1. Welcome to San Diego Chargers NFL Football Podcast and Forum!

    Bolt Talk is one of the largest online communities for the San Diego Chargers. We host a regular Chargers podcast during the season. You are currently viewing our community forums as a guest user.

    Create an Account or

    Having an account grants you additional privileges, such as creating and participating in discussions. Furthermore, we hide most of the ads once you register as a member!
    Dismiss Notice

Dielman's free agency

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Shamrock, Feb 8, 2007.

  1. Shamrock

    Shamrock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2006
    Messages:
    11,922
    Ratings:
    +1,243
    Something that is worriesome ......

    Cleveland (Chud), NYJ (B. Schotty), and Miami (Cam) all have one thing in common. Weak offensive lines.

    All three coaches (Chud, Schotty, Cam) know Dielman, professionally and personally. That's going to suck for us. The bidding will be high for him, and I worry that AJ won't match the cost to keep him. Look for at least two of those three teams to bid on Dielman.
     
  2. Shamrock

    Shamrock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2006
    Messages:
    11,922
    Ratings:
    +1,243
    NC Times story:


    .....

    Dielman update

    With the NFL free-agency period beginning March 2, it appears more and more likely that Pro Bowl guard Kris Dielman will test the market.

    Smith wouldn't divulge details of the negotiations but said the dialogue has been lengthy.

    "It's a top priority, and I have no idea where that will go," Smith said. "We'll do what's in the best interests of the San Diego Chargers, and they'll do what's in the best interests of the player.

    "I'm optimistic, but it appears to me that they're going to go to the market to try to get the best possible deal. If he's here, I'll be happy. If he's not, I'll be disappointed."

    If Dielman doesn't sign a new deal with the Chargers before the start of free agency, the Miami Dolphins figure to be one of the teams seeking his services.

    New Dolphins coach Cam Cameron, the former Chargers offensive coordinator, coached Dielman in college at Indiana.
     
  3. BoltzRule

    BoltzRule Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 4, 2006
    Messages:
    2,238
    Ratings:
    +155
    Not really surprising I'm kind of expecting him to leave. If we re-sign him I'll be surprised, it appears he's going after the big bucks especially after seeing what Hutchinson got.
     
  4. loweezy

    loweezy BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2006
    Messages:
    410
    Ratings:
    +45
    Get used to it folks. I hope that Dielman somehow finds his way back onto this roster, but because of the talent level on this team, we will see some good players come and go.
     
  5. BoltsFanUK

    BoltsFanUK Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2006
    Messages:
    7,111
    Ratings:
    +848
    I hope we re sign this guy as he's a valuable part of the O-line
     
  6. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    19,108
    Ratings:
    +2,928
    i did mention there is a possibility of the chargers franchising dielman
     
  7. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2006
    Messages:
    10,928
    Ratings:
    +1,746
    Dielman is the biggest MUST we have this offseason.
     
  8. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    19,108
    Ratings:
    +2,928
    but he's not irreplaceable
    guards are one of the easiest to replace
     
  9. foober

    foober BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2006
    Messages:
    2,980
    Ratings:
    +200
    Not good ones.

    Friggin hutchinson and minnesota are probably the reason were having trouble with getting dielman signed.
     
  10. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    Messages:
    23,310
    Ratings:
    +1,703
    Dallas, Miami, Seattle and Cleveland, among others, are expected to bid for his services.. I hope I'm wong but I think he's gone...
     
  11. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2006
    Messages:
    53,030
    Ratings:
    +4,976
    What happened to "If he wants to be a Charger he will sign the offer"?
     
  12. foober

    foober BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2006
    Messages:
    2,980
    Ratings:
    +200
    Its seemed to me this has been what dielmans wanted all along. To hit free agency and see if some team will over pay. Which will probably happen. But if no team does he may be back. Doesn't look good right now.
     
  13. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

    Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2006
    Messages:
    6,980
    Ratings:
    +1,580
    Do you think he'll get Hutchinson money?
     
  14. foober

    foober BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2006
    Messages:
    2,980
    Ratings:
    +200
    I don't think so. But hutchinson raised the bar high enough that dielman should be able to wrangle a contract better than usual. I can't remember what good guards used to get just two years ago. But I think the avearge salary a year was 1 to 2 million a year. I think hutchinson is getting around 3 million a year or more. I'm just guessing here. But the bar was raised alot with the hutchinson contract.
     
  15. in_a_days

    in_a_days dgaf

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    8,038
    Ratings:
    +1,018
    You forgot to explain to us how it's all Marty's fault... :lol:
     
  16. stonuts

    stonuts BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2006
    Messages:
    10
    Ratings:
    +1
    Dielman = franchise tag

    He's well worth the franchise tag Hutchinson's contract numbers will be dragged down by the other 4 that are averaged.

    Dielman is a top 5 offensive guard.
     
  17. in_a_days

    in_a_days dgaf

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    8,038
    Ratings:
    +1,018
    I could live with that. :yes:
     
  18. Thunderstruck

    Thunderstruck BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2006
    Messages:
    1,981
    Ratings:
    +272
    Well, we know AJ won't overpay to keep him. That's the problem with being responsible under the cap--sometimes it's painful and you have to let good players walk. But if you start making exceptions then you find yourself in cap hell within 2-3 years. If we overpay Dielman by a million per season, then we overpay Phillips by a million per season, we'll have already overspent to the point of losing 1 or 2 quality depth players. Then next year we overpay Florence by half a million and someone else by a million.. we could be looking at '03 again real quick. And it won't be all that long before we need to anticipate PR making a big-time contract in the $10 million per season range. LT's back-loaded contract keeps escalating.

    (God this sucks.)

    I want Dielman back, but I do not think he's worth Hutchinson money at this point. He's probably a top-5 guard, but if he wants $6 million per season he has to go.
     
  19. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    19,108
    Ratings:
    +2,928
    No guard is worth 6mil a year
     
  20. RMANCIL

    RMANCIL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,121
    Ratings:
    +223
    1) Andrews, Shawn Philadelphia Eagles

    Faneca, Alan Pittsburgh Steelers

    Hutchinson, Steve Minnesota Vikings

    Diehl, David New York Giants

    Dielman, Kris San Diego Chargers

    Jean-Gilles, Max Philadelphia Eagles

    Joseph, Davin Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    Shields, Will Kansas City Chiefs

    Simmons, Kendall Pittsburgh Steelers

    Snee, Chris New York Giants

    Waters, Brian Kansas City Chiefs

    Top OG take a look and you rate them , hard to say he is top 5/














    Alexander, P.J. Atlanta Falcons
    Allen, Larry San Francisco 49ers
    Anderson, Bennie Miami Dolphins

    Andrews, Stacy Cincinnati Bengals
    Andruzzi, Joe Cleveland Browns
    B
    NAME TEAM
    Baas, David San Francisco 49ers
    Badger, Brad Oakland Raiders
    Bell, Jacob Tennessee Titans
    Berger, Joe Dallas Cowboys
    Boothe, Kevin Oakland Raiders
    Bridges, Jeremy Carolina Panthers
    Brown, Elton Arizona Cardinals
    Brown, Jason Baltimore Ravens
    Brown, Milford Arizona Cardinals
    Brown, Ruben Chicago Bears
    Buenning, Dan Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    C
    NAME TEAM
    Carlisle, Cooper Denver Broncos
    Chambers, Kirk Buffalo Bills
    Chester, Chris Baltimore Ravens
    Clabo, Tyson Atlanta Falcons
    Clarke, Adrien New York Jets
    Clinkscale, Jonathan Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Coleman, Cosey Cleveland Browns
    Colledge, Daryn Green Bay Packers
    Connolly, Dan Jacksonville Jaguars
    D
    NAME TEAM
    Davis, Frank Detroit Lions
    DeMulling, Rick Detroit Lions


    Dockery, Derrick Washington Redskins
    Douglas, Cody Tennessee Titans
    E
    NAME TEAM

    F
    NAME TEAM

    Fonoti, Toniu Miami Dolphins
    Forney, Kynan Atlanta Falcons
    Friedman, Lennie Cleveland Browns
    G
    NAME TEAM
    Gandy, Dylan Indianapolis Colts
    Garza, Roberto Chicago Bears
    Geisinger, Justin Tennessee Titans
    Goff, Mike San Diego Chargers
    Goodwin, Jonathan New Orleans Saints
    Gray, Chris Seattle Seahawks
    Green, Cornell Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Gurode, Andre Dallas Cowboys
    H
    NAME TEAM
    Hadnot, Rex Miami Dolphins
    Hamilton, Ben Denver Broncos
    Heitmann, Eric San Francisco 49ers
    Herremans, Todd Philadelphia Eagles
    Herrera, Anthony Minnesota Vikings
    Hicks, Artis Minnesota Vikings
    Hochstein, Russ New England Patriots
    Holland, Montrae New Orleans Saints
    Hopson, Tyrone Detroit Lions
    Hulsey, Corey Oakland Raiders

    I
    NAME TEAM
    Incognito, Richie St. Louis Rams
    J
    NAME TEAM
    Jackson, Scott Houston Texans
    James, Jeno Miami Dolphins

    Jordan, Leander San Diego Chargers

    K
    NAME TEAM
    Kelly, Lewis New York Giants
    Kemoeatu, Chris Pittsburgh Steelers
    Kendall, Pete New York Jets
    Klemm, Adrian Green Bay Packers
    Kuper, Chris Denver Broncos
    L
    NAME TEAM
    Leffew, Travis Green Bay Packers
    Lefotu, Kili Washington Redskins
    Lehr, Matt Atlanta Falcons
    Lilja, Ryan Indianapolis Colts
    Liwienski, Chris Arizona Cardinals
    Locklear, Sean Seattle Seahawks

    M
    NAME TEAM
    Mahan, Sean Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Mankins, Logan New England Patriots
    Manuwai, Vince Jacksonville Jaguars
    Mathis, Evan Carolina Panthers
    Matua, Fred Cleveland Browns
    Mayberry, Jermane New Orleans Saints
    Merz, Aaron Buffalo Bills
    Metcalf, Terrence Chicago Bears
    Moll, Tony Green Bay Packers
    Moore, Brandon New York Jets
    Mruczkowski, Gene New England Patriots
    Mulitalo, Edwin Baltimore Ravens
    Murphy, Jason Seattle Seahawks
    N
    NAME TEAM
    Naeole, Chris Jacksonville Jaguars
    Ndukwe, Ikechuku Baltimore Ravens
    Neal, Stephen New England Patriots
    Nesbit, Jamar New Orleans Saints
    Noll, Ben Detroit Lions
    O
    NAME TEAM
    Oakley, Anthony Chicago Bears
    Olivea, Shane San Diego Chargers
    Olson, Benji Tennessee Titans
    P
    NAME TEAM
    Palmer, Tony Green Bay Packers
    Peterman, Stephen Detroit Lions
    Peters, Scott Carolina Panthers
    Piller, Zach Tennessee Titans
    Pitts, Chester Houston Texans
    Preston, Duke Buffalo Bills
    Procter, Cory Dallas Cowboys
    Pucillo, Mike Washington Redskins
    R
    NAME TEAM
    Reyes, Tutan Buffalo Bills
    Rimpf, Brian Baltimore Ravens
    Rivera, Marco Dallas Cowboys
    Ruegamer, Grey New York Giants
    S
    NAME TEAM
    Saipaia, Blaine Detroit Lions
    Scott, Jake Indianapolis Colts
    Setterstrom, Mark St. Louis Rams
    Seubert, Rich New York Giants


    Sims, Rob Seattle Seahawks
    Smiley, Justin San Francisco 49ers
    Smith, Rob Cleveland Browns

    Snyder, Adam San Francisco 49ers
    Sowells, Isaac Cleveland Browns
    Spitz, Jason Green Bay Packers
    Stallings, Tre Kansas City Chiefs
    Steinbach, Eric Cincinnati Bengals
    Steitz, Nick San Francisco 49ers
    Stevenson, Dan Miami Dolphins
    Stokes, Barry Detroit Lions
    T
    NAME TEAM
    Terrell, Claude St. Louis Rams
    Terry, Jeb Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Thomas, Randy Washington Redskins
    Timmerman, Adam St. Louis Rams
    Torrey, Brandon Pittsburgh Steelers
    Tucker, Rex Detroit Lions
    U
    NAME TEAM
    Ulrich, Matt Indianapolis Colts
    V
    NAME TEAM
    Verba, Ross Detroit Lions
    Villarrial, Chris Buffalo Bills
    Vincent, Keydrick Baltimore Ravens
    W
    NAME TEAM
    Wahle, Mike Carolina Panthers
    Walter, Tyson Green Bay Packers

    Weary, Fred Houston Texans
    Wells, Reggie Arizona Cardinals
    Whitley, Taylor Washington Redskins
    Whittle, Jason Minnesota Vikings

    Wiegert, Zach Houston Texans
    Williams, Bobbie Cincinnati Bengals
    Woody, Damien Detroit Lions
    Wragge, Tony San Francisco 49ers
    Y
    NAME TEAM
    Yates, Billy New England Patriots
    Young, Scott
     
  21. Shamrock

    Shamrock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2006
    Messages:
    11,922
    Ratings:
    +1,243
    Franchise vs. Transition

    Important point for the Chargers: It would cost $9.556 million to franchise tag Dielman.

    Transition tags are virtually worthless, as seen last year by that tag being given Seattle's OG Hutchinson, then the Vikes throwing a poison pill offer to pry him away.
     
  22. in_a_days

    in_a_days dgaf

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2006
    Messages:
    8,038
    Ratings:
    +1,018
    :icon_eek: :no:
     
  23. sdchrger

    sdchrger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2005
    Messages:
    7,025
    Ratings:
    +820
    Sayanora Dielman. Bon voyage.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  24. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    19,108
    Ratings:
    +2,928
    Dang:icon_eek:
     
  25. RMANCIL

    RMANCIL Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,121
    Ratings:
    +223
    Lekekerker can step in and play ROT with Olivea sliding into the OG spot . 1. Arron Sears, Tennessee 2. Ben Grubbs, Auburn are both 1 st round players who should be on the board.

    Josh Beekman, Boston College , Tony Ugoh, Arkansas could be there in the 3rd and Manny Ramirez , James Marten , Brandon Frye are players who have talent 3-4 round .

    Beekman is going to be a good OG and soon. Ramirez may not have the great speed but he is perhaps the strongest in the draft. Frye is a kid who has a ton of speed that would under coach Henry pay off big time in a season or three.
     
  26. stonuts

    stonuts BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2006
    Messages:
    10
    Ratings:
    +1

    I didn't realize the Franchise tag averaged the top 5 offensive linemen. I thought it would be the top 5 OG. Almost 10 mil, yeah, thats not gonna happen.
     
  27. Kwak

    Kwak ....

    Joined:
    May 25, 2006
    Messages:
    4,293
    Ratings:
    +683
    Damn 10 Mil for a tag. Some team is gonna throw the jack at him, it just depends on how much cap they want to tie up in a guard.

    From KFFL Hot Off The Wire.

    Browns | Team expected to show interest in Dielman
    Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:26:20 -0800

    Seahawks | Team expected to show interest in Dielman
    Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:22:18 -0800

    Dolphins | Team expected to show interest in Dielman
    Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:15:04 -0800

    Cowboys | Team expected to show interest in Dielman
    Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:12:46 -0800
     
  28. Shamrock

    Shamrock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2006
    Messages:
    11,922
    Ratings:
    +1,243
    I'd expect that list to grow. Jets and Browns for starters, with maybe AZ to .... and who knows else ... Those KFFL blurbs come from Acee's article:
     
  29. Electric Chair

    Electric Chair Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2006
    Messages:
    8,559
    Ratings:
    +579
    Fuq.

    This is exactly why it's dangerous to think there is always "next year". THIS WAS OUR YEAR AND WE CHOKED.

    I hate Marty. AJ should have fired his petrified *** the second he rejected that extension. I'm not going to say that the last two weeks have been devastating, but I'll be damned if I could think of a worse series of events (logically).

    Fuq.
     
  30. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    18,996
    Ratings:
    +654
    The gut tells me to say bye to Dielman and say hello to somebody else who does not think he is worth top dollar.

    A.J. has drawn the line in the sand and justifiably so.

    The Patriots made their Super Bowl run averaging around $2 million dollars per player on the offensive line.

    A.J. has watched (modeled) the Pats GM Pioli like a hawk..........
     

Share This Page