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Chargers sign Donald Brown RB from Colts

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by MadMike, Mar 11, 2014.

  1. MadMike

    MadMike Well-Known Member

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    Michael Gehlken ‏@UTgehlken 4m
    Former Colts RB Donald Brown agrees to terms with Chargers, source confirms. @RapSheet first reported.
     
  2. MadMike

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    Solid #2 for us. Now get us a NT and a CB, then get to the Draft.
     
  3. AnteaterCharger

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    Protects the bolts if Mathews goes down again or if RM leaves next year in fa, the broncos game exposed that we needed a proper backup. Still DB similar to RM in that he finally showed promise this years. Not my top choice and can we please stop just grabbing former colts??


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  4. mettadown

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    I really like this signing, i've always liked the way he plays
     
  5. Duffman57

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    I dont see any problems with going after some cheap backups from the Colts, Lawrence Guy really worked out for us last year. Also one thing really good about this signing is that Brown is great blocking/catching out of the backfield, so he gives us a lot of options (like a more athletic Ronnie Brown from last year). Brown looked really good for a few games last year when Richardson got benched.

    As for ex-Colts, as long as they're getting decent contracts, i have absolutely no problem with it.
     
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  6. Blue Bolt

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    Nothing to dislike about this signing...... unless you're a crank. ;)
     
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  9. Blue Bolt

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    Probably a workout bonus in there somewhere. ;)
     
  10. IFiredCHart

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    Chris Burke's "analysis of the signing. AKA: Why I think some experts are better suited to watching football as opposed to writing about it.

    This analysis just screams "I have never watched a San Diego Charger game at any point over the last season." I mean, I can list the points that just rip these two paragraphs to shreds...

    • To consider Woodhead a RB is like calling Sproles a RB. He cannot replace Mathews and what he can do in the backfield, and without a prototypical running back, any offense in the NFL is one-dimensional and ineffective.
    • About 3.5m per year for a guy who has good stats when he is in the game is a steal. See also: Danny Woodhead, 2013 FA signing. It is a little bit more, but it is still a value-sized deal for a guy who can add a critical piece to the offense. Half of the money of a borderline #1/bona-fide #2 WR.
    • Addressing this during the draft plugs in an unproven commodity in a spot that could have made the difference against the Donks last year. We can still try out RBs as UDFAs or 6th/7th round picks, but to rely on one as RM's backup is foolish.
    • Other FA options include a guy with a history of attitude problems (Blount), a guy who will likely command more money/years (Tate), and a bunch of guys I would not trust as much as Donald Brown, who has been used responsibly since he was drafted.
    But THIS is what really irks me...
    • If you cannot see TT's logic, Burke, it is because you lack the information to understand it due to a lack of recognition about the team's true needs relative to cap space. CB and NT deserve more cap room than RB, and to claim "expertise" with your statements is ignorant. Your final sentence makes it seems like TT has a ton to prove, but coming off of last year, he has proven that he makes personnel decisions with value and cohesion in mind. All you have proven, Chris Burke, is that you are in over your head.
     
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  11. matilack

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    I agree, I don't love the value, but damn we needed a solid backup a lot. Not a Sproles type either, someone who could carry the load.
     
  12. IFiredCHart

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    I think the value is pretty decent considering he could probably start in many backfields and be effective in assisting a balanced attack; for $3.5 M per with a third of that guaranteed, that is great. The Bolts can claim added value from the fact that it should make RM healthier by preventing overuse.
     
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  13. Blue Bolt

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    Plenty of NFL pundits are seriously lacking when it comes to knowledge about the Chargers true strengths and weaknesses as a team. We just aren't "sexy" enough to land of their radar.
     
  14. IFiredCHart

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    That is fine, and something I have accepted as a fan of this team. When insight is lacking, then opinions should be scarce.

    But when someone ignorant to the team's build makes a bold statement like:

    "Chargers GM Tom Telesco was in Indianapolis during Brown’s time there, so he should have added insight into what San Diego’s gaining here. He can feel free to share it with the rest of us at any point."

    It is simply mind-boggling. It is like me saying, "The Jaguars wasted $17 M over 4 years by signing Red Bryant, he was obviously a product of his system." I have no idea how he fits into the Jaguar defensive scheme, nor do I know how much he contributed to Seattle's defense. What I have to go by is that he worked his *** off on special teams and earned his spot over a long period of time with the Seahawks, and he could easily be a steal at this price.
    But I will not claim to know this and acknowledge that I lack the information to make a judgment either way.
     
  15. Blue Bolt

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    Tom Krasovic suggested it earlier.......

    Free agent watch: RB Donald Brown

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    NFL teams can sign unrestricted free agents starting March 11. The U-T is looking at potential free agents who may interest the Chargers. Last year's employer still holds negotiating rights to these players.

    Player: Donald Brown

    Age: 26

    2013 employer: Colts

    Position: running back

    How it could work out: Brown follows Tom Telesco from the Colts to the Bolts and shows he is Ryan Mathews Lite, serving as a speed-and-power runner who sustains the offense when Mathews rests. He rivals his 5.3-yards-per-carry average of 2013, and Bolts fans serenade the GM with shouts of Hail Telesco.

    Don’t bother: Returning to the Colts would keep Brown in Pep Hamilton’s offense. Under Hamilton, who arrived last year from Stanford, he had his best season.

    Tracking Mathews: The career tracks of Brown and Mathews are similar. First-round draftees. One good season entering 2013, but each man the object of fans’ grumblings. A new playcaller in 2013 emphasizes “running downhill.” A strong season ensues.

    The committee: As a Charger, Brown, 5-foot-10 and 207 pounds, would be the third back behind Mathews (6-0, 215) and Danny Woodhead (5-8, 200). They all have special talents. Mathews is fast enough to make stretch plays work even if his tackle cedes ground, yet can power through contact. Woodhead is an elite third-down back. Brown, spared a lead back’s workload, showed he is still fast (4.49 five years ago). Also on the roster as "future" players are fullback Zach Boren (6-0, 255) and running back Kerwynn Williams (5-8, 198). Ronnie Brown (6-0, 233) is a free agent.

    2013: Last season opened with Brown as the Colts’ No. 3 back. Injuries to Vick Ballard and Ahmad Bradshaw created chances, and he responded well. Late in the season, he took the “go to” role from Trent Richardson, a September trade acquisition. Along with his gaudy average of 5.3 yards per rush, he caught 27 passes, a career high after averaging 14 per season in four years.

    Brown, like Mathews, showed improved patience last season. Less smitten with his speed, he wasn’t as prone to bouncing outside. In September at Jacksonville, there was a 50-yard run through a huge interior hole. The Colts enjoyed having that on the game tape early in the season. So did Brown, who continued to pound away and ultimately saw his outside game profit from the inside presence.

    Other considerations: The tire tread could be a lot worse for a running back taken 27th in 2009. In five seasons, he averaged 110 rushes, or about half Mathews’ 212 pace over four seasons. For two years, Brown worked with Peyton Manning in a no-huddle offense. Chargers offensive coordinator Frank Reich, a Colts offensive assistant for three of Brown's seasons, likes a no-huddle offense for which he, too, wants fast thinkers who can click with a brainy quarterback. Brown is smart (24 on the Wonderlic). He turns 27 next month. With Mathews severely limited by an injured ankle, the Chargers went scoreless for the first three quarters of the Divisional Playoff loss to the Broncos. Entering the game, it was clear that without Mathews able to stretch Denver's defense, the Chargers would be in trouble.
     
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    Just compare that flippant remark to what Krasovic said........ night and day.
     
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  17. JoeRockhead

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    I wasn't really surprised by Brown coming here. It had been discussed just after the season ended. I think its a good signing. He just doesn't get any credit because he is not a flashy player. He just does his job and contributes.

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  18. Dublin Bolt

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    Who is Chris Burke?

    For the record I am v happy with this addition, I vividly remember him at the combine and pre-draft and watched to see where he might land. He is the perfect change of pace/replacement for #24 when he rests.

    Brown out... Brown in.
     
  19. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    This move makes for a serious 1-2 combination added to the quick jab and may prove to be a back breaker late in season and games. Now find some speed with reliable hands on the outside then lay in some beef to fill the stores for the winter to come.
     
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  20. Fossil

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    I like the signing. It fills a need with a solid player. Some may argue we have higher priorities, which we do, but you can't exactly establish a hierarchy and then ask FAs to wait around until we work our way down the list.
     
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    I remember watching the Colts @ Titans on TNF this year, Donald Brown has 50 something yards in the game, he had 41 after contact. If you watched the Colts play at times this year, their OL was horrendous. All season, their run blocking was dismal and on most running plays their was an opposing player in the backfield by the time the RB got the ball.

    Won't be surprised if we have both Mathews and Brown rush for a combined 1,500 yards this season. Brown is very patient in the letting the hole develop and open up.
     
  22. NYCharger

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    Bill Barnwell listed this as the third worst move of the day:

    3. The Chargers give RB Donald Brown a three-year, $10.5 million contract: San Diego is right up against the cap and desperate for contributors on defense. They’re not the deepest team on offense, but the one place they seemed to be set for 2014 is at running back, where they could serve up a cost-effective combination of Ryan Mathews and Danny Woodhead for $3.75 million in 2015. So why did they make their sole foray into free agency on Tuesday a trip to sign Brown, who was a competent running back for the Colts last year, but is hardly somebody who will represent a significant upgrade over the backs they already have? Brown might very well start for the team in 2015, but the Chargers might very well have waited and gotten Brown — or somebody just as good as Brown — for a fraction of the cost.

    I think this is fair analysis. It's not a terrible signing, but it seems like a luxury addition for a team like ours.
     
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    I think he is flat wrong and you only have to look at the Denver play off game to see why we need a good reliable backup RB.
     
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  24. NYCharger

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    He doesn't disagree.

    "Brown might very well start for the team in 2015, but the Chargers might very well have waited and gotten Brown — or somebody just as good as Brown — for a fraction of the cost."
     
  25. AnteaterCharger

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    I don't entirely disagree with this, I see the value in Brown but think we could also have found a draft pick to serve as a compliment. I agree we desperately need more defensive help but there's actually a decent number of CBs and DTs on the market. I wouldn't be surprised to see we address this sometime in the next two weeks. Also don't think TT wants to make same mistake he did last year.
     
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    If we can so easily wait til the draft to find a good running back why can't you say the same for our other positions of need?

    I hate the way so many fans and analysts use the draft as a purposely-vague fallback contrast to the choices teams make in free agency. It's a lazy argument because they never name names. "Why sign (Free Agent) when you can just find somebody in the draft?!" Well, tell me who you think they can get in the draft relative to their drafting position or shut up with your lazy analysis.
     
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    So we picked up a reasonably young RB with low mileage at a fair price. Seems to me this leaves the draft to address the defense.

    I like it. And remember - both Mathews AND Woodhead are FA's next year.

    But hey - whenever ANY of you guys get a job as a GM in the NFL, send me your card, mmmkay? :sleep:
     
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  28. Lance19

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    Meh.

    I like having the guy…but we probably paid too much…esp. given our more pressing defensive needs.
     
  29. JoeRockhead

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    Actually we had a back up running back need. The draft class is not so great at RB. Mathews goes down our run game is done. For god sakes what's the big deal ? We got a good Rb who has started and produced. Who else is out there we could have gotten for less with his upside? We aren't going to get a good nose tackle or corner for that matter worth much. The market for defensive line and backs are high right now. The price is going to be a lot steeper than for a rb. We need a guy that can be counted on in case Mr. Glass breaks again. Im all for adding defense and another wide out, but we needed a good insurance policy. Telesco knows the guy, and likes him. He knows what he is capable of. The guy for some reason is never appreciated. I think he will really help this team, and is worth what we paid. Just give the guy a chance. He isn't the big defensive player we needed, or a receiver that will help, but he IS a good addition , with a good track record of helping out his team.

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  30. Moses

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    Makes our 3 running backs BMW, hopefully they'll run nice and smooth like a beamer!
     
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