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Five ways Chargers can beat Patriots on Sunday

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by wrbanwal, Jan 18, 2008.

  1. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    Taking a break from our regularly scheduled Embrace of the Hate


    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/01/18/chargers/index.html?bcnn=yes





    Given the recent news about PR's knee:

     
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  2. PowderLove

    PowderLove Former Mod, Current Slacker

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    Bring out the supermodels and physical abuse victims, we're going to New England!!!
     
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  3. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    :abq2:VOLEKTRICITY!!!!:abq2:
     
  4. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    From what I've seen of Volek this season, I'm not sold on him. Sure he can play, so can Whitey but can he win.
     
  5. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Havent you been paying attention. We have no chance to win regardless of who plays...
     
  6. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    With Philip playing a full game with no injuries we win, even injured we still had a chance. No Philip no win, we may still play a damn good game and keep it close but thats not what I want.
     
  7. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    Yeah, I forgot this is the San Diego Rivers. Well I will still watch the game, hope you dont mind...:tdown:
     
  8. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I called this game the night they kicked our ***. I want this win more than any that have come before. Our team has a score to settle with these guy's. your right were not the Rivers, We're the RiversLTGatesJacksonChambersMcneilMerrimanCromartieIgorNorvs and thats the team I want to really see win. You can bet your *** I'll be tuned in.
     
  9. AircorYELL18

    AircorYELL18 BoltTalker

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    Well if your an historian you'll recall the 1963 AFL title game between the LA/SanDiego Chargers and Boston Patriots,won by the Bolts,51-10!
    But all that aside,if they don't play like their lives depended on it and leave a lot of blood on the field,this time they could give up over 50 to the Patsies.
    Bottom line is this...by the grace of "Brady" there go the Pats.
    Without him they may be an 8-8 team.
    Basically what the Bolts need to do is simply put ALL there focus on coverage packages and keep his completions down they have a chance.
    The ace up their sleeve is the fact Brady doesn't scramble well,and is they force him to and make him vulnerable in the open field,they have a chance to go head-hunting.
    If they blitz him,Brady has already proven he can and will pick them apart.
    But if they can somehow hurt his throwing arm/hand that may be their only chance. Yeah,i know it sounds dirty to try and hurt him but otherwise this game could get ugly if Chargers are put in a catch-up passing only mode.
    Just trying to be a realist here.

    But I remember very wel another AFC championship game played in Pittsburgh back in '95,where a certain team from So-California was already written off before the game even started.
    But all it took was 17 points to win that one. I imagine that will be about how many they will need to hold N.E. to in order to at least have a good chance to win,period.
    Hey,stranger things have happened.
     
  10. wrbanwal

    wrbanwal Well-Known Member

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    Lemmie tell all of you Bolthead brothers


    Our Bolts may have five ways to beat the pasties but there are two factors involved that many overlook. These two areas of our team will come to play and WILL take the future into our own hands and deliver a Super Bowl to the fans.


    Defense & Special Teams


    They have stepped up this season and will continue to get stronger. Mad props to (I can't believe I'm saying this) Steve Crosby. I am completely confident that they step up to yet a higher level and bring our 2nd Super Bowl appearance to the finest city in America


    :bolt::bolt::bolt:
     
  11. GreyHoodie

    GreyHoodie BoltTalker

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    Is this that blueprint i keep hear so much about?
     
  12. bigmike.x.09

    bigmike.x.09 Well-Known Member

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    no sir. THAT we shall see on sunday.
     
  13. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    So basically you want us to play dirty, huh?


    Ok.
     
  14. Electric Chair

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    Hell yes. :yes:
     
  15. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    The gloves have to come off, no more Mr. nice guy here. We have to pull out all the stops to win.
     
  16. Electric Chair

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    Championship Games are where legends are made.
     
  17. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    Yes they do, but we've been on the wrong end of to damn many of these game and I don't want to be the goat yet once again.
     
  18. Electric Chair

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    We wont. Tomorrow we will be celebrating the great Pats and their incredible 17-1 season. :yes:
     
  19. Dublin Bolt

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    Got this on PFW.....

    'According to sources close to the team, there is some legitimate concern over Chargers CB Drayton Florence’s matchup with Wes Welker in the slot this weekend. San Diego feels confident Quentin Jammer and Antonio Cromartie have the athleticism and physical style to keep tabs on Randy Moss, but it’s Welker’s ability to get open underneath and gain yards after the catch that is keeping Chargers coaches up at night.'

    I'll be disappointed if Flo is put on Welker, no way can he cover him. I reckon Weddle is the better option. Flo is a massive liability, I'm not sure he could even blitz (ala Weddle) were Weddle to end up being responsible for Welker.
     
  20. bigmike.x.09

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    hmm. i dont want it to get dirty, but i do want it to no holds bar football. 150% contact. i want someones intestines to fly out or SOMETHIN
     
  21. HEXEDBOLT

    HEXEDBOLT Don't like it, lump it!!!

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    I think everyone in Dego is concerned about Flo. If he gets beat a couple times, all the stupid **** he does will appear. That's one thing I never want to see again.
     
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3204306

    Saturday, January 19, 2008
    Chargers vs. Patriots: the key matchups

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    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Matchups for the AFC championship game between the San Diego Chargers and the New England Patriots on Sunday at Gillette Stadium: ^When the Chargers have the ball=

    A lot will depend on the health of QB Philip Rivers (17) and RB LaDainian Tomlinson (21). Both injured knees against Indianapolis and, while both say they expect to play, no one's sure what San Diego will get from them. TE Antonio Gates (85), with Tomlinson the Chargers' most important offensive weapon, will also be less than 100 percent after playing last week with a dislocated toe.

    Tomlinson, the NFL's MVP last season, can more easily be replaced by the combination of Michael Turner (33), one of the best backup running backs around, and the explosive Darren Sproles (43), who scored last week in the 28-24 upset over the Colts on a 56-yard screen pass.

    San Diego has also gotten a big lift from the development of WR Vincent Jackson (83), who combines with Chris Chambers (89) in a very athletic wide receiving corps. If Gates isn't 100 percent, the 6-foot-5, 245-pound Jackson provides a tight-end like target. If Rivers doesn't go, Billy Volek (7) is an experienced backup in his eighth season who engineered the winning TD drive in Indy.

    The Chargers could have success in the air, especially if Rivers can play. Jacksonville's David Garrard found holes in the New England secondary, especially to the outside, in last week's 31-20 Patriots win. Jackson and Gates are big enough to go over the relatively small defenders, all but ex-Charger Rodney Harrison (37), the strong safety, under 6 feet. Still, CB Asante Samuel (22) was an All-Pro this season with six interceptions, and Harrison, a former Charger, is one of the most aggressive and experienced safeties in the league.

    Rivers was protected very well by the Chargers' offensive line, led by LT Marcus McNeill (73) and LG Kris Dielman (68). But he's not mobile when he's healthy and will be hampered even more by his knee problem. Look for more blitzes than usual from New England's 3-4 defense, especially from OLBs Mike Vrabel (50) and Adalius Thomas (96). DE Richard Seymour (93) has been one of the game's best DLs this decade but missed the first half of the season with a knee injury. Ty Warren (94) is an effective two-way DE and DT Vince Wilfork a premier run-stopper. The inside LBs, ex-Charger Junior Seau (55) and Tedy Bruschi (54), are well into their 30s, but use their experience well.< ^When the Patriots have the ball=

    It all starts with NFL MVP Tom Brady (16), who set a league record for touchdown passes with 50 throwing to Randy Moss (84), who set a record with 23 TD catches. If the defense double and triple-teams Moss, as Jacksonville did in limiting him to one catch last week, there is Wes Welker (83), Jabar Gaffney (10), Donte' Stallworth (18) and TE Benjamin Watson (84), who had two TD catches last week against the Jaguars. The 5-foot-7 Welker tied for the league lead with 109 catches and is almost impossible to cover underneath when Moss is blanketed deep. Add in Kevin Faulk (33) as the pass-catching running back and Laurence Maroney (39), who rushed for 122 yards last week against the Jaguars, and it adds up to a record 589 points in the regular season, or almost 37 a game.

    What makes the Patriots offense even harder is that Brady has a quick release and the offensive line, led by LT Matt Light (72), LG Logan Mankins (70), and C Dan Koppen (67) protects him extremely well, allowing just 21 sacks this season.

    They will be under pressure this week from a San Diego defense that leads the NFL with a plus-24 turnover ratio and got two interceptions off Peyton Manning in the 28-24 win over Indianapolis last week. Antonio Cromartie (31) led the NFL with 10 regular-season interceptions and had another in the playoff win in Indianapolis last week. Linebackers Shawne Merriman (56) and Shaun Phillips (95) led the team with 12½ and 8½ sacks respectively. They are the keys to the 3-4 unit that is anchored by NT Jamal Williams (76) and ends Igor Olshansky (99) and Luis Castillo (93), with ILB Stephen Cooper (54) getting double digits in tackles in 15 of the 18 games.

    The defense has been one of the main reasons for an eight-game winning streak. After a 5-5 start learning new schemes, the Chargers have turned it around under coach Norv Turner and defensive coordinator Ted Cottrell. In those eight wins, the Chargers have allowed 13.1 points a game compared to 21 during their 5-5 start.< ^Special teams=

    Ellis Hobbs (27), a starting cornerback, had a 108-yard kickoff return for a touchdown on opening day against the Jets. But for the most part, New England's special teams are more about playing it safe than breaking big runs. Welker (83) handles most of the punt returns and averaged 10 yards per return although he is most treasured for having good hands.

    Punter Chris Hanson (6) was underworked, a reflection of New England's offense. In half of the 16 regular-season games, he punted two or fewer times. Kicker Stephen Gostkowski (3) replaced Adam Vinatieri when the league's best clutch kicker was allowed to leave as a free agent at the start of the 2006 season. Gostkowski wasn't asked to win a game this season. And while he missed one last week against Jacksonville, he was 21-of-24 in the regular season for New England.

    The Chargers' Nate Kaeding (5) was 24-of-27 during the regular season this year. As a rookie in 2004, he missed a field goal that could have won a playoff game against the New York Jets.

    Sproles has been a major weapon on special teams for the Chargers, returning both a punt and a kickoff for a touchdown in a regular-season win over the Colts. He has forced teams to kick away from him, a threat that allows the Chargers good field position. ^Coaching=

    The matchup between Turner and New England's Bill Belichick looks on paper to be a mismatch.

    Belichick is the best coach this century, having won Super Bowls after the 2001, 2003 and 2004 seasons and led the Patriots to the first 16-0 regular season in NFL history this season.

    Turner, one of the best offensive coordinators of the past two decades, was in a no-win situation when he was hired to succeed Marty Schottenheimer when the Chargers lost their first playoff game to the Patriots after going 14-2 in the regular season last year.

    He never had as much success during head coaching stints in Washington and Oakland. His 11-5 regular-season record this season was his best, but his overall career record is still well under .500 -- 69-87. However, he is 3-1 in playoff games, two of the wins this season over Tennessee and last week's upset against defending champion Indianapolis.

    The Chargers' 5-5 start also put heat on Cottrell, who took over for Wade Phillips after he was named the coach in Dallas. ^Intangibles=

    The biggest intangible for Sunday's game will be the weather. The long-range forecast is for temperatures in the 20s with high winds. That could make it a running game, which could favor San Diego if Tomlinson is healthy.

    It also would turn it into a field-position game, something the Patriots aren't used to in a season in which they have tended to cruise up and down the field. So it's possible the warm-weather team will get an edge in cold weather.

    But Belichick and the Patriots say they consider the Chargers "the hottest team in the NFL" because of that eight-game streak after grasping the new system. New England, of course, has won 17 straight.
     
  23. nickelbolt

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    Drayton is terrible with fundamentals. He plays with his head over his toes way too often. He goes for the big shot every time and misses badly (except for maybe once this year that I can remember). If he is going to cover Welker he just needs to stay with him enough to be in position to tackle him. Welker succeeds on the YAC largely because people think they're gonna blow him up. If they'd just break down properly and wait for him to make his little shake move, help will arrive and wipe his *** out. Drayton gets is feet crossed up and over-commits like a Pop Warner scout teamer. :tdown:
     
  24. Buck Melanoma

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    Weddle is the guy we need on Welker, with help from Wilhelm.

    My five ways to beat the Pats?

    1. Enthusiastically
    2. Embarrassingly
    3. Continuously
    4. Violently
    5. Thoroughly
     

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