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AP source: Union considering decertification vote

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Sep 12, 2010.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    AP source: Union considering decertification vote - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

    NEW YORK (AP)—The NFL Players Association is handing out voting cards to the players that could lead to decertification of the union.

    A person familiar with the union’s plans told The Associated Press on Saturday that players from all 32 teams will be asked to consider decertification, which could prevent the owners from locking out the players after the collective bargaining agreement expires in March.

    The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the union has not announced its plans.

    Should the union decertify, it could have the right to sue the league under antitrust laws if the players are locked out. It is sending out voting cards now because, logistically, getting enough signatures after the season would be difficult, if not impossible.

    The story was first reported by the Sports Business Journal, which cited a source as saying the New Orleans Saints already voted to decertify.

    “This is purely a procedural matter and is a non-story until March,” George Atallah, the NFLPA’s assistant executive director, told the AP.

    A letter sent to NFLPA membership has outlined to the players what voting for decertification would mean. DeMaurice Smith, the union’s executive director, frequently has said he expects the owners to lock out the players.

    Smith will be meeting with each team over the next few weeks.

    The letter also says if the union does not decertify before March and the expiration of the CBA, it can’t sue the league for six months.

    Decertification also would strip the union of collective bargaining rights on behalf of the players, and could affect marketing of the players through NFL Players, the marketing arm of the union.

    The NFL said it has no comment on the union’s action.

    In 1989, two years after a failed players’ strike, the NFLPA decertified. It returned as a union in 1993, when a contract was reached with the league that provided for free agency. That landmark CBA was renewed or restructured several times since 1993, including in 2006. The owners opted out of that deal in 2008.
     
  2. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    Any attempts by the NFLPA to decertify is a SHAM. The NFLPA even agreed it would be a sham when they signed the CBA.

    Here is the CBA verbage:

    http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/cba/nfl-cba-2006-2012.pdf

    Section 3. CBA Expiration:
    (a) Following the expiration of the express term of this Agreement,
    then, if the NFLPA is in existence as a union, the Parties agree that none of
    the Class Members (as defined in the Settlement Agreement) nor any player
    represented by the NFLPA shall be able to commence an action, or assert
    a claim, under the antitrust laws for conduct occurring, until either: (i)
    the Management Council and NFLPA have bargained to impasse; or (ii) six
    (6) months after such expiration, whichever is later; at that time, the Parties
    reserve any arguments they may make regarding the application of the
    labor exemption.
    (b) The Parties agree that, after the expiration of the express term of
    this Agreement, in the event that at that time or any time thereafter a majority
    of players indicate that they wish to end the collective bargaining status
    of the NFLPA on or after expiration of this Agreement, the NFL and its
    Clubs and their respective heirs, executors, administrators, representatives,
    agents, successors and assigns waive any rights they may have to assert any
    antitrust labor exemption defense based upon any claim that the termination
    by the NFLPA of its status as a collective bargaining representative is
    or would be a
    sham, pretext, ineffective, requires additional steps, or has
    not in fact occurred.
     
  3. Concudan

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    Again, if the NFLPA decertifies the CBA goes away. How does a document that goes away prevent anything?

    Further, the CBA expires in March, are you arguing that the NFLPA are held to the agreements FROM THE CBA you keep posting after that very document expires?!

    C'mon man, this is simple stuff. No CBA, no agreement. Simple... Catch up already... :lol:
     
  4. Trumpet_Man

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    It seems to be a common misconception that just because the owners opted out or the union de-certifies, somehow that acts as a big eraser for the CBA.

    Soneone else said the CBA was now null and void.

    Another poster here does not realize RFA's require 5 years (like VJ) due to the uncapped year.

    WTF are you speading here ?

    Maybe Ed McGuire should have called it the Armageddeon Rule in the CBA to get attentions in case the owners opt or the union decertifies ?

    There are provisions for the doomsday scenario all the way to 2012 in the CBA despite the owners opting out or a de-certification which was already agreed upon would be a sham. I gave you the page reference.

    The owners had until Nov 2009 to opt out which they did for the final two years of the CBA. That initiated the uncapped rules and provisions in the CBA. Some here think just because the owners opted out, there is no CBA today. That is ignorant.
     
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    Please provide something stating that the CBA does NOT expire in March.
     
  6. LV Bolt Fan

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    Try reading what I actually said about "Null & Void"
    It's right here in post #64
    http://bolttalk.com/chargers-fan-fo...on-could-coming-within-week-3.html#post620643
     
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    Who said the CBA DOES NOT EXPIRE IN MARCH 2011 ?

    This is the final league year.

    We have a CBA in place THIS year despite the owners opting out.
     
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    So how does the CBA prevent decertification? The articles and information HAVE BEEN CLEAR, the NFLPA are looking to decertify after March 2011. So what exactly are you saying is a sham again? The decertification or your knowledge of the CBA and its implications? :lol:
     
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    After March is too late because they would have to wait 6 months to file suit. That little provision is in the CBA as well.
    This is why they are collecting votes NOW.

    Where did you read the players would decertify after March ? That is ignorant. It is EASIER TO GET THE VOTES NOW WHEN THE PLAYERS ALL ALL HERE INSTEAD OF ALL OVER THE PLANET OR IN THE OFF SEASON.

    Get your mind right.
     
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    Where again does this say AFTER MARCH 2011 ?

    This place is going to the dogs.
     
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    I know it is hard for you but do try and keep up. I was responding to your diatribe about any decertification talk being a 'sham'. I have shown that while you may have done a word search and found something, you clearly did not know what it meant.

    The CBA goes away in March of 2011, decertification after that is not a sham, further you do not know what you are putting out there as fact.

    If you look, the story clearly states “This is purely a procedural matter and is a non-story until March,” George Atallah, the NFLPA’s assistant executive director, told the AP. Therefore decertification would not come until after March.

    Therefore there is no 'sham'. Your self proclaimed knowledge of the CBA is lacking as is your perspective on what is happening. So when you say "Some fans know more than the NFLPA's lawyers" it is simply your self promoting bravado, and it is false at that.

    Thank you for taking the time to share with us your false bravado.
     
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    Why do you ADD your opinion to the article instead of putting it in a different paragraph ?

    Your "Therefore" I highlighted contradicts what the NFLPA is trying to do.

    If the Union de-certifies AFTER THE CBA HAS EXPIRED MARCH 2011 - THE PLAYERS OR THE NFLPA CAN NOT FILE A LAWSUIT FOR 6 MONTHS.

    Do the math.

    The lawsuit would start late August or September 2011 maybe even October at the EARLIEST.

    THE PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THAT TO HAPPEN SO THEY de-certify before the CBA expires and they do not have to wait 6 months to file individual suits.

    So learn from the master and kiss my greatness.

    That is all.
     
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    Tony, you lost. Go find what ever solace you can.
     
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    It is BS to alter articles or add your opinion to support your position.

    That is misinformation for the posters. They deserve to know the truth instead of being devious in altering articles.

    The CBA clearly states any attempts to decertify is basically a "sham"

    Those are pretty strong words to use in a contract called the CBA which everyone signs when they enter the league

    To skillfully dance around and ignore and redirect for mindless purposes other than confusing people who otherwise want to know the truth is a waste of time. This **** should be considered GOLD for people to get a grasp on because I remember the freaking strike. It helps to know versus spreading warped senses of self.
     
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    Dude. Nothing was altered. Look at what is italicized and what is not. Further look at the first post and what is in the link. Again. You lost dude, show some dignity.

    I will give you that you are defending your sham fiasco with all the false bravado turmpetman is known for. However if the CBA expires there is no CBA so it does not matter what the expired document says. Ponder on that and learn.
     
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    This is blatant mis-representation of a quoted source.

    You know better.

    The italics are direct quotes from the source. Anything added after that are the writers thoughts who wrote that article and not yours as you added to the end.

    That is bad bad bad and you should be ashamed for trying that stunt.

    Shame on you. Shame shame shame.
     
  18. Concudan

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    LMFAO! It is not misrepresenting any quote. I wrote it after itaisizing the information. You can sell it as what ever you like, your desperation to save some sort of face after showing your lack of understanding of several things is quite amusing. Please keep it up...
     
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    Shame on you..

    Even with your attempt to alter a quoted source you failed to realize you contradicted the article in attempts to be right. Jesus christ. Read the article. I even highlighted your contradiction of the players trying to decert BEFORE the CBA expires yet you dance.

    Typical.

    You got embarassed is what happened. Schooled.
     
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    Ahhh no. But I doubt you can understand your foolishness. Simply put, you are no expert on the CBA, you fail to grasp basic logic and continue to pound your chest and claim you are all that and a bag of chips. If that makes you fell good, go for it.

    I will going forward know when you talk about the CBA, you are doing so from a position of blissful ignorance and be able to ignore you properly.

    That you try and make me out to be altering anything is your final show of pathetic desperation.
     
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    In my best Trumpet Man voice "This is a sham. The CBA is very simple and doesn't need a lawyer to understand what it says. The League and NFLPA have wasted millions and millions of lawyers fees for no reason. Anyone on a message board can clearly understand all the nuances of this 200+ page contract that covers hundreds of people and million of dollars"
     
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    Shame on you.

    Shame.

    Shame.

    Shame.
     

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