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Can Bears curb the Rivers flow?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Trumpet_Man, Sep 8, 2007.

  1. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    http://chicagosports.chicagotribune...augh,1,5844431.column?coll=cs-bears-headlines

    Curb Rivers' flow
    Bears can take down Chargers by flustering young QB — the loaded team's weakest link


    David Haugh
    On the Bears

    September 9, 2007

    Make Philip Rivers beat you.

    The Bears' best chance to pull a season-opening surprise Sunday against the Chargers at Qualcomm Stadium has nothing to do with stopping LaDainian Tomlinson or hoping Rex Grossman packed his poise. Nor does it involve putting an extra blocker on Shawne Merriman or a sock in his mouth.

    The Bears can overcome all other factors against the Chargers if they overwhelm Rivers. It's the most logical approach and realistic reason why the Bears cannot be dismissed in a road opener against perhaps the NFL's most talented team in one of the league's most overlooked matchups.

    Much attention has been focused on the pressure facing Grossman to eliminate mistakes against the Chargers that plagued his first season as an NFL starter. Those objections are sustained.

    But the preseason and pregame obsession with Grossman's fragility has obscured that of the two starting quarterbacks Sunday, he will be the older and more experienced.

    That doesn't automatically give Grossman any advantage—Rivers made the Pro Bowl in his first year as a starter—but it should remind the Bears to take a shot at making the Chargers' quarterback act his age.

    Rivers is 25. He will make his 18th NFL start. His last time out, in an AFC playoff loss to New England that cost coach Marty Schottenheimer his job, Rivers hit 43 percent of his passes, had a 55.5 passer rating and was sacked three times.

    He did complete 62 percent of his passes for 3,388 yards and threw only nine interceptions compared with 22 touchdowns last season, Pro Bowl numbers. But the Bears have to believe their defense can force Rivers into a clunker like the one last Dec. 17 against the Chiefs when he put up a 12.4 passer rating. Or the 44.2 rating Rivers chalked up against the Raiders three weeks before that.

    Both of those performances against lesser teams came on the same home field the Bears will be chasing Rivers around. At 6 feet 5 inches and 228 pounds, Rivers possesses better field vision than most young quarterbacks, but limited mobility makes him a target against the Bears, who have the NFL's quickest defense.

    On an offense with a future Hall of Famer (Tomlinson) carrying the ball and a perennial All-Pro catching it (tight end Antonio Gates), Rivers easily qualifies as the MVP—most vulnerable player.

    "He has played well but a lot of times when younger quarterbacks like that play well, you look around him and that usually explains it," linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer said. "He has a great offensive line, the best running back in the league and when you have a great tight end, he's the easiest target on the football field. But without a quarterback, the show doesn't work right."

    Around the locker room, Bears players showed Rivers just as much respect as Hillenmeyer and at least publicly brushed off his boasts to Tommie Harris during the taping of a Nike commercial that the Chargers would "put 30 on the board" against the Bears.

    Relevant or not, Rivers' brashness should have reminded the Bears of the youth that will accompany him to the line of scrimmage. And when it comes to NFL quarterbacks, youth equals opportunity.

    "I know he's a young quarterback, but don't get caught up in that young stuff," cornerback Charles Tillman said. "He has good footwork and footwork gets him out of sacks. And he's smart. He has a cannon. He's definitely a playmaker. I don't think he just relies on L.T."

    So make him.

    New defensive coordinator Bob Babich hasn't been this responsible for a game plan since 2002 when he was trying to stop St. Cloud State in his final game as the head coach at North Dakota State. But Babich needs to follow his aggressive instincts apparent in exhibitions and blitz Rivers and blitz him some more.

    Flood Rivers with blitzes, particularly in the two situations statistics show he is most inconsistent: on third-and-long and in his own territory between the 20- and 39-yard lines.

    Of Rivers' nine interceptions last year, five came in 134 pass attempts in that part of the field, according to STATS. That also was the area Rivers was sacked the most (once every 15 attempts) and his passer rating in that zone was 66.2—much lower than his 95.4 rating between the 40s.

    Maybe that all suggests the more field Rivers has to work with, the more his margin for error increases. His tendency hasn't been to throw downfield as much as one might expect for such a rangy quarterback. Playing it safe, Rivers attempted only 55 passes beyond 21 yards last season compared with, say, Grossman, who tried 67. As the Colts proved Thursday night against the Saints, a keep-everything-in-front-of-you Cover-2 defense can rattle even a polished quarterback like Drew Brees into making poor decisions.

    Rivers looked most susceptible on third-and-6-or more when he completed just 54 percent of his passes, threw four interceptions in 81 attempts and had a passer rating of only 68.2. One out every five Bears' sacks in 2006 (eight of 40) came on third-and-6-plus.

    So the Bears really need to attack Rivers.


    "I think that he's just a good football player and understands what it takes to win a football game," Babich said.

    The Bears need to make Rivers understand how he can lose one too. It's a page in their lesson plan well-tattered from teaching it to quarterbacks more proven than him.
     
  2. PhilipRivers#1

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    BRING IT !!! :icon_evil: :icon_evil:
     
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  3. loweezy

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    All of this applies to any QB in the NFL. If you can find a way to rush the QB you will force more errors. It's a pretty logical approach. The problem is that it's not as simple as just sending in the blitz. Teams will get torched over-pursuing LT and company. The Chargers have the better pass rush, and Rex has proven to be more vulnerable in those situations. So THAT's why you have all the critics talking about Rex and not Philip. My guess is that Norv protects his qb a bit better and exploits teams focusing on bodies flying at Rivers all day.
     
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    WHAT THE ****K!!!!?????

    Pretty sure its their teddy bears that are doing all the talking. Urlacher has been crying for over a weak and they are complaining that Merriman is talking to much???

    What a ****ing retard!!!
    Lets see what Shawne has to say about it

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3009843
     
  6. SDRaiderH8er

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    WTF.........

    Last Season Baltimore had the #1 Defense. and we all know that it was Marty playing Martyball that cost us that win. The Raiders had the #3 Defense, and we swept them last Year, and Chicago had the #5 Defense, what are they going to do that we all ready havent seen?

    Plus Ron Rivera is going to tell us where the weakness' are on that team.
     
  7. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Each man on the Bears will know that they want no part of the Bolt's again after this game. They will be black and blue and beaten down in every sense of the word. No brag, just fact. :bolt: :icon_toast:
     
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    Yeah. The Bears are gonna come here and teach PR some things.

    Yeah.
     
  9. Retired Catholic

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    At least the article mentions how good our offensive line is. Basing their strategy of getting to Rivers because of last years experience level and performance would be really stupid, given Norval's record of improving QB's wherever he's been. Rivers will have his check downs identified right off the bat, so he'll be getting the ball to both Gates and LT in space, even if the offense doesn't successfully pick up every blitz. If that's their play, I'd open things up with screens. I might even do that on the very first play. Manu can catch balls underneath off of a brush block very quickly. They mention River's height, but said nothing about the height of our three primary pass catchers, so Rivers will have no problem knowing where they are. LT breaks to the outside on swing and flare patterns better than anyone in the league. It's been smacked around like a hand ball, but LoNeal occasionally becomes a viable flare option if LT stays in to block. Blitzing against teams that have the number of options Rivers has is dangerous because he sets up fast, reads fast and releases fast.
     
  10. TheLash

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    WE all know Rivers can get rattled and make bad decisions but I feel good about our o-line even aginst their D. And I'd sure as hell rather have Rivers than rex:abq1:
     
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    Or Brees for that matter!
     
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    If these guys are expecting Rivers to phuck up, then they are really in trouble. Rivers was on fire this preseason. We will never see another performance out of him like the one versus KC last year. Philip is ready to take the next step and dominate. Anyone worried about how Rivers will perform is a phucking moron.
     
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    I saw these stats somewhere else and, at first, they worried me but then I thought maybe those stats could be a product of the play calling in those situations...it seems logical to me that those stats are more readily attributable to a systemic problem than to some tendency of Philip's to fail in a specific down and distance situation on a certain area of the field.
     
  14. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Philip will be playing his game, the chemistry between him and Norv is opening a new chapter that has yet to be written. His magic will shine and those with doubt in the back of their minds will become believers. :bolt: :icon_toast: :abq2:
     
  15. Buck Melanoma

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    You can bet that Norv will have PR ready for anything that the Bears bring. LT may be the leading receiver today if the Bears make the mistake of relying too much on the blitz.

    Wonder what happens first - LT breaking Urlacher's ankles or spraining his neck with a stiff arm?

    And PR will be going downfield with the ball today. Archuletta is gonna get burnt by VJ & Davis.

    Here's to the first win on our way to AZ!!!! :icon_toast:
     
  16. Trumpet_Man

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    LT on a skinny post is one of my favorite MONEY plays.

    The first hit I want to see is an ISO wham block on Urlacher by Lo Neal.
     
  17. Buck Melanoma

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    Quick hitter for a long TD! Go Bolts!!! :bolt: :bolt:
     
  18. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Oh yeah, LT in the second tier of the defense and our down field blocking it's off to the races.:bolt: :tup: :icon_toast:
     
  19. Buck Melanoma

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    Just like in the second game against Denver last year. Can't wait - just a little over 3 hrs. until game time!!

    In the meantime, I'm gonna drink a little & watch the Texans beat KC. Too bad, my wife will be SO disappointed. :icon_rofl:
     
  20. Concudan

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    CHARGERS WILL ROAST THE FUGGIN BEARS!!!!!
     

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