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By the pricking of my thumb; The Turk this way comes

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Aug 25, 2007.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    The month of September beings the Turk a lurking:
    It is that time of year again, the time when every professional football player looks over their shoulder to see if the shadow looming over them is the dreaded Turk (*1). Some will see the shadow pass by a mere specter. Others will get the dreaded message “The Coach wants to see you, being your playbook.” As their hearts are cut out and in some cases their dreams of playing in the National Football League is ended for good.

    The Turk will have a difficult job in the Chargers locker room this year. There will be possibly one or two surprising cuts, and maybe two positions that will have the starter position up for grabs. However the Chargers are one of the favored teams to make the Superbowl. Consistency in the roster is one reason many people give for this, and the reason that the Turks job could be a difficult one.

    Marshal Faulk of the NFL network includes coaching consistency in the equation as well, mentioning that the Chargers change in coaching staff made sense due to the scheme they run and the unity in the locker room. Meaning that though the Chargers did have major upheaval in their coaching staff, the brought in coaches who were familiar with the current system to keep things running the way that have been. The very same unity that kept players like Kris Dielman in San Diego even though the Seattle Seahawks offered him more money. The unity has lead to stability that very few other teams enjoy this time of year.

    The Chargers have had extremely little turnover in their roster of late, creating little room for undrafted free agents, and late round draft choices to find a niche on the roster after September 1st. No the Turk is not going to have an easy task this season. He will of course find the stragglers on the outside of the pack, the young players who, though they played well, found themselves in the camp of a team that is as loaded at all positions and has quality depth as the Chargers currently do. Perhaps the Turk might even find a veteran on the outskirts of the pack, near the water cooler, unaware…

    Last season at this time Players such as Floyd and Camarillo were battling each other for a roster spot. This season Floyd seems to be on the in, but Camarillo finds himself dancing on the surface of the bubble against the likes of Legedu Naanee, and Kassim Osgood. The veterans cannot rest on their laurels and believe that they are a show in to remain on the team. General Manager AJ Smith did away with that notion in March this year.

    AJ Smith was quoted as sayingYou're a Charger one year at a time,” AJ said. “You're judged off the field, on the field, production and work ethic.” This was after cutting McCardell, Krause, Kiel, and Foley.

    Even with such cuts, the quality depth at just about every position that AJ Smith and his staff have been able to accumulate in San Diego instantly filled any gaps. The new draft choices shored up that depth. There is not a lot of wiggle room in the San Diego roster of late, a true testament to not only the ability of the front office and scouting department, but I would say also to the culture that the Chargers have been able to instill into the locker room.

    Indeed AJ and staff have shown that everyone is reviewed annually and nearly no one is expendable. But they have been able to build the team to the point that a little turnover is quickly solidified by the time the draft rolls by. Yet another sign of this is the fact that AJ Smith and company can spend draft picks on players such as Antonio Cormarie and give them time to grow until they are ready to start. Cormartie was the Chargers first round draft choice in 2006, he did not start one game that season. Not because he wasn’t any good, but because there was no reason to rush him into the lineup. Instead Cromatrie proved a valuable asset to the nickel coverage and special teams.

    Back to the Turk; he will of course find some victims in the over sized San Diego locker room. The first round of visitations will have to happen before this Tuesday (8/28/07) when the Chargers have to reduce their roster size form the current number (86) to 75. Most likely the first round of cuts will not offer any surprises, and it is highly unlikely that any of the first round of cuts will hold any practice squad players.
     
  2. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Hush or the Turk will find you!
    Who will the Turks first victims be? It is purely speculation at this point but we could see a surprise cut or two. Listed below are the players whom I think could receive a visit from the Dreaded Turk:

    #81 Kassim Osgood has been an outstanding special teams player, even made a pro bowl in that capacity. So did Hanick Milligan before being cast before the Turk. Could the Turk be sharpening his scimitar and starting at Kassim out of the corner of his eye? It is possible, he has caught the ire of new Head Coach Norv Turner, but he is a special teams burner who isn’t afraid to mix it up. The numbers game does not play in his favor in my opinion. The roster is loaded with talent and there are young players full of potential like Legedu Naanee who could make a player like Osgood expendable. The Turk loves expendable veterans….

    13 Mark Simmons: A possible practice squad player, but with only catching one pass for eight yards in preseason, it is up to his performance in camp to keep the Turk away. I don’t see that as happening, I think Mark can hear the scraping sound of the wet stone on the blade of the Turk’s scimitar.

    9 Rhema McKnight: You have to feel sorry for a guy who has a QB jersey (*2) number and is a wide receiver. It is akin to being a red shirt security person on Star Trek without a last name. You know the salt sucking space vampire is going to get you. Chargers camp may not be Seti Alpha VI but there are footsteps of doom behind you Rhema.

    77 Tony Pape: Tony, man your bio on Chargers.com doesn’t even have any text in it. Has the Turk shown his hand?

    67 Jeremy Sheffey: Jeremy is a big body at 6’ 2” and 291 pounds, but the numbers game is against him. I think Jeremy could easily be a practice squad player, but only after the Turk has his way.

    60 Mark Bihl: Another big body who unfortunately is harmed by the quality depth and the numbers game. However if there is room for a young man to make a push to making the squad it is at Center, where behind incumbent Nick Hardwick we have only one veteran, and only 4 players in camp who can play the position.

    62 Mike Jones: Another big body at Guard. This boy is 6’ 5” and weighs in at 312 pounds! Though I have not heard much mentioned of him in camp, that cant be something that is in his favor.

    64 Erik Robertson: A friend seems to be a big Robertson fan, and unfortunately for her I fear if the Turk finds him on Tuesday we will not see him again. He does have a good pedigree however, as listed at Chargers.com:

    Selected to play in Texas vs. Nation Senior All-Star Game in El Paso, Texas in February 2007…honorable mention All-Pac-10 and team’s Most Valuable Offensive Lineman as senior…honorable mention Academic All-Pac-10 selection as junior and senior…redshirted 2002…played at Cal-Berkeley from 2002-06…graduated with degree in Scandinavian studies.

    So he has had success in the College ranks, another thing in his favor is he is vying for a position (Center) that has the least amount of depth. That means that the Chargers will most likely keep two centers on the active roster and one on the practice squad. That is three positions for four players. We will have to see who the Turk has selected for his Center cut…

    89 TJ Cottrell: TJ, in every movie the king loses a close loved one. Take the Two Towers movie; The King of Rohan lost his only son, it happens to build tension and to develop the plot to allow the king to go to war. Well you’re the son of the Defensive Coordinator, thought that will not save you from the visitation of the Turk. Chandler will take the slot. Let’s hope that gives your Dad the desire for justice and puts a fire in his belly.

    15 Sonny Shackelford, 12 Rich Musinski, 11 Onea Jones: Two preseason games down, one more to go before the Turk comes a calling. You have not registered a catch, which does not bode well for a young wide receiver hoping to dodge the scimitar.

    30 Eldra Buckley: You have not registered a single carry in preseason, there have not been any reports of your performance coming out of camp. The Turks gaze is falling on you.

    58 Zach Latimer: Zach played against Seattle, and registered three solo tackles. However the team is loaded with talent at the Line Backer positions; this makes the numbers game even harder for this young man. If Zach is not cut on the 28th, then I would not be surprised to see him make the practice squad.

    47 Jules Tucker: Jules has played thus far in both games this preseason, recording one tackle. The numbers game does not bode well for Tucker.

    39 Quentin Jones: The Chargers have a corner with the initials QJ already, you know they don’t want to get confused when looking at the laminated cards on the sidelines…

    38 Gabe Franklin: Gabe, baby, I worry about you! Your bio at Charger.com has no information in it. I hope to keep the Turks eyes off of you for a bit. You have played in both preseason games thus far and registered 4 solo tackles and a pass defensed. That is better than some of our starters. Dude, go get with the Charger.com web master and have him put in your bio before the Turk takes the empty space as an invitation to come calling…

    36 Tra Battle: Ok, I will admit it, I am rooting for ya Tra, simply because you have one of the coolest names on the team. Against Seattle you had five tackles, four of which was solos. Man I am not sure if the numbers game will not turn against you. We shall see, but rest assured, with a name like Battle, the coaches should think twice before unleashing the Turk on you…

    44 Miguel Merrick: Another strong safety, but your name isn’t as cool as Tra’s. No tackles registered in the first two preseason games. Keep your head on a swivel, if you hear footsteps behind you…. DUCK!

    4 Brian Monroe: He is a punter. What more do I need to say?
     
  3. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    From the CBA:
    http://www.nflpa.org/CBA/CBA.aspx

    CUT DOWNS/SQUAD SIZE
    For the 2007 season, each NFL club must reduce its roster to 75 players by Tuesday, August 28, 2007. Each club must further reduce its roster to 53 players on the Active/Inactive list on Saturday, September 1, 2007. Immediately prior to kickoff each week during the regular season, clubs establish a 45 player Active list from their 53 man Active/Inactive roster, and also identify one additional player on the Inactive list as a third quarterback who can enter the game only if the other two quarterbacks cannot play.

    PRACTICE SQUADS
    On Sunday, September 2, 2007, the day after the final pre-season cut-downs, each club may establish a Practice Squad of no more than eight (8) players who are free agents and who do not have more than nine games on an Active list in a previous season. The minimum salary for a practice squad player is $4,700 per week, including the playoff weeks. In addition, a player under contract to a club as a Practice Squad player is completely free to sign a contract with any NFL club to play on their Active/Inactive list.


    Note:
    Aug. 28 – Roster reduced to maximum of 75 plyers
    Sept. 1 - Roster reduced to maximum of 53 players


    (*1) Origins of the term ‘Turk’ revisited:
    Every year NFL teams have to reduce their rosters from the expanded training camp size to the 53 man rosters they go throughout the season with. Every year as raining camps begin the term Turk become synonymous with person whom has to inform the players that they need to see the coach, “Bring your playbook.”.

    Not a job most people would cherish, and current wisdom points to the early 40’s for the coining of the phrase to it’s current use. The TURK referred to the ancient warriors who, would behead their enemies with a scimitar (a curved long sword). The Turks were also the Turkish revolutionaries of the 1920’s who rebelled against the Ottoman Empire leading to it’s dissolution. The Turkish Revolutionaries were said to be fierce and hard fighters.

    So it is believed that the term TURK was used because, though the coach would not be cutting the head from the player, they would certainly be cutting their hearts out. Also an interesting note is during the 1940’s there was no playbooks to be returned to the coaches before being let go by the team.


    (*2) Position Jersey Numbers:
    QB, P, K
    Primary: 1-19

    RB, DB
    Primary: 20-49

    C
    Primary: 50-59
    Alternate: 60-79

    G, T
    Primary: 60-79

    WR
    Primary: 80-89
    Alternate: 10-19

    TE
    Primary: 80-89

    DL (NT/DT/DE)
    Primary: 60-79
    Alternate: 90-99

    LB
    Primary: 50-59
    Alternate: 90-99
     
  4. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Clarification: I am not stating that Osgood will be the first Charger cut. I am inidcating that he is not a shoe in, and could find himself visited by the Turk.

    The order of appearance dose not indicate the order of cuts.
     
  5. IgorUnchained

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    I was shocked to see 3-4 names on that list that I dont even recognize.
    I think with all of the returning talent, it is going to be hard to unseat any of the guys in front of the "bubble" players. Osgood would be a surprise, but less of a surprise when they need to get down to 53.

    I think the initial cuts are almost no-brainers....but I would take special care to maintain some O line beef for a while to see how things turn out and to stock the practice squad with. Having only Mruc backing up Goff AND Dielman doesnt sit well with me...this season is too long and too important to shortstaff yourself.

    Great info and clever literal references Conc....that was a good long read! :icon_toast:
     
  6. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    I think given the talent that AJ is bringing in it is going to get harder and harder to just make it as a special teams player.

    That is just my take. Osgood is great on special teams, but not reliable as a receiver.

    Naanee for example is big, strong willing to hit, and jump for the ball. He alone could open the door for Osgoods departure.
     
  7. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    I didnt remember, but didnt you say that about BMW?


    Why do you want to go and out the leisure hex on Legedu?!:icon_evil:


    :icon_rofl:
     
  8. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Might not be far off. The NFL is looking for it's next farm league after the NFLE went defunct....
     
  9. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Great read Conc, I agree that kassim could be in that final round of cut's but I also believe there my be a few surprise cut's in addition to him. I hate to say it, but I have a feeling EP could be done if a young guy steps up and shines. Polk could also be gone with the likes of Siler and Water's.

    WE are just loaded with players and have become one great football machine. This could be the prelude into the dynasty that I have been waiting for.:bolt: :icon_toast:
     
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    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Maybe not, but it could happen. He's been around a while and we have seen all he's got. I like the guy, hell I like Caldwell also it's been many moons since we had a WR corps that terrorized the league.:bolt: :icon_toast:
     
  11. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Not sure about Parker, I know there is a stipulation that a team cannot cut a player on IR, but does that include injured players on the active roster?

    Where is that bovide truck driver when you need him?
     
  12. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Is parker pulling the Bus card on the Bolt's??????
     
  13. Concudan

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    No... But man my wife went off on him and Vick the other night telling me how kids cant have football players as their role modles any more...

    The LT comercial came on and I pointed at the TV and said "Boys, be like LT and Rivers..."

    It was perfect timing...
     
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    Hey Conc, yet another excellent thread with a few well thought-out posts to kick it off. As mentioned via PM, I'll chip in on this one Monday or so after I've had the opportunity to look at the (burned) DVD closely. That 3rd exhibition game has always seemed to be the only one of any "real" importance in determining who stays or still has a chance to stay. During the game my "focus" will be on the DBs & ILBs again - but two of the young'uns I REALLY want to go back and watch later on are Tucker and Roach - pretty certain they will make the PS at minimum. :icon_toast:
     
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    Tucker and Roach are very close to being at the minimum practice squad locks. The numbers game is against them to make the active roster...
     
  16. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Yes as the great Bob Dylan once wrote, Things they are a changing.:bolt:
     
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    Youre right, he WONT get cut

    BUT he sure as hell SHOULD!!!

    Small, slow, choke artists have no place on a team this good!
     
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    Great job. I absolutely concur. Legedu is faster, bigger and stronger and has position player upside Osgood lacks. Camarillo has better skills as a receiver. I'm with Chispa with Robertson. If he doesn't make the squad, he must be put onto the PS. I think we have another Dielman there. I think Siler stays ahead of Polk, since there is sufficient depth at Linebacker to carry him on the squad. I think Pinock is history. Depending on how and if he performs in the latter half of tonight's game, Oben could also be vulnerable. The team simply isn't forthcoming with the condition of players.
     
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    If they don't get "poached" by another team. ;)
     
  20. Concudan

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    :yes: True dat!
     
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    hey better that then by the thumbing of your prick:icon_tease:
     
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    IMO Osgood needs to stay, and EP needs to go on IR so we have the roster spot for someone like Legoland.
     
  23. Concudan

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    That would work, especially give last nights perfomance by Osgood. But it does not appear as if they will IR Parker.
     
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    I think they can but they have to come to an "injury settlement" to cut him.

    Either way, we need EP this year.
     
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    "77 Tony Pape: Tony, man your bio on Chargers.com doesn’t even have any text in it. Has the Turk shown his hand?"

    Tony Pape was a 3 or 4 year starter at Left Tackle and Right Tackle at Michigan. He was on numerous All BigTen teams and was All-American Honorable Mention prior to being drafted in the 7th round by the Dolphins in 2004. He spent one year on their practice squad and two seasons in NFL Europe.

    He's been playing right guard this preseason and has done remarkably well given that he's never played the position. He would add some offensive line depth at guard/tackle.
     

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