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ESPN: Players over 30 to watch

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, May 14, 2008.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3395505

    4. Jamal Williams, 32


    Teams such as the 49ers, Jets and Browns struggled turning over from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4 because they didn't have a dominating nose tackle. The Chargers had no trouble years ago when they switched to a 3-4; they had Williams, who often is unblockable against double-team blocks. Williams turned 32 this year and his knees are starting to wear down. Last year, he played 13 games and played 41 percent of the snaps. The key to any 3-4 is having the nose tackle occupy two blockers; Williams' health and his presence are pivotal to the San Diego's Super Bowl run.



    Goes without saying...
     
  2. SanDiegoRon

    SanDiegoRon BoltTalker

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    indeed...

    it's also a big year for... McKinney... going into his 4th year, he should be "getting there"... and we'll need him...
     
  3. MtlBoltsFan

    MtlBoltsFan Jesse Ventura/Howard Stern 2016

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    Not really as he will never be an elite player but will probably be a solid rotational player.

    This year's draft is the jackpot for nose tackles.
     
  4. bigcarson50

    bigcarson50 Well-Known Member

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    Do you mean this past year or this coming year?
     
  5. boltmanbz

    boltmanbz Well-Known Member

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    agreed
     
  6. MtlBoltsFan

    MtlBoltsFan Jesse Ventura/Howard Stern 2016

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    This coming year.... 2009 draft class.
     
  7. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    We'll see, won't we?:lol:
     
  8. Chico Andy

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    Who are some of the Blue-chippers to keep an eye on?
     
  9. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    Great read!!! Thanks Conc!!


    With that that aside, this has to be McNabb's make or break season.
    In 2006, the team was struggling before McNabb's injury and a change for the better was made immediately with Garcia taking over.
    Last season, I though Feely did better when he was put in.
    Eagles fans have to be really questioning McNabb at this point.
     
  10. Bergo23

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    BJ Rajji is the only Blue Chipper NT I know of, he is on alot of the 2009 first round mocks that are out early. His size is impressive.
     
  11. SanDiegoRon

    SanDiegoRon BoltTalker

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    one can start right here: http://cfn.scout.com/2/751447.html

    there's probably 4 guys on this D-line that'll play on Sundays...

    "What's the difference between the SEC and the rest of the world? Defensive linemen like LSU's. The Tiger projected starting front four checks in at 291, 293, 281 and 252 pounds and all can move like linebackers. The projected second teamers go 282, 316, 302 and 254 pounds. The two-deep averages 284 pounds per man."

    gotta love the SEC....
     
  12. SanDiegoRon

    SanDiegoRon BoltTalker

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    one mans list - and it's preseason... but it gets ya started...

    DE
    1. Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech
    2. Maurice Evans, Penn State (Junior)
    3. Greg Hardy, Ole Miss (Junior)
    4. Ricky Sapp, Clemson (Junior)
    5. Greg Middleton, Indiana (Junior)
    6. Auston English, Oklahoma (Junior)
    7. George Selvie, USF (Junior)
    8. Brian Orakpo, Texas
    9. Antwain Robinson, Arkansas
    10. Matt Shaughnessy, Wisconsin
    11. Mitch King, Iowa
    12. Lawrence Wilson, Ohio State
    13. Jamaal Westerman, Rutgers
    14. Jermaine Cunningham, Florida (Junior)
    15. Kyle Moore, USC
    16. Pannel Egboh, Stanford

    17. Eric Moncur, Miami (OLB) - A fixture on one side of the Mia line is senior Eric Moncur, a speedy and powerful edge rusher that can shed tackles effortlessly. The 6-2, 250-pounder had his breakout season as a sophomore, collecting 48 tackles, 11.5 tackles for loss, and six sacks, and is expected to grow into something special.

    18. Nick Reed, Oregon
    19. Styker Sulak, Missouri
    20. Doug Worthington, Ohio State (Junior)
    21. Jeremy Jarmon, Kentucky (Junior)
    22. Willie Young, NC State (Junior)

    23. Kirston Pittman, LSU - Lost in the all-star shuffle was senior Kirston Pittman after finishing fourth on the team with 68 tackles and leading the team with eight sacks and 13.5 tackles for loss. The talent level was never an issue for the 6-4, 252-pounder; the question mark was his health. A star over his first two years as a fast-rising speed rusher, he was derailed by a foot injury that cost him all of 2005 and was banged up throughout 2006. As last year proved, he's a killer when he's right. *** Sounds like a 3-4 OLB to me…

    24. Derek Walker, Illinois
    25. Everette Brown, Florida State (Junior)


    DT

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    Sen’Derrick Marks, Auburn (Junior) - Junior DT Sen'Derrick Marks. It's salary drive time. Marks was a great end but is a more natural tackle. He has top ten overall draft pick skills and will be moved around on the line where needed and where he can be the most effective. In a perfect world he can star on the inside all season long and use his tremendous quickness to be an unstoppable interior pass rusher.

    Marks is likely to be used on the inside at the next level where he's projected to be a top ten pick whenever he comes out. While he's not all that bulky at 6-1 and 288 pounds, he's tremendously athletic and a fantastic interior pass rusher making two sacks and nine tackles for loss to go along with 43 tackles. Able to play inside or out, he's versatile, nasty against the run, and he's still improving. His best days are well in front of him. *** probably a 4-3 guy...

    2. Fili Moala, USC

    3. Al Woods, LSU (Junior) - 6-4, 316-pound junior Al Woods slimmed down a bit from last year and should be even more active. He was a strong reserve last season making 22 tackles with two sacks and three recovered fumbles as a key part of the rotation working behind a banged up Dorsey. He's the team's biggest tackle option and a quick run stuffer. *** a pinch overrated here, but we'll see...

    4. Vance Walker, Georgia Tech
    5. Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma (3rd Year Sophomore)

    6. Tyson Jackson, LSU (DE) - Senior DE Tyson Jackson. The 6-5, 291-pound senior has NFL scouts drooling; players his size aren't supposed to play on the end. The ideal 3-4 end at the next level, he needs to flourish in his final year and has to become a better finisher as a pass rusher. He's great against the run and good at getting into the backfield, but a player of his size and talent needs to come up with more than 4.5 tackles for loss.

    * Antonio Dixon, Miami - While senior Antonio Dixon is expected to handle one tackle spot, the other opening probably won’t be filled until August. Miami is still waiting for that breakthrough season from Dixon, a 6-3, 328-pound wide-body that’s had trouble staying on the field for an entire season and keeping his weight in check. A classic space-eater that moves well for his size, he started four games as a junior, making 21 tackles for 3.5 tackles for loss, and 1.5 sacks. *** here's a NT...

    7. Jeff Owens, Georgia

    8. Ricky-Jean Francois, LSU (DE, Junior) - So who replaces Dorsey? Jean-Francois isn't a top five talent, but he's a tremendous prospect who finally got into the classroom often enough to be able to play late in the year making nine tackles in the two games he was eligible for. After a fantastic national title game, the 6-3, 281-pound junior showed he's ready to be the next great LSU defensive lineman with too much quickness for most guards and too much size and strength for most tackles if he moves outside to end. He's also a tremendous shot putter for the track team.

    9. Vince Oghobaase, Duke (Junior)
    10. Terrance Taylor, Michigan
    11. Peria Jerry, Ole Miss
    12. George Hypolite, Colorado
    13. Ekom Udofia, Stanford (Junior)
    14. DeMarcus Granger, Oklahoma (Junior)
    15. B.J. Raji, Boston College
    16. Myron Pryor, Kentucky
    17. Geno Atkins, Georgia (Junior)
    18. Arthur Jones, Syracuse (Junior)

    19. Marlon Favorite, LSU - 6-1, 302-pdr has been a spot starter over the years and has grown into a nice reserve with 28 tackles last season working next to Dorsey. A star recruit in 2003, he hasn't lived up to the expectations, but he's been good enough to work as an anchor from time to time. Now with the emergence of Ricky Jean-Francois, Favorite will be tremendous off the bench and in the rotation.

    20. Tyson Alualu, California (Junior)
    21. Darrell Richard, Georgia Tech
    22. Terrill Byrd, Cincinnati
    23. Dorrell Scott, Clemson
    24. Roy Miller, Texas
    25. Evander Hood, Missouri

    * Charles Alexander, LSU - Returning from a knee problem is 6-3, 293-pound senior Charles Alexander, a fast lineman with a pass rushing end's ability in the body of a tackle. He was the starter inside last year making six tackles and generating two quarterback pressures in three games, but he got knocked out for the year with a knee injury and will be back and ready to roll by the fall. He made 28 tackles and 2.5 sacks two years ago and should be as good as new.
     
  13. MtlBoltsFan

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    BJ Raji
    Myron Pryor
    Ron Brace
    Terrance Taylor
    Al Woods

    Also there are lots of great defensive tackles with the frame who could eat their way to playing nose tackle. We will have to see who emerges this year but there is tons of talent at this position.

    If we are serious about a nose tackle next year it is guaranteed there will be one for us in the 1st round when we select wherever that may be.
     
  14. MtlBoltsFan

    MtlBoltsFan Jesse Ventura/Howard Stern 2016

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    Marks is a UT not an NT :icon_huh:
     
  15. MtlBoltsFan

    MtlBoltsFan Jesse Ventura/Howard Stern 2016

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    Vince Oghobaase is amazing. He should be like #3 on the list :yes:
     
  16. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    Outside of that NT from Oklahoma, Dixon from miami and Tyson Jackson, the majority of DTs on the list are all small UTs instead of NTs. None of them would fit in well as a nose tackle.

    3-4 NTs are a difficult and unique brand to find.
     
  17. Retired Catholic

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    Jamal, Sapp and Selmon are rare types. I would appear that you need to find a big, athletic guy and then build him into the position. I doubt we will be in a position to get one of the real monster NT's from where we draft.
     
  18. MtlBoltsFan

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    [​IMG]

    :icon_banana:

    BTW if what happened to Eric Foster this past year is any indication, Terrill Byrd won't be drafted. Love that guy though... Cinci Bearcat defense is great but they lost a couple good players.
     

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