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Discussion: The Bengals

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Sep 15, 2015.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Ok, so this is an open opinion thread...

    Questions, feel free to answer or discuss the ones you want...

    A) Is the Bengals performance against the Raiders indicative of their team, or well.... It was the Raiders?
    B) What does the O have to do (other than score more points) to win?
    Ba) Who do they have to take care of on the Bengals D?
    Bb) What weaknesses can the Bengals capitalize on against the Chargers O?
    C) What does the D have to do (other than preventing them from scoring more points) to win?
    Ca) Who do they have to take care of on the Bengals O?
    Cb) What weaknesses can the Chargers capitalize on against the Bengals O?
    D) Overall, what do you expect from the game
    E) Final score prediction....

    Aaaand Go!
     
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    The Bengals have been a playoff team, despite what they've done once they got there. Therefore, the fact that it was the Raiders that they dominated shouldn't discount that fact that they are still a good team. How good, remains to be seen. Whether you get good Andy, or bad Andy is usually the determining factor.
     
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  3. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Oh for the heady days when we had RM24 to kick around instead of a couple of.... Kickers....
     
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    Don't fret...... we still have Manti. ;)
     
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    ...and the Donald.
     
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    Donald "inactive" Brown...... money well spent. ;)
     
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    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Coley HarveyVerified account‏@ColeyHarvey
    Paul Guenther on Wk 2 win in 2014: "I told them if you want to know what I wanted our defense looking like, it would be that game." #Bengals

    Eric Williams ‏@eric_d_williams 1h1 hour ago
    Eric Williams retweeted Coley Harvey

    Chargers should expect a fast and physical Cincinnati defense.

    -The Chargers were assisted last week by the heat on the field. It was reported that the temp on the field was 105 degrees at kick off. Now the great lakes are hot and humid in the summer, but the Chargers kept the Lions D on the field a long time. They need to do that with the Bengals. Wear them out. I want to see more running from the Chargers against the Bengals. If I recall correctly the Chargers were about 44% run last week. I think the bengals D will be more susceptible to the run and to swing passes the the RBs. Take what you can get, but keep drives alive and the Bengals D sweating...-

    Eric Williams ‏@eric_d_williams 2h2 hours ago
    Chargers turn to Trevor Robinson for information about Bengals http://es.pn/1UVueTU
     
  9. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    A) Both. The Raiders are not good and the Bengals are.
    B) On offense, we need to possess the ball using our short passing game to set up the running game. We should be able to run the ball just a bit more against the Bengals than Detroit as the Bengals may not be quite as good against the run as Detroit is.
    Ba) Their defensive line is pretty good. If Geno Atkins is still Geno Atkins, we need to take care of him in particular. The good news for us is that Burfict is apparently still on the PUP list.
    Bb) Our offensive line is not so great. I think their defensive line has the advantage there.
    C) We must prevent the Bengals from running the ball effectively. By doing so, we increase our ability to control the clock and put the game more on Dalton's shoulders. That is no guarantee for success either as Dalton has weapons and can play very well (despite what we saw from him last time out in the playoffs), but that will maximize our chances.
    Ca) Hill and Bernard, the RBs. I think we need to trust our CBs to shut down their WRs and focus on stopping the run.
    D) I expect us to be in the game all the way, but the Bengals are very good and at home.
    E) 23-17 Bengals. :(
     
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  11. Concudan

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...innati-bengals-betting-odds-analysis-nfl-pick

    San Diego Chargers vs. Cincinnati Bengals Betting Odds, Analysis, NFL Pick

    The San Diego Chargers and Cincinnati Bengals each earned season-opening wins on the West Coast in Week 1 and will meet for the first time since the former upset the latter in the 2014 playoffs as 6.5-point road underdogs. The Chargers won that postseason matchup 27-10 to snap a three-game losing streak against the Bengals both straight-up and against the spread.



    Point spread: Bengals opened as three-point favorites; the total was 45.5 early in the week, according to sportsbooks monitored by Odds Shark. (Line updates and matchup report)

    NFL pick, via Odds Shark computer: 26.8-20.6 Bengals



    Why the Chargers can cover the spread

    San Diego has enjoyed a lot of success as a road underdog over the past few years, going 12-4-1 ATS in the last 17 games under that scenario. Nine of those resulted in SU wins, including the playoff victory at Cincinnati two seasons ago.

    Some West Coast teams tend to struggle when travelling cross country to play early games, but not the Chargers. They seem to thrive in that situation, and their record speaks for itself. San Diego is also coming off an impressive 33-28 home win over the Detroit Lions last week that saw wide receiver Keenan Allen re-establish his chemistry with quarterback Philip Rivers to the tune of a career-high 15 catches for 166 yards.



    Why the Bengals can cover the spread

    The Bengals will no doubt be playing with revenge here knowing how much that postseason loss to the Chargers stung at home. They are a much better team offensively and more balanced since the last meeting as well with a pair of versatile running backs in Jeremy Hill andGiovani Bernard, who complement each other well.

    That means Cincinnati quarterback Andy Dalton will not have the same kind of pressure on him here, as he was terrible in the playoff game, with three turnovers, including two interceptions and a fumble. Dalton played under control last week in the team’s season-opening 33-13 victory against the Oakland Raiders on the road, but it definitely helped that Hill and Bernard combined for 126 yards on 27 carries and scored two touchdowns.



    Smart pick

    Both teams looked good in Week 1, and you can argue that San Diego had the better win against a much better opponent in Detroit. But the Bengals also took care of business on the road versus inferior competition and dominated Oakland, which is sometimes tougher because motivation can be an issue. Motivation will be the driving force for them this time, so expect the home team to win by at least a touchdown.



    Betting trends

    The Bengals are 5-1 ATS in their last six games against the Chargers.

    The Chargers are 5-0-1 ATS in their last six games on the road in September.

    The total has gone under in five of the Chargers' last seven games against the AFC North.
     
  12. Concudan

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    I guess Jones won't be suspended...I'm sure we can expect him to do something dirty this game since he will get the free pass now.

    Otherwise I think this is going to be a good matchup for us and a real test since it's on the road. The Bengals have more weapons than the Lions did. I'm not worried about shutting down their WR1, it's can we shut down all their weapons. Most importantly, can we stop the run. If they get a good run game going we're in trouble. This will allow Andy to only take the easy 100% passes.

    If we get out and score quick, the Bengals tend to panic, and will play into our strengths beautifully...forcing Andy to carry the team with his arm and abandon the run. Allow him to get hit a few times, and we'll see a few picks.

    As for us, I'm honestly thinking we will see a similar offense again. We're missing Fluker, and I think that should be okay. We need to commit to the run again, and Rivers will have to pick up short crossing routes against their weaker ILB to guys like Woodhead, and Green. My guess is Stevie has a big game. I can bet a lot of money Keenan Allen is going to be double covered occasionally due to his performance Week 1.

    This is going to be tight...if we pull through it'll be a huge game for us considering Bengal's full roster.

    27-24 Chargers. with Lambo hitting a long field goal ftw
     
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  15. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    WAIT! When did Marcus Allen come out of retirement and join the bolts?!

    ;)
     
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    fify...... #lancelogic
     
  17. Concudan

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    Eric Williams ‏@eric_d_williams 5m5 minutes ago
    After facing a traditional 4-3 in Oakland, Whitworth said preparing for a Chargers' defense that moves around a lot will be tough.

    Eric Williams ‏@eric_d_williams 8m8 minutes ago
    Bengals T Andrew Whitworth says intel Trevor Robinson can provide Chargers is overblown. With TV copy,"Every team knows every team’s calls."

    San Diego #Chargers ‏@Chargers 20m20 minutes ago
    Questions about this week's game against the Bengals? Submit them for today's mailbag: http://www.chargers.com/news/2015/09/15/submit-your-question-chargers-mailbag…

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  18. Slam

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    Lol, sorry, I didn't get a lot of sleep
     
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    I hope the Chargers utilize their very weak schedule this year. This and the Packers game being the most difficult due to being on the road. We get a break finally having to play the Steelers at home since 2006.

    As for this game, The Bengals are gonna come hitting early and if our Offense matchs them point for point I believe we can have similar 2nd half were we pull away.

    High scoring. 24-35 Chargers
     
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  21. Slam

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    lol I see what you did there.


    I work with a lot of guys rolling in and out of the office, some (what I believe is) uninformed fans basically said...the Bengals? No, we own them. I was like 'what?' seriously. I love the blind confidence, but I think we're far from owning them.
     
  22. Concudan

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    No really we do. Except for a nearly even win-loss records against them, and the fact that on any given Sunday...
     
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    In my view, it will depend on which Andy Dalton shows up to play. Just as Rivers went from mistake prone to nearly perfect in the last game, Andy can go from big play maker to turnover machine in a heartbeat.
     
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    The issue is, its September not December, he tends to be a turnover king till late
     
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    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    For sure, and we've had pretty good luck at turning him into raggedy Andy.

    Funny thing I was thinking about, the last time we played them our starting NT was Cam Thomas. Reggie Walker started at ILB, and our CBs were Shareece Wright and Richard Marshall. Feels like we've come such a long way since then.
     
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    If they can stay healthy, this is certainly a better roster overall than we've had in recent years. It's also younger.
     
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    True, but we also had the good version of Butler, Wright had a key INT that day, Lissemore (injured that day) over Thomas is only a marginal upgrade, and the game likely would have been different if the Bengals had not committed 4 turnovers to our zero. Even with the four turnovers, they still outgained us in total yards and (barely) won time of possession.

    Back then, our pass defending was as awful as our run defending, so the Bengals could be stupid enough to put the game in Dalton's hands, thinking that would be the best way to win. But I don't see how anyone should be going pass happy against us these days. We are very good in pass coverage and not so good against the run. What other teams should be doing against us seems pretty clear at this point.

    I would be the first to say that I like our chances if we go 4-0 in turnovers in our favor, but it occurs to me that things may not break quite that favorably for us this time.
     
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    Bengals Name "Biggest Challenge" in Facing Bolts Defense
    http://www.chargers.com/news/2015/0...=10153397308297713&adbpl=fb&adbpr=86995802712

    Coming off their 33-13 win against the Oakland Raiders last week, Cincinnati Bengals Head Coach Marvin Lewis and Offensive Tackle Andrew Whitworth previewed their Week 2 matchup against the San Diego Chargers.

    Having not played each other since the Bengals’ playoff loss against the Bolts in 2014, Lewis said he wasn’t surprised by the Chargers’ tremendous comeback last week, especially with number 17 at the helm.

    “In the first half the offense wasn’t playing its best football (but they) basically stormed back and came out of the locker room in the second half, and in the third quarter basically took over the football game very quickly,” Lewis said. “That’s the football team that they are and the one we know that’s going to show up here on Sunday. They’re led by a tremendous quarterback in Philip Rivers.”


    On the other side of the ball, Lewis and Whitworth know they have to account for the Chargers’ fierce defense that knocked the Detroit Lions off their mark last week, particularly in the second half. The Bengals didn’t allow any sacks against Oakland and the Raiders only recorded one quarterback hit on Andy Dalton. However, while both know San Diego presents a whole different challenge, Lewis admits there are some similarities the Bolts do that they see against their AFC North rivals.

    “We see similarities in (the defense) in our division with Pittsburgh and a little bit with Cleveland and Baltimore so it’s a style we’re used to seeing,” Lewis mentioned. “With all the 3-4s on our side over here, we’re used to seeing that a little bit more. (San Diego is) going to continue to pressure the quarterback. That’s what they’ve been very good at, and they work at that very hard. (Accounting for that) is what’s important when you get ready to play the Chargers.”




    “(The defense) does a lot of moving around and this week is going to be a lot of attention to where they are and all the different things they do,” Whitworth said. “They’re a defense that can give you a lot of trouble if you don’t communicate well and have everybody on the same page. They do a lot of different things (like) stunting and a lot of different twists and things that are hard to prepare for. They have the perfect group of guys (who are) athletic enough all across the board and smart enough obviously to pull off a lot of different stuff because they do a lot on defense. That’ll be the biggest challenge; making sure who has who in every situation.”


    In addition to working on their communication, Whitworth said their goal as an offense is to avoid 3rd-and-long situations and account for pass rushers likeMelvin Ingram and Corey Liuget.

    “They’re just really good football players. I think Corey Liuget is really one of the best 3-4 ends there is and he’s a really good football player, and Ingram does some special things rushing the passer. He’s just an extremely agile guy with all the moves. I think you see that when guys go against him and start overreacting to things. He’s got a move for everything. He can go inside, go outside or go through you. When he’s been healthy, he’s made a difference.”
     
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    Theyre forgetting the Emmanuel sandwich they'll be eating
     

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