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Cowboys shouldn't have passed on Norv

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Johnny Lightning, Dec 15, 2009.

  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    Chargers coach Norv Turner was passed over to be the Cowboys' head coach in favor of Wade Phillips following the 2006 season.


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    ESPN.com
    By Matt Mosley

    IRVING, Texas -- Cowboys owner Jerry Jones had a tough choice to make three years ago. And unless the Cowboys experience their first playoff success in more than a decade, it's a choice that will continue to haunt Jones.

    After Bill Parcells walked away following the 2006 season, Jones worked through a list of replacements that included future NFL head coaches Tony Sparano, Todd Haley and Mike Singletary. But Jones wanted someone who had experience as a head coach and that's why Wade Phillips and Norv Turner were the finalists.

    Of course, Jones had a close relationship with Turner because the coach had helped guide the Cowboys to two Super Bowls as the offensive coordinator in the '90s. The eventual Hall of Fame quarterback on those teams, Troy Aikman, attributes much of his success to Turner and he lobbied Jones on behalf of his close friend.

    I remember seeing Turner, Aikman, Jason Garrett and Jones together at the Super Bowl in Miami three years ago and thinking that it would be difficult for Phillips to prevail. We all know what happened next. Jones had invested heavily on the defensive side of the ball while converting to Parcells' favored 3-4 scheme and he thought Phillips would be the better fit.

    Jones already had hired Garrett from the Dolphins to be his offensive coordinator and that's the decision that ultimately doomed Turner's candidacy. Jones gambled that the cerebral Garrett eventually would be able to do for Tony Romo what Turner once did for Aikman. With Garrett in place, hiring Turner seemed like overkill to Jones.

    Plus, Jones realized how valuable offensive line coach/playcaller Sparano was to his staff and knew that he could mentor the Ivy Leaguer. And you have to admit that the decision seemed pretty sound when Phillips led the Cowboys to a 13-3 regular-season record in his first season. Then came Romo's infamous Cabo trip and the subsequent playoff loss to the Giants. Sparano left to become the coach of the Dolphins and Jones committed $3 million per year to Garrett to keep him from taking offers from Baltimore and Atlanta.

    Turner, who has been reluctant to talk about Jones' decision this week, replaced Marty Schottenheimer as the coach of the Chargers in '07 and he has gone 10-0 in December and 3-2 in the playoffs. If you don't think he wants to stick it to his former boss at Cowboys Stadium on Sunday, you haven't spent much time around the man. Turner comes across as mild-mannered in public, but he has a fiery side that many of his players have seen over the years. Turner has been able to rewrite his legacy as a head coach over the past three seasons. Every year, the Chargers stumble out of the gates, but they're at their best when the stakes are highest.

    [​IMG] Would Tony Romo be a different quarterback had Norv Turner been his coach the last three seasons?


    Could Turner have had the same playoff success in Dallas that he has had in San Diego? It's difficult to say. Coaches face more scrutiny in Dallas because it's a larger media market and there are more expectations from the organization's national fan base. Turner has faced plenty of criticism in San Diego, but I don't think it rises to the level of what Phillips has encountered in Dallas.

    But I think the biggest difference is that Turner would've been the perfect choice for Romo. Parcells always said that Romo was the type of quarterback you needed to coach "all the way through a game." What he meant is that Romo's penchant for going rogue needed to be monitored closely. It always bothered Parcells that Romo liked to give advice to the officials, coaches and anyone else within earshot.

    Turner had admired Romo's immense talent from afar and I think he would've known how to help the quarterback strike a balance between protecting the football and using his rare improvisational skills to make big plays. It now looks like Romo's finding that balance, but it has been a painful process to watch at times.

    Turner was diplomatic when asked how disappointed he was not to land the Cowboys job three years ago. I know for a fact that he wanted to back out of the process at one point because he didn't like how things were going, but a family member convinced him to see it through.

    "Again, when you're in the middle of one of those things, I think you get a sense, a feel, for what's happening," Turner said on a conference call Wednesday. "I wasn't surprised. When you're not surprised, I think the disappointment is different."

    I realize that Turner coaches in a weaker division than the NFC East, but it's hard to argue with what he's accomplished. He attributes his late-season success to tweaking the Chargers' practice schedule and changing up drills. He thinks it breaks up the monotony of a long season and keeps his players fresh. It also helps to have a quarterback who seems to flourish late in the season.

    Both Phillips and Turner inherited talented, young quarterbacks and excellent defenses. It's ironic that Phillips basically built the defense in San Diego.

    Phillips still has a chance to change his legacy, one that he defends vehemently when challenged. But deep down he must know that coaches' reputations are forged by how their teams perform in the playoffs.

    And by that measure, it's pretty obvious the Cowboys made the wrong decision.
     
  2. HollywoodLeo

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    Love the hindsight. If I remember right, a lot of the national media were circling Norval like buzzards, waiting for his professional corpse to quit breathing.
     
  5. BOLTS4LIFE

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    Wade is nothing to brag about as HC either. I remember when the Bills were in their last two games of the season with a spot in the playoffs... he pulled Flutie and put in Rob Johnson for the remainder of the season and playoffs.
    That didn't make any sense at all!
     
  6. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I'm happy for Norv the way things have worked out for him here in San Diego. If he brings home the Lombardi, they'll have to change the name of Friars Rd.

    As for Wade, I have never been impressed with him. His career has bloomed from his daddy's boot straps and wade ain't no Bum.
     
  7. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Yeah I'm still not ready to believe in Norv. If we can beat the Bengals, and then turn around on a short week and travel to Tennessee after a physical game, AND ACTUALLY LOOK PREPARED.....I will definatly believe in Norv.

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  8. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Just make sure you have your coke bottle lens glasses on so you'll be able to witness it in living color. :icon_tease: :icon_toast: :tup:
     
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    the short week after a big game sucks.

    and a Thursday no less

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  10. HollywoodLeo

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    It's Friday, actually. But the point remains.
     
  11. HollywoodLeo

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    Anyways, to play Devil's Advocate for a second, it's not like Norv and Wade were the Cowboys' only two options.

    This is akin to Chargers fans trying to compare Marty to Norv like they were our only two options.
     
  12. Kwak

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    In the end, that is who it came down to. Norv or Wade and Jerry went with Wade.
     
  13. HollywoodLeo

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    Right. He went with Wade over Norv and everyone else that was available at the time.

    The fact that Norv was in the running to the very end is immaterial. He was still not the only other option. Making him the only other option was Jerry's decision, so the other available coaches still factor in.
     
  14. BOLTS4LIFE

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    Sure they were (according to many BT posters). Remember the big argument by many that you didn't have the third option of "neither?" :lol: :icon_tease:
     
  15. BOLTS4LIFE

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    Norv has us headed in the right direction. My respect for him will be determined at the end of the season.

    Not to take away from Norv but the MAJOR reason for our success this season is Rivers. Not only his playing ability but also his leadership. Without him, the Raiders would have swept us.
     
  16. Brundlefly

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    And Norv has helped develop Rivers into the QB he is and players themselves have said how Norv's composure/preparation has been a huge factor this season
     
  17. HollywoodLeo

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    Nice try, but this isn't a poll asking us to choose between the two. :lol:
     
  18. HollywoodLeo

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    Rivers credits Norv highly for his success

    Just sayin
     
  19. BOLTS4LIFE

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    Yeah. Preparation was one of his biggest weaknesses in 07 and 08 but that seems to have improved.
     
  20. Kwak

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    Ok, let make it a bit more clear.

    In the final round after all the coaches that did not have any HC experience were eliminated, it was a decision between Norv and Wade. Kinda of like after the primaries were over and there were 2 candidates left to choose from.
     
  21. HollywoodLeo

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    But who made the decision that everyone else was "eliminated"?

    That's right, Jerry Jones.

    The primaries don't compare. The American public makes those decisions.
     

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