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Developers to test Chargers' interest in move to L.A.

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  1. SD Native WY

    SD Native WY Well-Known Member

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    Link:http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/oct/06/bn06industry-offer-bolts/?chargers

    Developers to test Chargers' interest in move to L.A.

    By Matthew T. Hall
    Union-Tribune Staff Writer
    8:13 p.m. October 6, 2009

    OVERVIEW

    Background: Developers want to bring professional football back to the Los Angeles area with a privately financed $800 million stadium in Industry.

    What's changing: They intend to approach half a dozen National Football League teams, including the San Diego Chargers, in February about relocating.

    The future: The Chargers expect to be exploring options countywide come 2010, but after each season can pay a termination fee to leave San Diego.

    The developers who want to bring professional football back to the Los Angeles area said Tuesday that they'll approach the San Diego Chargers and five other teams in February about moving as early as next season.

    Majestic Realty Co. Vice President John Semcken III revealed his intentions at a breakfast gathering of the Orange County Business Industry Association in Costa Mesa. He made headlines more than a year ago with a pronouncement he had “no doubt” that a National Football League team would be playing in Los Angeles in 2009.

    On Tuesday, Semcken hadn't lost any of his optimism.
    He said the state Senate will help clear a last hurdle for an $800 million, 600-acre stadium project in the city of Industry by Oct. 15 – either via legislation, already passed by the Assembly, to bypass state environmental laws – or by negotiations Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg arranged last month.
    “Come next week, our stadium will be approved,” Semcken said. “Then we'll be able to go out and buy a football team.”
    It may not be that easy, of course.

    The Chargers, for one, “expect and hope” to be playing in San Diego next season, said Mark Fabiani, point person on the team's push for a new stadium.
    The team has a three-month window every February to inform San Diego city officials by letter that it's leaving town, breaking a lease that has the Chargers playing at Qualcomm Stadium through 2020. In 2010, a departure would cost the team $54.6 million, but the termination fee drops to $25.8 million in 2011.
    “The (relocation window) this year opened and closed, and we didn't do anything,” Fabiani said. “We anticipate that the one next year will open and close, and we won't do anything.”

    After exploring potential stadium sites in National City, Oceanside and Chula Vista in recent years, the team is discussing options in Escondido and downtown San Diego. Majestic briefed team executives about its private financing plans in 2008.

    Semcken said new talks would begin after the Super Bowl in February, and may involve the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Buffalo Bills, the Minnesota Vikings, the St. Louis Rams, the Chargers and the Oakland Raiders.

    The San Francisco 49ers could also be pursued if a vote for a new stadium in Santa Clara fails.
    “There are at least seven teams that are having an issue,” Semcken said. “San Francisco, I think they're fine. So the other six teams, one of those six will move to our stadium.”

    Semcken said the NFL could return to the area in 2010 but more likely in 2011 and that a team would play close by before moving to Industry in 2013.

    He did not say how big a stake his boss, billionaire Ed Roski Jr., would want in whatever team relocated. He also didn't mention that unless Roski sells the Silverton hotel and casino he's owned in Las Vegas since 1997 that the NFL won't let Roski buy a team.

    Roski is a friend of the Spanos family, which owns the Chargers. He was recently named the 236th richest American by Forbes magazine, with a net worth of $1.5 billion, and is a minority owner of the Los Angeles Lakers and Kings and built the Staples Center where the Lakers play.

    At the Orange County builders' breakfast, Semcken said the NFL has no interest in expanding beyond the existing 32 teams at this stage, but it does seem high on the prospect of returning to Los Angeles 15 years since the departure of the Raiders and Rams.

    The project consists of a 75,000-seat stadium, 25,000 parking spots, 1.1 million square feet of retail, 1.4 million square feet of offices, practice fields, an orthopedic facility and room for an adjunct football Hall of Fame.

    Perhaps it was just an unintentional reference to the team that has called San Diego home since 1961, but when Semcken was done Tuesday, home builder Dave Bartlett said, “I don't know about anyone else, but I'm charged up.”
     
  2. SDRaiderH8er

    SDRaiderH8er Well-Known Member

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    I see them moving.


    The Chargers and or San Diego keep throwing crap at us fans. You cant go in the parking lot until 4 hours before kick off, you cant smoke inside the stadium, you can only go inside the stadium through certain gates., the Gold Club has its own gates, You can only park in certain spots once you get inside the stadium parking lot, and if you want to go to another location, it will take you up to an hour to be able to move to another location. Once inside, once you leave you cannot re-enter the Stadium.

    They are making it so it is not very much fun to go to a game.
     
  3. Buck Melanoma

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    There's a reason for all of this. It will become apparent once they move & start accessing a larger market.

    Spanos isn't stupid, just devious.
     
  4. SDRaiderH8er

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    your right, what used to be fun is now becoming a chore. It used to be fun to go to a Chargers game. Nowadays, I feel as if I am in a herd of cattle, and we are on our way to the slaughter house.

    On the plus side is being with great people before and after the games. The tailgates are awesome, but they took one hour of tailgating away last year, what’s next.
     
  5. Buck Melanoma

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    I've only had the experience twice & you're right, H8er - hanging with a great group of folks is one of the big joys of that experience.

    This is likely happening to one degree or another to many teams. Increased popularity, more concern over the poor behavior of a few bad apples, desire for a bigger revenue stream - it's all starting to spell the demise of the average Joe fan & moving towards the realm of the wealthy & corporate-connected.

    Riddle me this, folks - once you get that new stadium, how many of you will be able to afford the PSL that will come with being a season ticket holder? With all of the revenue stream that comes from sources like NFL Ticket, owners could give a flying phuc about the average fan actually attending a game unless it comes via a corporate connection or you have plenty of disposable income.

    Sooner or later the NFL is going to screw themselves & it may come sooner rather than later.
     
  6. Trumpet_Man

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    The parking lot porta potties are on many occassions overflowing **** and piss and puke from the San Diego State Saturday games.

    Ace parking opens the gates early and late. Ace parking allows visiting teams families to stake out parking places prior to the gates opening in the general admission parking places which is suppose to be for - you know - us - the home team fans.

    All the motor homes and all the excitement they provided are now all corralled like a herd of animals to one section of the parking lot. Cutting down on the tailgating times and having to feel like you have to "rush" to get everything done is bullshit. It costs enough to attend and having to feel like you are being rushed to get in and get out is not cool.

    If you put your canopy tent pole and it encroaches on your neighbors parking lot space - expect a ticket (and for glass as well).

    No consulation whatsoever with fans on banning all smoking. There is not even a designated area anymore. You have to believe the no smoking rule will extend to the parking lot and without our knowledge - again. If that happens - it will signal the end of the world.

    They keep taking without asking and in many circles that is crossing the line.

    Now I am hearing from little birdies .... we are off to LA. :tdown: Once I know for sure whether this team is staying or going, they ain't getting one more dime out of this fan. :bolt:
     
  7. wrbanwal

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    all these inconveniences at the stadium sound like they coming from the city. I'll hold onto hope that Charger ownership wants SD as their home
     
  8. SDRaiderH8er

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    can someone explain to me why I have to wait 20 Minutes to get inside that porta potty that is full?
     
  9. HollywoodLeo

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    I hate to nitpick because you certainly have valid points with the rest of this, but isn't that a city ordinance that has nothing to do with the Chargers?
     
  10. SDRaiderH8er

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    Before the Chargers said they were looking into a move, and that would be about 5 years ago.

    I had a blast going to, tailgating, watching, and leaving the game. Then the after party was better when we won but I still had a good time out in the parking lot.

    Now its take my money get inside, shut up, you will enjoy the game, now get the hell out of here, and do not be late for the next game.

    There is no more game day experience.
     
  11. SDRaiderH8er

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    The Chargers make the gates that we can go into the stadium, the city does not allow smoking, and I do not know who is behind the parking lot opening up an hour earlier.

    You feel like cattle going into the stadium, and I have that same feeling trying to get out of there with all the traffic.
     
  12. SDRaiderH8er

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    I just hope we do not have the same scenario like the Cleveland Browns did when they moved to Baltimore, a couple of years later they win the Super Bowl as the Baltimore Ravens.
     
  13. Buck Blincoe

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    Is it possible the "game-day experience" caused many more problems than it was worth?
     
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    and if they take away that experience, why should I go?

    I am not beef, I am not going to the slaughter house, I do not need to have some "BARNEY FIFE" rent-a-cop protecting me. 10 years ago I enjoyed every single game, and yes that included going to a Ryan Leaf Game.
     
  15. Buck Blincoe

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    But that begs the question I asked. From a business man's perspective is the "game-day experience" worth the problems it creates?
     
  16. SDRaiderH8er

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    IMO.

    No.

    Now are the Chargers doing this on purpose, so they can move?
     
  17. Buck Blincoe

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    Nah....if the Owners wanted to move, I doubt they would need to play those kinds of games...they would just move. LA is a much different market from San Diego, but I have my doubts as to whether or not a stadium could get built for quite a while in the City of Industry...that said..LA would probably earn the owners many more dollars than they can get in San Diego. The national exposure is much greater, and the advertising market would grow considerably...not to mention the increase in sales of gear and other money makers.
     
  18. SDRaiderH8er

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    and every year they stay, the amount of the expansion that the Chargers would have to pay drops.

    Besides, the SUPER BOWL would be coming back to LA.
     

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