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Chargers Free Agents: Will they stay or will they go?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. Ikeman83

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    I'm not entirely sure, but I don't believe that you can negotiate a contract with someone until they sign their tender, which he didn't until very late. Second, possibly because a 1st round pick is a significantly higher price to pay for a player than a 2nd?
     
  2. Ikeman83

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    They walked because Smitty refused to negotiate in their price range.
     
  3. DenverBolt67

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    And mike Wallace is even more significantly proven and has significantly more talent
     
  4. DenverBolt67

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    Point is, if you want to sign them, sign them NOW. Don't wait till they hit free agency. If you don't want them, trade them and get something for them. To let any player with value, to just walk, is absolutely ridiculous. And that is what would likely happen if we only keep Alexander with the 1 year tender. If the org wants him, sign him. If not, tender him with a tender that will attract a trade offer
     
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    I think the team likes what they see in him, but want to see it again. Offering him a 1st round tender will make us keep him for cheap while assuring no other team will try to grab him knowing they'll have to sacrifice a 1st.
     
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  6. Blue Bolt

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    How do you "sign him now", when you're shopping for a new GM, who will make the personnel decisions going forward?

    Did you really think that through? ;)
     
  7. SuperCharger92

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    Bold, definitely. Even Jennings can be worked out so we pay him $3M the first year and more money in 2nd and 3rd year of his contract. But, I'd stay away from back loaded salaries.
     
  8. Ikeman83

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    Look at the scratch just given to Meachem and Royal. Now compare their stat lines to those of Gibson, Amendola, and Hartline. There's no way that either of those guys are coming in for a less than 3.4 mil cap hit when you consider salary and prorated signing bonus. I'll give you Barden and Edelman as far as contract, although I'd be reticent to believe in a Belicheck WR doing well on another team, and Barden would be a gamble.

    The bold is simply laughable. Jennings will command a 5-50+ contract. His signing bonus alone will be 4+ mil per season.
     
  9. DenverBolt67

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    It is a figure of speech. I am saying sign him instead of tendering him an offer that will allow him to walk after this year. If they are not willing to do that, tender him an offer than a team might want to just on, so we have a choice to match their offer if it is reasonable, or walk away with a draft pick. We should have done that with Brees instead of holding firm on two 1st round pick, we should have done it with Turner instead of holding form on two 1st round pick, we should have done this with Vincent Jackson instead of holding firm on two 1st round pick. All those players walked, and we gone nothing in return. The team knew damn well that they had no intentions on signing any of those players long term, mainly because of their cost, so trade them and get something in return.

    I hope the next GM isn't a moron about this like AJ was
     
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    The price for Meacham and Royal was high because the WR market last year was extremely thin after VJ. This year, it is mush deeper and teams will use that in negotiations to drive down prices. I am not sure if those guys will come in at $3mil, but I do think that most of those guys will come in cheaper than Meacham did last year
     
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    Then he walks next year, or at least we allow other teams to drive up his price. Trade him this offseason or sign him to a multi year deal.
     
  12. SuperCharger92

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    The guy has played 5 games this year lol, he has trouble staying healthy, but when he is often open. You can credit Aaron Rodgers too, he practically throws him open. And those aren't all the free agents at WR by the way, Welker is still out there and Bowe and others. There in a different class than Jennings when Jennings is healthy, so if he gets offered Welker/Bowe money, Jennings should take it and run.
     
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    Alexander has a rather extensive injury history, so that in itself would influence any long term deal he was offered. He looked great in limited action, but so did Gaither the year before. We don't know if the guy can last a whole season yet.
     
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    I agree, thats why I am saying that if a team was willing to give up a 2nd for him, Bye Bye
     
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    OK, that's fair. I do like Alexander, but I like Gaither after his brief stint too. The Chargers need to protect themselves when dealing with players who have an injury history...... whether real, or imagined. ;)
     
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    My whole point was, no reason to over pay by tendering him with a 1st round tender when it is highly unlikely a team would even give up a 2nd rounder for him, and if they did, we would have the choice to match the offer if it is reasonable, or we let him go and get a 2nd round pick in return
     
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    No, I get it........ really. ;)
     
  18. SuperCharger92

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    If we're looking for ILB's through free agency, Dannell Ellerbe really interests me, played in 13, only started 7, and recorded 92 tackles and 4.5 sacks. Filled in quite nicely for Ray Lewis.
     
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    He's probably one of the best choices which really isn't saying much. I'd be intrigued bringing in Malaluga - he's definitely a two down player but you could resign D. Williams and bring him in specifically on passing downs, which is Williams' specialty. I think it provides the best grouping along with Gachkar AND avoids ever using Mouton
     
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    Mouton is a waste of a roster space. To think we cut a useful player like Spurlock, and held onto a 'warm body" like Mouton. :confused:
     
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  21. SuperCharger92

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    Yeah Mouton clearly isn't ready and a terrible pick, what was he a 2nd or 3rd rounder right? I thought he could of groomed under Pagano and Barry, but clearly not.

    Gachkar doesn't look bad, but we need someone to pair with Butler. Williams I really liked, but I don't think he's a starter.
     
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    2nd
     
  23. SuperCharger92

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    Forget Barnes and Phillips.. Sign up Paul ******* Kruger. He explodes off the line of scrimmage into the lineman and makes his move. He destroyed the Indy OL today, and had 9 sacks this past season in 6 starts filling in for Suggs. He's got a motor on him too, he isn't a rotational guy either and probably won't demand Phillips money.

    With Johnson, Kruger, Ingram and another pass rusher from the draft think we'd be just fine. Maybe another cheap, FA signing or keep English.
     
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    Absolutely not. Total waste of oxygen
     
  25. SuperCharger92

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    agreed but if we can't find a better option or have the cap to cut him and sign someone else then I don't think you get rid of him with just 4 OLB's.. Again, depends on the coach and GM..
     
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    There are free agent in the middle of the season tat are better than that scrub, and they come at league min.
     
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    There's no reason whatsoever to retain English. None. an Undrafted Rookie FA is an upgrade to English, because the rookie at least has potential.
     
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    Nothing Dr. Chao can't fix. ;)
     
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    What about Cason and Vasquez?, some team is gonna overpay for either or both of them. AJ always had his strict $ value on a player and generally it meant we lost the guy. There were few examples of where he overvalued a guy eg. Castillo, Clary but more where he lowballed ie. VJ, Burnett, Edwards, Sproles. In the case of Sproles he seemed to screw up bigtime, instead of signing him to a long term he had to franchise him twice which probably cost us more in the long run and he isn't a Charger.

    I wonder will our new GM operate differently for players that make a difference and should be kept.
     
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    I wouldn't pay Cason because I don't think he's a good player at all and while I'm not against keeping Vasquez, because we likely have to keep Clary (due to cutting the big Lazy Gaither) I'm thinking only way to make lemonade out of the Clary-Lemon is to move him to RG
     
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