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ANALYSIS: Jackson controls fate with Chargers

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Aug 24, 2010.

  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    By Kevin Acee , UNION-TRIBUNE
    Tuesday, August 24, 2010 at 6:37 p.m.



    This is Vincent Jackson’s call.

    He and agents Neil Schwartz and Jonathan Feinsod can lower their asking price, or else Jackson is virtually guaranteed to remain tied to the Chargers through this season and perhaps, unhappily, beyond.

    The Seattle Seahawks are the sole team granted permission by the Chargers to speak with Jackson’s agents, but only the extremely naive would think no other team has broached the subject of signing Jackson.

    Among those suitors could have been the Minnesota Vikings, who league and agent sources said immediately balked at the same $50 million, five-year contract (with $30 million guaranteed) over which Seattle stopped talks with Jackson.

    The Vikings on Tuesday signed receiver Javon Walker.

    Whether Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith should open up the bidding for Jackson to all but the other AFC West teams is a valid question. (He should.)

    But it is also moot at this point, because several league sources said in recent days that no one is willing to promise $10 million a year to a player with Jackson’s baggage and inexperience. Jackson has led the NFL in yards per catch over the past two seasons, but two seasons is a relatively small body of work to deserve such a mega contract. Moreover, Jackson has been arrested twice for driving under the influence, something that led to him being suspended the first three games this season.

    Jackson and left tackle Marcus McNeill sat out offseason workouts, skipped training camp and are believed to be committed to sitting out this season rather than risk injury while awaiting long-term contracts. Both restricted free agents, they were originally offered tenders in excess of $3 million. When they did not sign by June 15, those tenders were reduced by more than $2.5 million. The team recently placed both on the Roster Exempt List, meaning neither can play for three games after the date they sign and report.

    The Chargers have been known for months to be open to considering trades for Jackson but have not made it clear to teams what their requirements for the Pro Bowl receiver would be. Sources said the Seahawks floated the asking price of second-rounder in league circles. It will likely take more than that – the Denver Broncos in April got two second-round picks from the Miami Dolphins for Brandon Marshall -- and it is not beyond Smith to set the price high, knowing he could keep Jackson until he becomes unrestricted and then cash in with a compensatory pick.

    But no team is going to part with a high draft pick(s) without agreeing to a multi-year deal first.

    The standstill might not matter to Jackson.

    League and sources in the agent community have confirmed that his ability to forego a salary is due to the financial backing of Schwartz and Feinsod, with the understanding the agents will be paid back after Jackson receives the mega contract they are seeking.

    When Jackson is able to get that deal is further clouded by the uncertainty over the NFL’s labor situation and a possible lockout after the 2010 season.

    While the current Collective Bargaining Agreement between players and owners states that a restricted free agent who does not play in a league year remains under the control of his team the following year, the NFL Players Association has told numerous agents that it believes such players’ freedom will be negotiated in a new CBA. However, that is certainly not guaranteed, as teams will argue differently.

    Adding to the intrigue is that Feinsod and Schwartz also represent the New York Jets' Darrelle Revis, who is holding out while in search of the most money ever paid a cornerback. It’s difficult to imagine Jackson being a front-burner issue for the agents, considering the giant storm that has surrounded the Revis negotiations.

    Not that it matters.

    The difference between the Revis and Jackson situations is that the Jets want Revis to remain with them long-term.

    Sources within the organization have confirmed the Chargers ultimately decided to not keep Jackson long-term after he was cited for driving on a suspended license the morning of the Chargers’ playoff game last January.

    So if Jackson wants a long-term deal anytime soon, he needs to get it elsewhere. At this point, he is the one who can make that closer to happening.
     
  2. szarmes

    szarmes I am the Walrus

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    It's gonna be great when we win the Superbowl without Vincent Jackson.. He'll have to live with not playing in it and not getting a ring for the rest of his life
     
  3. ThunderHorse17

    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    I just thought it must hurt to hear on websites all the comments from the team about the chemistry this year. Weddle on the secondary and PR and Gates on the O.

    Sucks too I was thinkin on how all last year when I was saying VJ needs to get paid soon for workin for less than a Mill at the #1 WR spot. And now the time comes around and hes gotten punchdrunk and thinks hes already worth 10 mil a year... I would have paid him round 7 and prob would have adjusted the contract half way throu to give more $ if it was earned in the 3 years.

    Now piss on him. :/
     
  4. Boltergeist

    Boltergeist BoltTalker

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    I'm so sick of Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeill right now. It will almost be satisfying just to watch them follow their greedy agents down the path of sitting out the season and watch their careers go down the toilet. No "I" in Team mother effers.
     
  5. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    VJack has to be pretty embarrassed at this point, the Seahawks and Vikings have as good as laughed in his face. How can he not realize NOBODY ON PLANET EARTH thinks as much of him as he does of himself.

    If he lowered his demands to a sane level I wouldn't mind seeing AJ lock him up, but I think the bridge has been burned.
     
  6. MasterOfPuppets

    MasterOfPuppets Charger fan since 1979

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    This is the only reason why I think there is a very slight chance both would report by week 7 (or whenever they have to).

    Other than that I don't see long term deals for any of them
     
  7. Alpenbolt

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    These guys will report and be playing in week 11.

    I think having their agents pay them while they are putzing around while they sit and when they come back is a great solution. Somehow I don't think the agents will paying them at a 10M per year clip though.
     
  8. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    He basically has two options

    1) Swallow it and lower his price to get out of SD and play again this year and beyond
    2) Pout and be stubborn by not lowering his price and probably not play football in 2010

    The choice is his
     
  9. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    So he could sit and make about 600k this year, risking a lockout next year and potentially not playing a single down for 2 full seasons at which point his value is easily cut in half if not worse....

    Or he could be reasonable and take a deal around 5yrs 35mil becoming a rich man, and eligable for FA again around the age of 32 where he'll probably still have the skills to cash in again.....

    gee wiz, what would I do?:icon_shrug:
     
  10. RM24

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    I'm with you regarding VJ and MM. I was big fans of both but obviously they took some bad advice from their agents and wanted huge mega contracts when they should have done the right thing and report to camp and then maybe AJ would have probably have offered a fair deal (maybe). I myself am moving on without them. We thought we couldn't survive without Jamal, and we go 13-3. We may have lost 2 great players, but I believe 2 great players will emerge in their place and those guys will be left out in the cold with their agents. Good luck to both of those guys. They'll need it..... Next......
     
  11. Buck Melanoma

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    VJ will be a Redskin.
     
  12. markrc99

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    Kevin Acne can svck my fuq'n c0ck, ok! Reportedly, I see nothing stating that permission was granted, nor any formal talks between Jackson & Minnesota! Then this cheap whore contradicts himself. He acknowledges that the Chargers should open the bidding, then contends that it's irrelevant to do so. Besides Jackson's off-field adventures, he actually cites Jackson's inexperience as an issue. He contradicts himself a second time as he trashes Jackson, then packages Smith's demands beyond what Denver did with Brandon Marshall, as legitimate. Then, complicating the matter further and without a shred of proof, he suggests that Jackson's agent has greater priorities, namely, Darrell Revis. I wouldn't so much as wipe my *** with this garbage.

    All we're getting here is the same regurgitation that has been flatly refuted, 'cept he is adding a serious dose of disinformation and conjecture to the "story." This nonsense that whichever team signs Jackson (or McNeill for that matter), has no choice but to assume all the risk, is an argument that has been completely crushed! Masterofpuppets cites part of a sentence that contends that Jackson's status will be a matter of contention even with a new CBA. While the split of revenue may be negotiated, I would find it very unlikely that the players would be willing to go back to greater restrictions of movement. Freedom of movement and compensation are closely related and affects every player, not just these few guys out in limbo right now.

    Here's the back side of the sentence cited: "... the NFL Players Association has told numerous agents that it believes such players’ freedom will be negotiated in a new CBA." That Jackson's camp won't accept anything less than what's reported is also an unsubstantiated charge. This report makes it all the clearer that any real journalistic insight will not be forthcoming. The issue is the same today as it was yesterday! Again, why is Seattle the only team granted access? Are reports suggesting that Washington has considerable interest in Jackson true? If so, why have they been denied access?

    Some have taken issue with the redundancy of my argument. You haven't read this sh!+ Acne just put out 50 times already? And I'll remind you, he's part of what passes for official, mainstream media. I agree with Buck, Jackson will eventually be wearing Burgundy & Gold, the only question is when. It is in fact Smith who is preventing progress here. True, Smith can sit on Jackson and still get a compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd rd, at best. Jackson is done in San Diego and if the Chargers are being offered something better, Smith owes it to betterment of the team to take it!
     
  13. DenverBolt67

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    I really hope they are not just counting on the Comp pick. Getting a mid-late 2nd in 2011 or a really late 3rd or 4th, it isn't really a choice. Plus, the sooner he is traded, the sooner the controversy is gone and the team can move on. I don't get why AJ hasn't allowed VJ and his agent to talk to all NFC teams. I just can't grasp what the reasoning is
     
  14. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I think so too.
     
  15. BlueandGold

    BlueandGold The Oracle

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    If all the interviews and press conferences and remarks from players, coaches, and AJ Smith himself are accurate, the team "moved on" long ago. I know I've moved on - I don't really think of them as Chargers anymore, and won't until they get into practice. At this point, I'm just sick of hearing about them.

    It's just MM and VJ fans that haven't "moved on" at this point.
     
  16. Boltergeist

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    I think so three. It makes the most sense. Shanarat knows VJ all too well....he loves big, fast receivers and throwing downfield....McNabb loves VJ...the Redskins will overspend without much concern. They also historically place more value on free agency than the draft so will gladly cough up a 2012 2nd rounder for him.
     
  17. Retired Catholic

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    This should be a no brainer for VJ, but then, the brains appear to be in short enough of a supply for even that to be too much of a conclusion to leap to. My reading is that if he doesn't report by the seventh game, we have his rights for another year. That leaves his options us or Canada.
     
  18. ntman68

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    You have earned a spot on the ignore list. Well done.
     
  19. CoronaDoug

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    It took you this long? :icon_shrug: :lol:
     
  20. BlueandGold

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    You're putting VJ on ignore? Who do you think you are, AJ Smith? :icon_tease:
     
  21. Buck Melanoma

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    At least now your true motives for being here have become crystal clear.

    Hail to the Foreskins!!! :icon_banana:

    And before you feed me a buncha sh!t, know that I live roughly 100 miles from DC so I know of what I speak. :icon_tease:
     
  22. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Dan Snyder!? Is that you?!
     
  23. Boltdiehard

    Boltdiehard Well-Known Member

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    Have another drink VJ.

    This guy is going to have another run-in with johnny law.
     
  24. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    totally agree :yes:

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