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Does Matt Cassel really suck?

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, Jun 7, 2011.

  1. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    Are the Chiefs setup for a fall?
    June, 7, 2011
    By Bill Williamson



    In an ESPN.com Insider piece, Joyner points to quarterback Matt Cassel’s struggles to complete long passes as a major reason why he thinks the Chiefs -- who went 10-6 and won the 2011 AFC West title after winning a grand total of 10 games in the previous three seasons combined -- could slip this season.

    Here is some of what worries Joyner about Cassel: His metrics in this category range from mediocre to abysmal. His 10.2 vertical YPA (vertical being defined as passes thrown 11 or more yards downfield) ranked 20th in the league last season. His 9.0 stretch vertical YPA (defined as passes thrown 20 or more yards) was even worse, as it ranked next to last among qualifying quarterbacks (175 pass attempts needed to qualify). (Note: these numbers include attempts and yardage totals posted on pass penalties such as defensive holding, illegal contact, pass interference, etc.)

    Many might come to Cassel's defense by pointing out the subpar state of the Kansas City wide receiver/tight ends corps last season. It would seem awfully difficult to put together an effective vertical passing game when mediocre pass catchers such as Chris Chambers, Terrance Copper, Verran Tucker, Leonard Pope and Tim Castille all post at least 10 targets, as was the case last season.

    Some will point to the addition of former Pitt wide receiver Jonathan Baldwin in the first round of the 2011 draft as a reason for optimism here.

    However, the primary counter to that statement would be that Baldwin's first-year learning curve could be steep, given that a) the lockout could prevent him from getting much practice time prior to the start of the season and b) Scouts Inc. said that he is inconsistent and erratic in many areas.

    Throw in the fact that Baldwin's 15.51 yards per reception average last season ranked him 68th among FBS pass catchers and it shows just how far he has to go before he can be considered an answer to the Chiefs' vertical receiving woes.

    My thoughts? Cassel’s inability to complete the deep pass is clearly an issue. That’s why Baldwin was drafted in the first round. Kansas City recognized the issue and tried to fix it. That’s what good teams do.

    The key is how fast Baldwin can make a difference in this area. Joyner points out the learning curve and he’s right, but he will be given every chance to succeed.

    This season surely will not be easy for Kansas City. It is now the hunted. It has a tougher schedule than it did in 2010. But, in the end, this is a balanced team with good coaching. The Chiefs appear to be headed in the right direction, regardless of potential obstacles.
     
  2. matilack

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    Cassel misses A LOT of wide open recievers, defending him because of the talent around him is completely dilusional.

    I want to see numbers that display offensive production when Charles is in the game.....compared to when he's not.
     
  3. Blue Bolt

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    If WRs can't get open, or can't catch, then that's going to affect a QB's numbers, whether or not it's his fault. That said, if you can't hit an open target consistently, then you'll never be a good NFL QB.

    From what I've seen, Cassel does have some accuracy issues. He's not a rookie, he's been in the league for 6 years. If he hasn't figured it out by now, you have to wonder if he ever will.
     
  4. Buck Melanoma

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    He's very much a system guy. Get him in the right scheme, he can manage the game alright. Don't ask him to win it for you.
     
  5. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    It's the window the QB has to hit, not the tire. Some guys have it, others don't putting the ball in the perfect spot is tough to do.
     
  6. matilack

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    Charlie Weiss protected Cassel by running a safe run first scheme, and not pushing him to win the game....and you saw what happened the last two games of the season.

    Todd Haley's Cardinals could not have been more different. He will throw Cassel to the wolves expecting him to be Kurt Warner, and he's more likely to get Matt Leinart. Add the fact that the schedule is extremely difficult as division winners....and I can see them falling apart.
     
  7. AnteaterCharger

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    He's a Chief so of course he sucks :lol:
     
  8. Buck Melanoma

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    Not only that re:Weiss - Cassell had studied that system behind Brady for a few years & was very familiar with it. Lots of dinking & dunking. Haley won't coddle his *** the way that he was in NE.
     
  9. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Does a bear drop dukies in the woods?
     
  10. ThunderHorse17

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    Actually Moeaki is a legit receiving threat. Last year it wouldnt be far fetched to call him the go to guy over Dbowe or CC.

    But yea I been saying Cassel isnt valid since his farce 11-5 season with NE unfolded. Was soo laughing when the NE==>KC trade news broke.
     
  11. BoltFanDC

    BoltFanDC Objects In Mirror Are Closer Than They Appear...

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    Depends on if you live in a wooded area... :D
     
  12. ChargerRay

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    Yes he sucks. He's Craig Whelihan v2.0.
     
  13. Buck Melanoma

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    The real laugher, IMO, is the $60+mil contract he was handed.

    I mean, really??
     
  14. Joy Division

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    The real question, though there's no question about it, is "Does Matt Cassel really not suck?"

    With the answer being: No.

    Although, there are recent starters in the league who have played worse than Cassel.
    (Anderson, Henne, Hasselbeck, Campbell) so, yeah...there are worse...and yes, Cassel does
    have a noodle and it shows when he tries to throw deep.

    So yeah, he still sucks along with a few others.
     
  15. HollywoodLeo

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    yes

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    What happens on 08.30.2011?
     
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    Sucks that Fruciante is gone for this upcoming one, though. Hopefully that doesn't kill it.
     

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