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Dielman close to announcing retirement

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by DenverBolt67, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. DenverBolt67

    DenverBolt67 BoltTalker

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    Damn. Guess this changes a few things.
     
  3. Blue Bolt

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    They definitely have to keep Hardwick and Gaither then..... can't rebuild the entire line in one year.
     
  4. DenverBolt67

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    I wonder how will Dielman retiring affect Hardwick's decision to stay or go since he has said multiple time that Dielman is his best friend.
     
  5. AnteaterCharger

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    That's definitely not good but he's gotta do what he must to stay healthy
     
  6. The LBC

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    Well... Dielman is one of them and Garay is the other. It would be - beneficial I suppose is the best word - to have them hire Kris as an offensive assistant or assistant OL coach to facilitate keeping Nick around, but ultimately I just hope this presses front office to start considering who is going to succeed Hardwick that much sooner (as typically accomplished center prospects are also capable of playing LG in the pro's, which kind of gives us a 2-for-1 impact on the pick).

    Green is only serviceable if Gaither is the starter at LT and even then he's in a contract-year and doesn't have a terribly high ceiling. McNeill doesn't run-block well enough to kick inside to guard. Schilling is too much of an unknown for my comfort level. And dear lord, here it comes... we'll get a great prospect, but here's the opportunity for AJ to both appease the "Beef" contingent and piss them off in one fell swoop. No way DeCastro makes it past the Cowboys (and that's the furthest I could see him falling), so by AJ math that means we'd need to trade at least 3-4 spots higher than them. Hello elite interior OL prospect... goodbye 2nd round pick.
     
  7. DenverBolt67

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    And goodbye impact pass rusher unless it comes in free agency
     
  8. rickochey

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    i do not like the reasons why he is retiring. If AJ stuck to his moto of 'line them up three deep' we wouldn't be worried about how to rebuild the O-line. AJ doesn't even follow his own plan/how-to. I am sure there is a ST player out there that AJ will draft before an O-line guy. He needs to sign Gaither NOW.
     
  9. Sydalish

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    Sad to see him go but I don't blame him one bit.
     
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    curious what you meant by this sentence

    No one is happy with "why" Dielman is retiring but it is 100% absolutely the right thing to do if he, his family, or his doctor have future health concerns for Kris if he continues to play.
    I don't think you understand the "three deep" phrase. Name one team in the league with pro bowl linemen on their bench just waiting for a chance to start. We had guys on the bench, they were just not ready to start full time. That's why they are on the bench. I don't blame AJ for that one bit. I think he did a great job finding replacements for the devastated line last season. Any team that experienced the amount of injuries we did on the OL and still managed to not get their QB killed would deserve my respect.

    I do, however, completely agree with you that it's past time we started spending some of those high draft picks on some better linemen. All them 5-7th rounders haven't panned out (and won't anytime soon). I've been crying for first round grade A Prime BEEF for years.
     
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    Two words to replace Kris Dielman - Ben Grubbs

    I've been harping on bringing this guy here, I have been screaming about it, he's a great all around guard and as durable as they come. He'd be a great addition next to Gaither.
    Alternatively I'd be absolutely fine with FINALLY giving Scott Mrzucowski the chance to start but I guess that won't happen
     
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    I like grubbs just as much as I like Carl Nicks. If we don't get either of them and David DeCastro doesn't fall to us at 18 then I can handle Tyronne Green filling in as my plan E. Plan A) Dielman plays, B) Nicks, C) Grubbs, D) DeCastro, E) Green.
     
  13. Ikeman83

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    Our line is going to be Gaither, Schilling, Eyechart, Vazquez, Clary. It's just going to happen, so we might as well get ready for it. Smitty will not draft a lineman in rounds 1 or 2.
     
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    Huge loss to the team if he does retire, but hes right to, his long term health is more important. If he retires I wish him all the best for the future.
     
  15. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I'd rather see Dielman retire than try and "stick it out" especially if the doctors are telling him to do so.
     
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    The reason why is his health I'd like to see him finish his career on his terms. His motoring skills could be severally impacted with any kinds of sudden brain trauma/movement. He doesn't need to even get hit or have any contact with anyone.

    I do understand the 'three deep' phrase. AJ said,'We line them up three deep and let them play.' That is straight forward. AJ did not give a disclaimer about how 'Three deep' should be interpreted. Unless, a player from the bench can actually play no one knows if he is a pro-bowler. Example. Chargers had, FLutie, Brees, Rivers, .. Pats had Bledsoe, Brady. I know that is just QBs but it does happen. It happened in the past and it will happen again in the future.
     
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    I guess there is a positive side to this, we should have a ton of extra cap space available with him retiring, McNeil and Castillo likely getting released, and VJ possibly walking.
     
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    I am fine with Castillo walking but VJ is a game breaker with Rivers. VJ needs to think real hard about leaving the Chargers because he may not be all that on a different team Look at OchoCinco he thought he was the sh** at WR until he got to NE and Belichick sat him for not being good enough.

    McNeil I felt he always did a fine job but I think Gaither was better.
     
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    IMO, VJ is a nice to have player but not a needed player, as we saw by Rivers being the leading passer in the NFL while he was holding out in 2010.
     
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    oh yeah, we also had Tutu. whom I thought would have been a great replacement.
     
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    yup now it really looks like we are going to get a Wide Receiver with the #1 pick.
     
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    We are talking about AJ. Someway and some how he is going to show everyone in the NFL and all sports fans across the globe just how he can out fox/smart everyone by using that #1 on a kicker. :eek:
     
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    Only person who did that was Al Davis. I don't think AJ is quite that suicidal
     
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    I'm telling you Brandon Washington, is a guard and he was forced to play LT this year for a injured teammate. He runs blocks really well as a LT has good mobility and will be even better playing LG.
     
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    If we lose both Dielman and Hardwick, I think that may finally be the "motivation/excuse" AJ needs to bite the bullet on a 1st round OL (or at minimum a 2nd rounder). Despite the fact that so many want to make it sound like he NEVER spends anything more than a 5th on OL, that's actually not the case when we're in need of starters and have a hole on the 1st team line. When we needed to fill for a departing Roman Oben at LT, AJ spent a 2nd rounder on McNeill. When Jason Ball wasn't cutting the mustard at center, AJ went out and spent a 3rd on Hardwick. When Goff moved on in free agency (and age), and it was obvious Kynan Forney wasn't anything more than a stop-gap (and a poor one at that), he spent a 3rd on Vasquez (for a pure RG with not much other position versatility, a 3rd round investment is actually pretty standard).

    Now, I'm being realistic here and as much as I would see value in Peter Konz in the 1st round (because he can step right in at guard if Hardwick does return, or start immediately center if he does retire) I wouldn't be expecting to see that pick from AJ, but it would be possible. More likely would be grasping for someone like Ben Jones or David Molk in the 2nd round.

    I'm just hoping that Dielman's retirement doesn't cause a kneejerk reaction in the name of continuity to stick with McNeill over Gaither. Dielman was making McNeill look better for years, without Dielman he's just going to flounder more than he already has.
     
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    So a WR who has over 1000 yards receiving is merely a "nice to have" player?
     
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    Don't you know that VJ is a system receiver who only shows up 50% of the time?
     
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    Just go righ down the list and you can see that both GMs were trying to find good O-linemen. You can see by the crappy drft of 07 and 08 where the talent dropped off from only having 5 picks.
     
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    So he could've had over 2000 receiving yards then? [/SARCASM]
     
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    Formal announcement on Thursday:

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/28/dielman-will-announce-retirement-thursday/

     

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