1. Welcome to San Diego Chargers NFL Football Podcast and Forum!

    Bolt Talk is one of the largest online communities for the San Diego Chargers. We host a regular Chargers podcast during the season. You are currently viewing our community forums as a guest user.

    Create an Account or

    Having an account grants you additional privileges, such as creating and participating in discussions. Furthermore, we hide most of the ads once you register as a member!
    Dismiss Notice

ESPN Insider: Cromartie, Jammer have Chargers covered

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by chargerlipz, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. chargerlipz

    chargerlipz Leading the league in nose hairs.

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2007
    Messages:
    749
    Ratings:
    +151
    Figured I'd post this for non ESPN Insider subscribers.

    "Last week's topic in the "best of/worst of" series was vertical wide receivers, so I thought it would be appropriate to make this week's topic vertical cornerbacks.


    Glossary of terms

    As was the case with the receivers, this metric review measures medium (11-19 yards), deep (20-29 yards) and bomb (30-plus yards) pass attempts on a yards-per-attempt basis. Because cornerbacks tend to see fewer passes than wide receivers, I lowered the qualifying-attempt mark to 24. The yardage totals once again include "pass in the air" penalty attempts and yards (i.e., pass interference, defensive holding, illegal contact, etc.).



    Now that we have the rules out of the way, here are the top 10 vertical cornerbacks from 2007:




    Player Team Vert Att Vert Yds Vert YPA
    Fred Bennett Houston 24 67 2.8
    Quentin Jammer San Diego 35 159 4.5
    Deshea Townsend Pittsburgh 35 178 5.1
    Charles Tillman Chicago 34 199 5.9
    Fred Smoot Washington 32 197 6.2
    Terrence McGee Buffalo 44 271 6.2
    Eric Wright Cleveland 46 300 6.5
    Antonio Cromartie San Diego 29 202 7.0
    Sheldon Brown Philadelphia 40 279 7.0
    Will Allen Miami 30 211 7.0


    Fred Bennett might be the best young cornerback in the NFL. He not only posted a phenomenally low vertical YPA but also gave up only six completions in those 24 attempts, none of which were at the deep or bomb level. Bennett's overall YPA of 4.7 was third-best among cornerbacks last season, which is another reason I think he might be only one full season as a starter away from being a serious Pro Bowl candidate.



    Antonio Cromartie's appearance on this list proves he is more than just a ball hawk, but the most surprising Charger on this list has to be Quentin Jammer. After a so-so first few years in the league coverage-wise, Jammer has stepped up his game big-time the past couple of years.



    The other two names of note on this list are Fred Smoot and Eric Wright. Smoot was seen by many as a stopgap backup cornerback when the Redskins picked him up before last season, but he actually outplayed every other cornerback in the Washington secondary. Wright had some struggles vertically early on, as he allowed successful plays on six of the first eight vertical passes thrown against him in 2007, but he gave up only 13 other successful plays in this category the rest of the year. Wright's growth was a primary reason Cleveland felt it could trade Leigh Bodden.



    We have to take the bad with the good, so here are the bottom 10 vertical cornerbacks from 2007:




    Player Team Vertical Att Vertical Yds Vertical YPA
    Ellis Hobbs New England 51 630 12.4
    Cedric Griffin Minnesota 43 532 12.4
    Ike Taylor Pittsburgh 56 710 12.7
    Eric Green Arizona 24 305 12.7
    Travis Daniels Miami 26 369 14.2
    Corey Ivy Baltimore 38 552 14.5
    Ron Bartell St. Louis 24 349 14.5
    Patrick Surtain Kansas City 30 439 14.6
    Drayton Florence San Diego 25 394 15.8
    Jason David New Orleans 37 707 19.1
    It will come as no surprise to anyone who saw Jason David play last year that he's at the bottom of this list. He allowed 13 completions on the 19 deep/bomb passes thrown at him, so he performed worse the longer the ball was chucked downfield. It was this type of play that caused the Saints to pick up Randall Gay in free agency and Tracy Porter in the draft.



    When I first saw Jammer's and Cromartie's vertical pass numbers, I thought they might have been that good in large part because of the Chargers' safety play. But if Drayton Florence could do this poorly vertically, the safeties couldn't have been that good. Florence's historical numbers prior to 2007 were much better than his numbers last year, and that has to be what Jacksonville was banking on when it signed him this offseason.



    Ike Taylor was the second-most targeted vertical cornerback (behind only Marcus Trufant with 63 attempts), and his 12.7 YPA shows why that was. He has been a coverage liability for multiple seasons, and it would be a surprise if he kept his starting role in 2008."
     
  2. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2005
    Messages:
    9,747
    Ratings:
    +851
    Move Jammer to safety! :icon_rofl:
     
  3. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2006
    Messages:
    19,111
    Ratings:
    +2,930
    I like that the worst corner in the league is also the sorriest corner in the league
     
  4. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2005
    Messages:
    9,747
    Ratings:
    +851
    That means that Rivers was accurate in calling him that. :yes:
     
  5. Shamrock

    Shamrock Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2006
    Messages:
    11,922
    Ratings:
    +1,243
    Does this mean the Chargers have the best CB tandem in the NFL ???
     
    • Like Like x 1
  6. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2005
    Messages:
    9,747
    Ratings:
    +851
    It can't be. Because they didn't overpay for Ty Law and DeAngelo Hall like some people on the forums wanted. :icon_tease:
     
  7. TheLash

    TheLash Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 8, 2006
    Messages:
    4,157
    Ratings:
    +715
    damn you beat me to it:lol:

    really good read nice to see some Jammer love
     
  8. mandude

    mandude BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2006
    Messages:
    468
    Ratings:
    +59
    Do you have the quote? I missed this.
     
  9. mandude

    mandude BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2006
    Messages:
    468
    Ratings:
    +59
    There are sooo many reasons why I am glad this douche is gone... and this is the biggest one. The only thing that would've been better is if we traded in our conference, then we could've lit him up twice a year.
     
  10. maestro876

    maestro876 BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2007
    Messages:
    650
    Ratings:
    +63
    We are nearly 100% homegrown talent. The only starters that aren't drafted and developed Chargers are Goff, Chambers, and Hart. Until this year we also had McCree and LoNeal.

    That's an amazingly high number of developed players, probably matched only by the Colts.

    This is part of what makes us a good team. Not only does it show how well we draft, but these players have never been anything but Chargers, feel a sense of loyalty and pride in the organization, and have been able to develop connections with their teammates that help them work together extremely well.

    We got one hell of a good team.:bolt:
     
  11. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2005
    Messages:
    9,747
    Ratings:
    +851

    Too bad the various video links of him saying it aren't valid anymore, but here's a link to the discussion of it from last year:


    http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070116/news_1s16chnotes2.html

     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. RM24

    RM24 BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Jul 27, 2007
    Messages:
    3,109
    Ratings:
    +264
    Just call Phillip "Riverdamous"....
     
  13. Retired Catholic

    Retired Catholic BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2006
    Messages:
    7,894
    Ratings:
    +347
    It can certainly be argued and it will get better with Weddle replacing McCree.
     
  14. SanDiegoRon

    SanDiegoRon BoltTalker

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,994
    Ratings:
    +321
    I will admit I've been a Jammer critic - but last year he became what I was expecting when we drafted him... definitely his finest year to date...

    so, Jammer gets a...

    :bow::bow::bow:
     
  15. Showmeyourbolt

    Showmeyourbolt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2007
    Messages:
    2,108
    Ratings:
    +192
    I love that pick he had against Brady in the AFCC, set the tone that they wouldn't be scoring at will against us.
     
  16. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2005
    Messages:
    9,747
    Ratings:
    +851

    :tup:

    Both Jammer and Ty Law signed $30 million contracts in 2006, and if you compare their performance over the last two seasons, Jammer outperformed him pretty much in every category, even though Jammer played in 1.5 fewer games.
     
  17. Buck Melanoma

    Buck Melanoma Guest

    Ratings:
    +408
    I must admit I've been slow to come around, but Jammer has proven himself to be a good CB. :tup:

    I'd still like to see what he could do at safety, though. IMO, this would be an even better fit for him.
     

Share This Page