam as both men wanted to become Head Coaches. They wouldn't have stayed for money.

    The other coaches that left did so because Marty granted them permission against AJ's will. Marty has (had) the final say-so in ALL coaching matters as it pertains to who can interview for another job and who can't. He let everyone interview even though he lost both top assistants, which is why got his dumb *** run out of town.
     
  7. Boltjolt

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    My question is this:

    IF AJ already said "no" to the other coaches being interviewed like Manusky...then how did Marty letting them get their opportunity allow them to be interviewed if they wer already denied to other teams?

    How does Marty's words trump AJ's which allowed to coaches be interviewed?
     
  8. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    Marty has specific language in his contract which allows him to choose his assistants so he exercised his contractural right.
     
  9. Electric Chair

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    It's part of the "dysfunctional system" that was in place.

    AJ could only make suggestions in regards to the coaching staff. Final say-so came down to Marty.

    AJ didn't reject anyone.
     
  10. Thunderstruck

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    Decisions on coaches was Marty's realm. It was in his contract.

    To me it's like if you hired a guy to be the manager of a McDonald's franchise and gave him hire/fire authority. If he kept hiring gang-bangers and lazy surfer-dudes who called in sick three times a week you would revoke his hire/fire authority. Unfortunately, AJ couldn't revoke Marty's hire/fire authority because it was written into the contract. So when Marty started making coaching decisions that were unacceptable to AJ it left the front-office with no recourse. They either had to accept the coaches Marty hired or fire Marty. There was no real in-between.
     
  11. Electric Chair

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    Contractual language that I am certain will be remedied with the next hire...
     
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    :icon_rofl:
     
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    AJ and Marty are a lot alike. They're both stubborn and they both had strong convictions that their plan was the right plan. But what we are talking about right now is the big difference. AJ had the power to fire Marty in the past but never did because his boss (Dean) wasn't in favor of it. Marty on the other hand could care less what his boss (AJ) wanted. AJ isn't the most amicable person but at least we all know he's 100% committed to the Chargers and the organization.
     
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    boltssbbound made the best point of the day regarding this. Marty was committed to his staff and players, AJ is committed to the organization.

    Letting your entire staff walk might be the best thing for them individually, but it fuqs the organization in the pooper; so sayanara.

    Something tells me that AJ and Dean learned a valuable lesson about keeping a lame duck coach with this mess. Marty should have been canned the second he rejected the extension.
     
  15. nickelbolt

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    I have come around and now fully accept the notion that Marty did this so he could force their hand and get paid. Otherwise, he would not have allowed Chud and Manusky to go. He would have simply told the Browns and Niners to wait for interviews until after Wade completes his interview process.

    But instead he just let them walk. He had finally had enough. So the final straw was trying to bring in his brother.

    Now I'm ok with how things went down because I see that Dean had no other choice.. But I want to see him do the right thing now.
     
  16. Thunderstruck

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    Actually, I think in terms of management styles, AJ and Marty are completely opposite, and that's what led to most of the conflicts.

    Marty is an old-school manager who makes deals with a handshake and is loyal to those who are his friends. He tries to establish a "family-atmosphere" in the work-place and encourages employees to form strong bonds and friendships. If someone screw up Marty will forgive them...often repeatedly...because he believes in people. He is personally very good at what he does but his tendency to get too attached means he sometimes is not making the pragmatic decision, and he can be blinded at times by loyalty.

    AJ is from the new school. He's all about results. He understands that a practical approach is necessary and he tries to keep his distance emotionally from his employees. He believes in delegating responsibility and then holding those to whom he gives that responsibility accountable for their failures. He is personally very good at what he does but his tendency to be too detached means he sometimes is perceived as cold and arrogant. He will make the pragmatic decision no matter how much emotion might dictate he do otherwise, which angers fans and those who don't buy-in to AJ's results-oriented philosophy.

    Marty believes in gut-instinct and making decisions based upon those instincts.

    AJ believes in a measured approach, a bureaucratic mindset, collective thinking, pow-wows...arriving at decisions as a group after acquiring information through due-dilligence and hashing it over.

    Marty believes in keeping players a year too long.

    AJ believes in getting rid of players a year early.

    Marty believes players must prove themselves as backups over a long period before they'll get playing time.

    AJ believes young players should see a lot of action because they'll develop more quickly.

    Marty's the kind of coach who gave Elvis Grbac his starting job back at QB after Grbac returned from and injury--even though the team was obviously better with Rich Gannon--the explanation being that starters should not lose thier jobs because of an injury.

    AJ would've kept Gannon and traded Grbac.

    The two men were bound to clash.

    I predict our next coach will be a guy who can inspire his players to play for him without becoming too emotionally attached to individual players and coaches to the point of being unable to make the pragmatic decision when needed.
     
  17. Tony daTiger

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    Money and a good 3 year contract would have slowed them down to a crawl. The Staff knew that Marty had only one year left at best!
    AJ didn't even give the Staff a chance to negotiate before Marty let them interview.
     
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    Money and a good 3 year contract would have slowed them down to a crawl. The Staff knew that Marty had only one year left at best!
    AJ didn't even give the Staff a chance to negotiate before Marty let them interview.
     
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    Why post the same thread three times?

    I didn't cornhole his rep.
     
  20. Tony daTiger

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    Money and a good 3 year contract would have slowed them down to a crawl. The Staff knew that Marty had only one year left at best!
    AJ didn't even give the Staff a chance to negotiate before Marty let them interview.
     
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    Money and a good 3 year contract would have slowed them down to a crawl. The Staff knew that Marty had only one year left at best!
    AJ didn't even give the Staff a chance to negotiate before Marty let them interview.
     
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    Money and a good 3 year contract would have slowed them down to a crawl. The Staff knew that Marty had only one year left at best!
    AJ didn't even give the Staff a chance to negotiate before Marty let them interview.
     
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    Money and a good 3 year contract would have slowed them down to a crawl. The Staff knew that Marty had only one year left at best!
    AJ didn't even give the Staff a chance to negotiate before Marty let them interview.
     
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    Okay. What is the "right thing" ???

    Not badgering, just curious .......
     
  25. Tony daTiger

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    Money and a good 3 year contract would have slowed them down to a crawl. The Staff knew that Marty had only one year left at best!
    AJ didn't even give the Staff a chance to negotiate before Marty let them interview.
     
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    YOu overlook the obvious. Marty had already given the assistants the chance to interview before the chargers knew what was to happen to wade and CAm. Then the assistants getting higher coaching positons negated anything the chargers could do at the time.

    Marty should have not allowed the assistants the chance to interview till the chargers knew what was to become of wade and CAm.
     
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    The consecutive posts by TDT should not count towards his total post count.

    jes sayin :icon_eek: :icon_evil:
     
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    But his spelling was correct in each post. The kids talented.:tup:
     
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    why deny your assistants the chance to improve thier NFL careers. would you rather work for a team thats going to support your improved success or not give you the option to advance your career.

    This puts this out there for other people who might be interested in working for the chargers its not a place to advance.
     
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    You don't deny them that chance--unless you've already lost assistants and you find yourself getting to the point where losing more assistants hurts the franchise. Then you have to say "no." Most franchises don't have to worry about it because they'll only lose one or two coaches in a given offseason. At that point it's easy to stick with the "we don't want to stand in the way of coaches advancing" mindset. But when you've already lost a coordinator and a key offensive assistant and you're in danger of losing your other coordinator...and the front-office tells you "look, we need to keep Manusky," the head coach better take that to heart.
     

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