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Commisioner Goodell - Should be FIRED!

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Stan_The_Man_12, Feb 15, 2008.

  1. Stan_The_Man_12

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    While I think most don't give a hoot, it's not like the commish plays a single down, but I have to say IMO, he stinks, he in one season has cemented his place as the WORST commisioner in NFL history:

    - Destroying Evidence
    - Selective Prosecution
    - Lying (see below)

    I have no faith of confidence in this POS commish. He's a empty suit and should be booo'ed lustly when he step up to the podium on April 26th by all NFL fans[excluding the Patriots who he let slide].

    Stan :rivers17:

    Sen. Arlen Specter, Republican leader on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has been critical of the league's handling of Spygate and continues to investigate. Specter said he has the support of Judiciary Committee chair Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., though the importance of what his investigation uncovers will determine if there's a need for committee hearings.


    Specter has been in communication with the attorney for Walsh, and the lawmaker said he believes the former Patriots employee is a key to his investigation.


    Walsh's attorney said his trust of the NFL is an issue after learning that a league security officer and former FBI agent, Dick Farley, had interviewed two of Walsh's former co-workers at a Cape Cod golf course in Massachusetts. Walsh, 31, has been an assistant golf pro at several courses in New England and Arizona since leaving the Patriots. He currently works at a course on Maui.


    "Sending a former FBI agent to investigate his professional and personal life has not left Mr. Walsh feeling confident that the National Football League simply wants to encourage him to come forward with whatever information he has,'' Levy said.


    Aiello, the NFL spokesman, acknowledged that the league has looked at public records to verify Walsh's employment history in "an effort to learn about him -- however that is done.''


    Michael Levy, head of the white-collar investigations and enforcement group at the Washington firm of McKee Nelson, said gaining Walsh's cooperation is dependent upon the league meeting his terms for complete indemnification, which he provided Thursday to the NFL's outside counsel, Gregg Levy.


    Under the NFL's indemnification offer, Walsh's attorney said his client could still be sued if, for instance, the Patriots contested the accuracy of whatever information he comes forward with. That could prove an enormous cost battling an NFL franchise in court.


    "It is very easy to allege someone has been untruthful even if it can't be proven,'' Michael Levy said. "The NFL's proposal would leave Mr. Walsh completely unprotected against such an unproven allegation, because he would have to defend against it himself. And the NFL wants Mr. Walsh to give up the very materials he might need to prove his truthfulness.''


    Someone could argue, according to both Levy and Specter, that Goodell was untruthful when he misconstrued facts in a Jan. 31, 2008, letter to Specter. While assuring Specter that the league's investigation uncovered no videotaping chicanery by the Patriots leading up to their 2005 Super Bowl victory against the Philadelphia Eagles, Goodell wrote, "The two teams had only played one other game against each other in the current decade, a preseason game in the summer of 2003.''


    In fact, the Super Bowl showdown was the fifth game between the teams in the preceding 2½ years.


    "Clearly, commissioner Goodell should not seek to hold Mr. Walsh to a higher standard than the standard to which he would hold himself,'' Levy said. The attorney was careful to note that although Goodell's letter was inaccurate, he doesn't believe he acted in bad faith.

    He's making the NBA's Stern look like Pete Rozelle.
     
  2. RipTheJacker

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    Goodell is the worst Commish in sports and should of been fired months ago

    The guys trys to act like a hardass and comes down hard on crappy players like Chris Henry, Odel Thurman and pacman jones, but when it coems to the big boys hes becomes a a total *****

    Look at what happened with vick, he waited until there was absolutely no way around suspending him. He didnt have the stones to suspend him until FORCED to do so. Then he pussed out when it came to punishing the pats when they cheated, and not only went easy on them, but he helped them cover it up.

    The guy is ***** and is already the worst commissioner in the history of the NFL
     
  3. Thunderstruck

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    QFT
     
  4. Retired Catholic

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    I believe the Senate can provide him immunity if he is subpeonaed and testifies under oath. Getting the owners to reach consensus on doing something like firing Goodell is as likely as Paris Hilton shopping for a new dog at a Baghdad pet market.
     
  5. BOLTS4LIFE

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    We wanted Tagliabue gone and we got it.
    Now if Goodell is gone, who do we bring in next and how long do we give him/her?

    I think Goodell has done a good job so far. We'll see how this all works out in the end!!
     
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    Does the term "innocent until proven guilty" mean anything to you?
     
  7. RipTheJacker

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    Why didnt Chris Henry get that benefit of the doubt? Why didnt Pacman Jones get a chance to clear his name? Odel Thurman has been suspended for 2 years, what has he been charged with? Its because they are all nobodies who dont sell jerseys and dont put fans in the seats.

    Vick got every benefit because hes a big time moneymaker and when it became painfully obvious that there was no chance Vick was gonna beat this, then and only then did Goodell take action
     
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    That applies only to the LEGAL side of things, NOT to the NFL. The NFL can apply whatever codes/rules of conduct that are listed in every contract. Goodell did what he had to to suspend Pacman Jones for a year. Legally, Pacman is now being charged with only ONE misdemenor, but his conduct is what ultimately got him kicked out of the NFL for a year.
     
  9. Retired Catholic

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    Correct. There is a long established ability for employers to discipline people under contract for conduct that is damaging to the company. Sponsors pull endorsement contracts for the same reason. Pacman and the rest of the suspended goons and miscreants signed a contract that promised a certain level of professional diligence and public demeanor that would show credit to the league. Violate the contract, suffer the consequences. Don't like the money enough? Don't sign on the dotted line.
     
  10. BOLTS4LIFE

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    Henry and Jones were too obvious. Even if Jones was not responsible for the shooting, he DID bring a gun into the strip club. That alone needed some suspension.
    With that said, Pac Man did sell jerseys and would be selling a lot more if he were still playing. He might not have been as popular as Vick but he was not a nobody!!!

    As for Vick, wasn't he not allowed to attend the training camps before he confessed?
    I can understand this much... The dog fighting was taking place at his home in Virgina where his friends lived and he visited here and there.
    If I were Goodell, I would want to make sure it was proven that Vick did indeed participate in the dog fighting in any way, shape, or form before I suspended him.
    Same way if drugs were found in the house. I would give Vick the benefit of the doubt that maybe his friends were responsible for it and he knew nothing about it. Though even if he were found innocent, I would give him some sort of punishment just not to the same extent as if he were guilty.
     
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    The fact that he went into the strip club with a gun was enough alone for suspension.

    Even if Vick was found innocent of participating in the dog fights, I'm sure Goodell would have given him some sort of punishment.
    Something like what Ray Lewis got. Basically saying "do NOT bring the ghetto to the NFL!!!"
     
  12. RipTheJacker

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    Well by your reasoning, Vick should of been suspended alone for allowing illegal dog fight/killing and illegal sports betting to go on in his house.

    BTW, Pacman didnt sell jerseys except in Tennessee. Its like saying Jammer sells jerseys. The guy isnt a big name and didnt really have any fans outside of titan fans. Nothing like Vick. You see Vick jerseys anywhere you go
     
  13. BOLTS4LIFE

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    Absolutely. As I said "same way if drugs were found in the house. I would give Vick the benefit of the doubt that maybe his friends were responsible for it and he knew nothing about it."
    If he was allowing the dog fights to happen in his house, that is participating in the dog fights.

    As for Pac Man, I said "He might not have been as popular as Vick but he was not a nobody!!!" Pac Man Jones was a big name before his off field actions. He was not a nobody (as you put it).
     
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    On the one hand, I can understand Goodell wanting the whole thing to go away, particularly because so much of it happened prior to his tenure... In addition, exposing a scandal that spanned nearly a decade could cripple the tremendous PR factory that is the NFL.

    On the other hand, dolling out punishment without getting to the bottom of the evidence, then never bothering to have a "thorough" investigation is frightening.

    It wouldn't bother me one bit if Goodell was canned. He took a hard stance initially, but I ain't convinced he's the right guy for this job after it's all said and done.
     
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    Give it a little while. Goodell is putting the pieces together. Looking back on how he handled doling out punishment, he seems to make sure his ducks are in a row before he pulls the trigger.

    Vick just happened to have alot more ducks to line up before he could shoot.

    Along with the pressure from Congress, he will have to do something to save face. Probably trying to figure out how to repo the Lombardi's and give them to the Rams and Philly.
     
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    Part of the problem with this is all the ruckus it's going to cause- and probably already has with sportsbooks & bookies... Gonna be some pretty pissed off dudes who laid down major dough, won't just take the news with a grain of salt.
     
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    Very Well Said!! :tup:
     
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    I don't agree.

    Goodell was put in a very difficult situation. Like you said, almost all of the cheating happened before he took the Commish job.

    And destroying the tapes was something that all of the other NFL owners wanted. The entire league is on the same side on this. They would much rather let the Patriots get off easy and sweep everything under the rug.

    Goodell is a smart guy, I'm sure he has documentation that the destroying of the tapes was approved by the owners. No way is he getting fired over this, nor should he.
     
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    Yes, I too, have been patiently waiting for the other owners to display their moral outrage.
     
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    That is because it would be naive to think that the Patriots are the only team to have done stuff like this. Belichek could've even learned some of his "tricks" from Bill Parcells.

    The last thing the NFL wants is for the Patriots to be backed into a corner, and then have Kraft demand that all of the other teams be investigated as well. It would only be a matter of time before the press tracks down former employees of other teams.

    And in actuality, if Arlen Specter is playing the Anti-Trust card, he would be remiss if he DIDN'T investigate the entire league.

    At least this offseason won't be boring. :lol:
     
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    and the Mob. The Mob does not have a problem with cheating, just as they are in on it and are getting their cut.

    If they were on the wrong side of the line.....
     
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    Interesting line of reasoning about why the tapes were destroyed so quickly.
     
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    TK continues to hit the nail right on the head!!! :tup:

    All of this goes to show just how much Tagliabue sucked!!! :yes:
     
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    Well said. it wont be boring, and we are witnessing something that will be talked about for years. When our grandchildren say your 'pulled a Patriot', it wont be a good thing...
     
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    Let me state for the record that my commentary should not be interpreted as an indictement on Paul Tagliabue.

    But thank you for the props.

    :lol:
     
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    If I was an owner I would be beyond aggravated any evidence was destroyed. It sucks enough being a fan and knowing your opponent cheated for the past decade and is ultimately allowed to get away with it. They slap their players like Wilfork on the wrist and give them petty fines.

    It may be outright cruel and unsportsmanlike, but if someone were to break Brady's leg next season it would not bother me a bit. He's a heck of a QB, but without him NE is nothing. I guarantee whomever does it, be it intentional or not, will get suspended.

    So Goodell knowing destroyed evidence ... will Belichick be fined/suspended for his actions next season? I'm not talking some wimpy fines (slap on the wrist). Should nothing further progress from that I will completely lose any respect for this commish. Just another gutless POS "yes" man. Yeah, I know, guilty until proven innocent, but having read what I have so far I have very little respect for Goodell right now.
     
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    Destruction of evidence here is mostly a bad PR move, bad for the integrity and image of the league and it's marketability, not criminal activity-unless there is a way to stretch anti racketeering laws to fit the situation. The repercussions here will be civil judgments at worst and bad political fall out. Fines have already been imposed and there is no groundswell among the owners for any further action. Congress is investigating, but beyond fulminating, it isn't clear what they can do, other than make threats about anti-trust. The upshot appears to be rules changes, an explicit and enforceable code of ethics and maybe, and only maybe, a viable civil suit. The Lombardi is not going to go from one trophy case to another, players will not be returning play off money and no one is going to be banished from the league.
     
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    Gotta agree, RC. I don't see anything re: rings, trophies, or bonus money changing hands. The owners are going to retain a united front, regardless of what type of back-room dealings may go on. Bellichick & the Patsies have already gotten the formal punishment that they're going to get, other than perhaps another scolding.

    The opposing fans, on the other hand, will probably do a job on the Pats organization, along with a small portion of the media. Beyond that? It causes some ethics changes, as RC said, a few meetings to drive home what is unacceptable, & then back to business as usual. Specter may be a bit of a bulldog, but there will be no anti-trust loss for the NFL.
     
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    Who looks worse - Belichick or Goodell?


    By Joe Starkey
    TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Wednesday, February 20, 2008

    Mr. Tough Guy. That was Roger Goodell last spring.
    Following his first season as NFL commissioner, Goodell vowed to refurbish the league's image. He put some meat to his promise by issuing a series of player suspensions.

    Nobody messed with The Commish. People praised him -- but their compliments look silly today, amid the ever-expanding saga that is Spygate.

    Goodell has become as big a story as Bill Belichick in this matter and looks every bit as bad.



    Goodell's the one who ordered the destruction of evidence documenting the New England Patriots' illegal videotaping of opposing coaches' signals.
    Goodell's the one, according to Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), who levied the penalty before receiving all the evidence of New England's activities.

    That penalty -- fines plus the forfeiture of a first-round pick -- looked ridiculously lame compared to Goodell's draconian treatment of wayward players. He didn't suspend Belichick and didn't even have the guts to take New England's top pick (No. 7 overall) but rather their lower first-round pick.

    Before all this, back when Mr. Tough Guy was doling out suspensions like Skittles, The Washington Post quoted David Carter, executive director of the Sports Business Institute at Southern Cal, thusly:

    "(Goodell) has succinctly delivered a message of what the NFL stands for and what it expects. He understands that falling short on these issues would hurt his brand and hurt the owners' ability to generate revenues. He understands what it would mean if the sponsors came to regard the NFL as 'The Longest Yard.' "

    What would it mean if the sponsors learned of a devious coach cheating his way to Super Bowl wins?

    That might be a gross exaggeration, but there is so much we don't know about Belichick's operation. We'd likely know more if the NFL had conducted a serious investigation and, you know, kept the evidence. You have to wonder why Belichick continued the practice for so long if it wasn't providing a competitive advantage.

    Belichick has denied a report he had a St. Louis Rams workout filmed the day before the 2002 Super Bowl, but why should anybody believe him?

    Here's another beauty of a quote from the same Post story.

    Remember, this was long before Spygate.

    "(Goodell) understands, like we in ownership understand, that the American public wants to become emotionally involved in our teams and players," Patriots owner Robert Kraft said. "That's the reason these companies spend the money they do and these (television) networks spend the money they do. Certain behavior isn't tolerated by the American public."

    Like cheating?


    Thank goodness Specter came along. Only a person in a position of power could have prevented Goodell from burying this issue. After his meeting with Goodell last week, Specter said he was told Belichick's cheating goes back to 2000, a tidbit Goodell had conveniently avoided mentioning in public.

    Look, Specter probably has questionable motives. He's probably grandstanding. But he also has become football's answer to Jose Canseco - the wacko who blew the whistle.

    Somebody had to do it.

    And if you think the NFL would look bad if Spygate reached a courtroom or the Senate floor, imagine somebody with clout pressing Mr. Tough Guy on players and their pharmaceutical habits.

    Here's what Goodell said when this reporter asked him, in October, 2006, if the NFL has a problem with performance-enhancing drugs:

    "I don't think it's a problem."

    That was funnier than anything Burt Reynolds said in "The Longest Yard."


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    Kraft to Goodell, "What day is it?"
     

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