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Based on this year's draft

Discussion in 'NFL Draft' started by charger1993, Jun 10, 2012.

  1. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    What positions would you take round by round, i wanna get everyone opinions now before the season starts to see the change.
    1.ILB
    2.CB
    3.RB
    4.OLB
    5.OT
    6.LG
    7.WR
     
  2. Buck Melanoma

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    I suppose you mean for 2013?
     
  3. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    yea 2013, im just curious
     
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    1 CB
    2 Safety
    3 RT
    4 ILB
    5 RB
    6 WR
    7 LG
     
  5. Buck Melanoma

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    CB
    ILB
    NT
    RT
    OLB
    LG/C
    WR
     
  6. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    alright, both differnet, lets see how it changes during the season
     
  7. Buck Melanoma

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    Mine was admittedly just a quick laundry list. I do think we'll be needing to look for Spikes' replacement, at least in rotation, & a guy to rotate with Cam. The development of Wright will affect CB.
     
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    A work in progress, I don't see the Lombardi here any time soon:(
     
  9. Duffman57

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    I'd go...

    1. CB
    2. OLB
    3. NT (depending who's there)/OL
    4. WR
    5. RB
    6. OL
    7. NT (if we dont take one at 3)

    Why does everyone see such a big need in ILB??? We're stacked there. We have our future in Butler, Mouton, very solid backup in Demorrio Williams, Spikes is probably done after this year or the next, Gatchkar is looking promising as a 3rd down coverage backer/STer type. We may need 1 more guy for depth, but beyond that, sinking a 1st into the position is useless. And for those hoping for Te'o....he's not very good, and he will be even worse if he's playing in a 3-4, he cant shed blocks to save his freaking life...
     
  10. Buck Melanoma

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    Mouton has proven zip. Gatchkar has proven zip. Williams is a backup - the career type. I'd like to see a little more *** for the middle of this D.
     
  11. Duffman57

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    Butler hadn't proven crap before last year. Saying we need someone because a guy is inexperienced is freaking stupid. We were confident enough to sink a 2nd round pick in Mouton last year, he got hurt this year, nothing terrible that should have any lasting effects. That really is a position that we're gonna have to wait and see at to see what Mouton does this year, but making it the #1 priority because we have a young player that we think is going to be our future at the position and we're just gonna give up on him this year?

    Yeah not gonna happen, regardless of how he plays this year, theres a 0% chance that we give up on a 2nd round pick after just a year and a redshirt year (more or less). There's also nobody thats any good in this draft anyway other than maybe CJ Mosely or Nico Johnson
     
  12. charger1993

    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    I dont see why you hate so much on Te'o, he's a very good ILB, we dont need a ILB that can blitz every down, we need one to cover, make good tackles, and strike fear into people. Him and butler could be a great talent in the middle for years to come. Every body is addressing ILB because we have 1 good young one " butler", gachkar who is a special teamer, and mounton who had reports saying he played like Siler. Siler was good but never great, I dont want to sound ignorant but Say TE'O out loud and slowly does it remind you of another LB we use to have???. nice johnson is nothing but speed, and mosely im not a huge fan of. NExt years draft also has no decent CB's worth a first round grade IMO, BUT i would take T.J. Mcdonald at the safety position
     
  13. Buck Melanoma

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    I didn't make it my #1 priority. Read again - CB is my #1 & I hope the young guys change that. Maybe Mouton will too. For now, with Spikes age, I'm quite willing to keep it at the #2 priority.

    With some of the decisions we've seen from this FO in the draft in recent years, I have no reason to believe that Mouton's pick in the 2nd is that much of an indicator on it's own. Just as I was with Butler, I hope to be presently surprised. As of now, that hope & a couple of bucks may get me a cup of coffee.
     
  14. Duffman57

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    Wasn't talking about you, the first post is what i talked about.
     
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    Te'o has (at least since HS), and will never do that in his life...

    Te'o gets all the hype because he's a big *** samoan dude, who's a crazy good athlete with the hype coming out of HS, and has had some success and has put up some tackle numbers. He's probably at best as a 43 SAM. He's great in coverage, and a great athlete, a big LB who is pretty good off the edge. His problem is that he's softer than a baby's bottom and refuses to ever take on a god damn block. He can't play with Butler because their very similar players, except Butler is WAY better vs. the run. If anything we need a guy who's more of that classical 3-4 ILB thumper type (the Mike that Spikes plays now).


    That would be awesome if Mouton could play like Siler. Siler's biggest problem was that he was stiff as a freaking board..., which is absolutely one of Mouton's strong suits, he's not fast and will never cover anyone 1 on 1, but he's a beast in zone with incredibly fluid hips (former S).

    I haven't watched much if any film on the ILB corps for this year (other than Te'o since i was thinking he was going to be in this past draft class).

    Wait so Ammerson, Xavier Rhodes, Banks, Milner dont get first round grades for you? WHAT???? Milner's debatable, but the rest of um are no doubters at this point for 1st round CB's.
     
  16. Buck Melanoma

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    You quoted me.
     
  17. Duffman57

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    Yeah i know, but i was talking to both you and the guy who put it really high up, wasn't just singling you out. But either way, top 2 priority is pretty similar regardless.
     
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    If we were gonna take a classic 3-4 thumper we should have took Donta hightower in this year's draft, Te'o is an amzing athlete with amazing instincts. hes not great at shedding blocks but he can be further coached to do a better job. For the corner backs, ha Xavier rhodes has bust written all over him, he got toasted by a freshman wide receiver, rhodes plays off to often letting up big plays, Banks could be a good corner havent watched to much film, milner no, dont like at all, and ammerson is a decent CB
     
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    1. BPA at a position other than RB, FB, QB, K, or P
    2. BPA at a position other than RB, FB, QB, K, or P
    3. BPA at a position other than RB, FB, QB, K, or P
    4. BPA at a position other than K or P
    5. BPA at a position other than K or P
    6. BPA at a position other than K or P
    7. BPA at a position other than K or P

    Drafting based on need is silly. I have no idea what the team will look like going into the offseason next year, or who will be available in the draft. It looks like CB will be an upcoming need for us, but who knows? G could be a huge need for us, so could SS, NT, TE, RB, or WR. To me, and this is certainly not an expert draftnik opinion, but the teams which appear to have added the most to their teams were the ones that stayed put or traded back and accumulated picks through the 1st 3 rounds, rather than the teams that burned picks to get into the top 15, which is likely where teams will have to move to get the "target" players at the marquee positions in coming years, given the lowered contract burdens under the current CBA.
     
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    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    See thats the thing, you dont know, so far everybody opinions have been different, its just getting a basic understanding of how people see the team, and from the different views
     
  21. Ikeman83

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    If I had to guess what our biggest future needs for the team will be then I'd put them in this order (although that's not what the OP asked for):
    CB
    ILB NT C SS OLB
    RT LG WR TE
    LT RG DE RB
    QB K P
     
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  22. Duffman57

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    He can't be further coached not to be a soft piece of **** though. We didn't take Hightower/whoever else this year because WE DONT NEED AN ILB...especially at this point. Mouton hasn't proven anything, and he's essentially a 2nd round rookie, SO WHAT, we're not just wasting a 2nd round draft pick for some guy who's gonna be a STer and a career backup for us, we chose him to start and take over for TKO, SO GIVE HIM A FREAKING CHANCE...

    As for the Corners, i usually defer the scouting to others and make my own oppinions off theirs, i cant stand trying to scout CB's. The only way you can really properly scout S's/WRs/CBs is to have real game tape that you can see the whole field in. ESPN cuts off the secondary on most plays so you cant see anything thats goin on with them, so therefore i refuse to scout them...plain and simple.
     
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    charger1993 bad motherfucker

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    Dude he's not soft, i personally think hes a great prospect, Mounton i was never high on but i will give him a chance. IM just saying every player ive hollared i didnt like from day one, has sucked. English, Buster and hester...
     
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    Yes, he is. I've watched a lot of him, lemme know the first time you see him truly square up a block and do anything other than get blocked out of a play because he tried to just get around a block rather than take on a block to help clog the hole.

    And i'm sure that you've NEVER been wrong about any other player than those three that just happened to be our biggest busts....:rolleyes:
     
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    Ive been wrong im not saying that, im just saying ive called a good bit of players, cromartie i didnt like injury prone, cason i didnt like, i only wanted talib at the cb position, And Te'o has taken on blocks and cloged the holes, he might not do it to often, but he does do it. He'd gonna be a good player that we pass on. watch
     
  26. Ikeman83

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    Cromartie has missed 1 game in his 6 year career. Talib is, I believe going to jail.
     
  27. Buck Melanoma

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    Charges were dropped against Talib. It's in Daddy Goodell's hands now.

    Injuries & athleticism aren't Cro's issues. More like testicular fortitude. On the football field, that is. ;)
     
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    1- OT - either Gaither played great, gave Rivers heaps of time, we won lots of games and we're picking late so we pick up a RT to replace Clary, or he bombed and we get a franchise left tackle. I'm aware A.J. Smith has never taken an offensive lineman in the 1st round of the draft but this is all for naught anyway
    2- Safety - the draft is stacked with good safeties, not picking one up would be criminal unless Stuckey, Bigby or Taylor kill it this year.
    3- NT (Could be number 1 as I think Garay is the most likely player on our team to decline) either way Garay is getting old and NT's take longer to get pro ready.
    4 - OLB - a flier on a pass rush specialist
    5 - WR If Gates and Floyd get injured and Meachem doesn't step up we could have a case of no legit number one option for Rivers to throw to.
    6 - RB Depth
    7 - OG Depth player who gets cut before training camp.
     
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    This is an article in "Great Blue North Draft Report" that I have read from time to time over the years. It discusses different draft strategies. The first theory is "Draft The best Athlete" or more commonly known as Best Player Available". I subscribe to this theory too.
    I get the point of this thread though. It's fun to see what the fan's perception of where the team is weakest.

    http://www.gbnreport.com/drafttheories.htm
     
  30. Buck Melanoma

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    BPA is the draft strategy of a lot of folks - myself included. BUT .... like nearly any strategy, it must be flexible enough to allow for adaptation. I believe in BPA when it isn't a huge reach, but if we have a pressing need & a good fit is available that isn't necessarily the best athlete on the board, I'd certainly have to strongly consider drafting the need guy.
     

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