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Chargers and Rams swap franchises.... Crazy talk?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, Dec 20, 2015.

  1. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    Chargers-Rams franchise swap could be only way out of L.A. maze
    Posted by Mike Florio on December 20, 2015, 9:09 AM EST

    As the NFL’s effort to figure out which of three interested teams will get the golden ticket to L.A. (along with the privilege of paying dearly for it through relocation fees), the process is quickly getting uglier, with members of the league’s Los Angeles committee making promises to St. Louisin an effort to keep the Rams there and publicly trashing San Diego in an effort to get the Chargers out.

    It’s careening toward a potential free-for-all on January 12 and 13, when the owners get together with the goal of putting at least one team in Los Angeles, possibly two. From that chaos a variety of potential solutions can emerge. One solution that was mentioned on Thursday as an outside-the-box/beyond-the-boundaries-of-sanity suggestion could, surprisingly, gain traction.

    Indeed, it ultimately could be the only way out of this mess.

    In 1972, Carroll Rosenbloom and Robert Irsay swapped the Colts and the Rams. Ultimately, a swap of the Chargers and the Rams could be the cleanest way out of the league’s sudden L.A. clusterfudge.

    As one source with knowledge of the current league dynamics said in response to the possibility of a franchise swap, “It’s not a bad idea.”

    Good or bad, it may be the only way to placate everyone involved.

    With folks like Panthers owner Jerry Richardson and Texans owner Bob McNair, two of six members of the L.A. committee, campaigning openly for the Chargers to move to L.A. and for the Rams to stay put in St. Louis, giving the Chargers to Stan Kroenke (who would move them to L.A.) and the Rams to Dean Spanos (who would keep them in Missouri) would allow Kroenke to build his own venue in Inglewood, at a site that many believe is better — and more potentially profitable — than the proposed Chargers/Raiders location in Carson.

    Making Inglewood even more attractive is talk of Kroenke building new studio space for NFL Network there, which would be available to the league for the right price: Free. And even though the jury remains out on whether FAA concernsregarding an Inglewood stadium would keep the thing from being built, the Carson site has issues, too.

    “Most of that site was a former landfill. It’s contaminated land,” Carson mayor Albert Robles acknowledged earlier this year. “There is a strip, about 11 acres, that was never a landfill.” With the total site at 168 acres, the simple math (which is the only math I understand) is that 157 acres was a landfill.

    And while Spanos, who will be reluctant to leave Southern California, the numbers quickly will pile up in his favor if he’d trade the Chargers for the Rams.

    First, Spanos would incur no relocation fee.

    Second, Spanos would surely secure extra money from Kroenke in a Chargers-Rams trade, given that Kroenke would then take the Chargers to L.A. It becomes, as a practical matter, a private relocation fee paid directly to Spanos. The extra amount paid to Spanos for the Chargers could persuade the league at large to insist on less from Kroenke to take the Chargers on a relatively short trip up the road.

    Third, Spanos would cash in with the Rams, getting the new stadium he covets and filling it up with a fan base both relieved and invigorated by the fact that the team is staying put. Consider the bump the Buffalo Bills realized when, after months of uncertainty regarding the future location of the team, Terry and Kim Pegula purchased the franchise and renewed the vows with Western New York. A similar outcome in St. Louis would make Spanos an instant hero there, with corresponding dollars flowing into the team’s coffers. (Kroenke, a Missouri native named for Cardinals legends Stan Musial and Enos Slaughter, also would salvage a bit of his image and legacy there, since he will have found a way to leave while also leaving the team behind.)

    If the possibility of a swap ever makes its way into the meeting room, the question becomes how much money would Spanos need (in addition to getting the Rams) to pull the trigger on a trade. Surely, there’s a sufficiently large number that would get him to do it. The question is whether that’s a number Kroenke would offer — and whether the rest of the owners would work with Kroenke and Spanos to make it happen by not putting any thumbs on the relocation-fee scale.

    Is it a perfect solution? Far from it. But it may be the only thing that works at a time when: (1) plenty of owners think Spanos deserves to get out of San Diego; (2) plenty of owners think the Rams should stay in St. Louis; (3) Kroenke has plenty of money to make everyone happy and still get what he wants — a team in L.A.; and (4) nothing will get approved without 24 votes.

    The deeper question is whether owners like Richardson and McNair would be willing to work with Kroenke to let him get to L.A. with a different team, or whether their opposition to a Rams move is less about keeping the team in St. Louis and more about pushing back against Kroenke, who has behaved to date in a way that has rubbed plenty of his partners the wrong way.
     
  2. Blitzy

    Blitzy Spanos Chargers Troll

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    And who's gonna inherit that red headed stepchild Mark Davis and his bevy of :poop:i.e. followers? The San Deigns? That'll be quite farqued up!
     
  3. Blitzy

    Blitzy Spanos Chargers Troll

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    Other than that, the Chargers deserve a better owner than the likes of the Kleins and the Deadpanoses!
     
  4. SuperCharger92

    SuperCharger92 Winners Win

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    Lol

    So they only way we'd get rid of the Spanos' is to get Kroenke? :cry:
     
  5. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    Could it be any other way for Chargers fans?........ we're royally ******. :rolleyes:
     
  6. ChargerMike

    ChargerMike BoltBruthaFromAnuthMutha

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    Man......I got a migraine just reading that.:confused::poop:
     
  7. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Cool beans.
     
  8. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    If it doesn't result in a team in San Diego it doesn't matter to me.
     
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  9. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    Don't you want what's best for the league? :roflmao:
     
  10. Good Days Last2

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    Such an asinine writer's fantasy. No one wins in that scenario except Stanley.
     
  11. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    The owners "win"..... Isn't it obvious that that's all they care about?
     
  12. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    I am not sure I have ever heard of a franchise 'swap' before. Not sure that this is anything but rampant speculation. The two franchises are not worth the same (I assume), and there would be a lot of documentation and taxes required in such a 'swap'.
     
  13. Fouts

    Fouts I heart Deano!

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    Mike Florio wrote it. [\end thread]
     
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  14. Blitzy

    Blitzy Spanos Chargers Troll

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    FIFY ;)
     
  15. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Why would a man ever do that to himself?
     
  16. Blitzy

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    Because he's a cuckold :sneaky:
     
  17. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    If he wrote it, then it must be gospel.
     
  18. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    "In 1972, Carroll Rosenbloom and Robert Irsay swapped the Colts and the Rams."

    Reading comprehension was never your strong suit.
     
  19. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Maybe I should just wait a year or two and then comment on it like you do Cap'm Hindsight...
     
  20. ChargerMike

    ChargerMike BoltBruthaFromAnuthMutha

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    We'll all know by the 12-13th.......
     
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    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    Oddly enough, the only person who actually seems to want that is Goodell.

    Richardson and McNair don't want what's best for the league. They want what's best with them - i.e. placating Goldman-Sachs (who stand to make squat if Kroenke gets his move to Inglewood and a boatload if the Carson site... and thus the St. Louis riverfront sites are selected) so that the firm will back them in screwing over the taxpayers of Charlotte and Houston, respectively, with raids on the general fund to pay for renovations to their teams' current stadiums.

    I've said for a while now, if Kroenke wasn't largely funding his proposal himself (in co-op with the Hollywood Park folks, who are backed by a G-S competitor) and was instead cutting Goldman-Sachs in on the cheddar, Spanos wouldn't have stood a chance. The LA committee is littered with Goldman-Sachs favoritists along with a few assorted veteran toe-the-league-liners (Hunt, Rooney).

    What all this suggestion still flat out ignores - and with my apologies to the "devoted" St. Louis fans who sure showed up in force today for what could be the Rams last home game in Missouri - the team that Los Angeles wants... the one which would stand the best chance at long-term financial success and sustainability in the market is the damn Rams, the team that thrived there for 40 of its near 50 years spent.

    Ultimately though, if the individual owners vote with their own singular best interests in mind, it's really hard to understand how they can share McNair's mindset that St. Louis' is a "sweet" proposal. It's financing is based upon "could-be's" and very few actual concrete facts that don't do things that none of these other owners would submit to themselves (signing a 25+ year, completely unfavorable lease; submitting to funding the stadium via a tax on their revenue - a tax which isn't and hasn't ever been put on any team in the market... and which would set a massively dangerous precedent moving forward for other owners when doing such dealings with their respective locales).
     
  22. Blue Bolt

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    The longer you wait to respond the better...... for everyone. :laugh:
     
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  23. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    What a ******* circle jerk this whole situation is
     
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  24. Kwak

    Kwak ....

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    Kronke gets Chargers in LA.
    Spanos gets the Rams in STL.
    Raiders move to SD.
    Dog and Cats sleeping together….
     
  25. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    None of this crap would be happening if Spanos had hired Ant to be his attorney, hell we would probably be in a new stadium in San Diego!
     
  26. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    It's hard to convince a client to do anything when they're delusional in their belief system. An attorney just does what his client's orders are (see Fabiani) - then again picking that kind of an attorney suggests what your course will be (see all divorce situations)
     

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