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Flowers working on redemption

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, May 21, 2016.

  1. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    I saw an article by Gehlken on Brandon Flowers and his rededication to being a "Pro Bowl" caliber player again. For some reason, it's not up on the UT website, so I'll paraphrase what I recall.

    Flowers freely admits that he was terrible last season, and he vows to never have that happen again. He slacked off after signing that big deal, and having a new baby, he ate whatever his wife ate... plenty, by the sound of it. He arrived in camp out of shape and overweight. The extra weight also contributed to him hurting his knee early in the year, and it hampered him all season. He also admits that "outside" issues were getting in his head, and distracting him on the field.

    Determined to put that whole mess of a year behind him, he went to the same trainer that Melvin Ingram used last year (the same guy who trains Lebron James), and got himself in the best possible shape. He's now very fit, slimmed down, and ready to roll. He vows to not let outside stuff bother him again, and wants to be the player he was, and the one the Chargers saw fit to sign to a healthy extension.

    I know we read these kinds of articles every year (Butler said much the same), but unlike the Donald, Flowers was never a slacker for multiple seasons. Fans should at least have some hope that Flowers will turn things around and be a better CB this season. Having a better D-line will certainly help as well. At the very least, he shouldn't be a major liability this year.
     
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  2. Chaincrusher

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    I have mixed views of this. As you noted, others have made these sorts of claims when their game wasn't there any longer (Butler).

    Also, I don't like that our player just admitted to taking the money and being a slacker.

    He sucked mightily last year--worst CB on the roster, so I will take a wait and see approach.

    Hopefully, his issues really did revolve around a lack of conditioning and he can and has fixed that because he didn't have a step to lose if Father Time caused him to lose a step. (Unlike the case with Weddle (who was faster for his position and faster outright), that was always the downside of giving Flowers a long term, big money deal at his age.)

    If he is as good as the 2014 version of Flowers, our pass defense at CB should be strong.
     
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  3. Blue Bolt

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    I was actually more interested in what the trainer had to say, then merely Flowers own evaluation. The article is finally online:

    Brandon Flowers in shape, seizes fresh start

    On the topic of last season, Brandon Flowers sounds the way a prisoner might after an expired sentence, shaking his head as armed guards escort him beyond the penitentiary walls, leading him back to free air.

    The bad knee. The distracted mind. The poor play.

    He processes the time served.

    “I ain’t going back there,” Flowers said.

    The Chargers cornerback is coming off what he considers the worst season of his career. It’d be one thing for him to say it’s behind him. Where Flowers inspires belief is how he’s dedicated himself this offseason, targeting a return to Pro Bowl form.

    San Diego hasn't seen him like this.

    At voluntary workouts, Flowers has sprinted around, chest and neck puffing from his shirt with single-digit body fat percentage. Usually, spring is when he wilts, arriving at workouts less Strongman and more Doughboy. Such was the case last year when, following a fat, four-year, $36.4 million contract, he showed up with an equally pudgy physique.

    The look wasn’t just unbecoming.

    It became him.

    “I had a dad bod coming in last year,” said Flowers, who became a first-time father. “What my girl was eating when she was pregnant, I was eating also. I definitely came in, I want to say, 10 to 12 pounds heavier than what I am now. I was just feeling like I had time to work it off. ‘Oh, this is OTAs. I can get to it.’ And I didn’t even practice in OTAs last year because that weight was bothering me, causing different issues such as my back and putting more weight on my rehabbing knee.

    “Once you trigger one thing, a lot of things start to go. I started off bad last year, and it just kept on going downhill.”

    Here, a preface should be inserted.

    Offseason articles notoriously document how much better of shape a player is in physically. In some cases, like that of Chargers outside linebacker Melvin Ingram and wide receiver Keenan Allen in 2015, it translates onto the field. In others, like inside linebacker Donald Butler last year, it doesn’t.

    There is no crystal ball.

    That being allowed, Flowers is in a healthy place.

    He is back from the knee injury that he says limited him first in the season opener against the Lions. He allowed three touchdown catches the next week in Cincinnati. A week later, he appeared on the injury report on the evening before a Sunday game, ultimately being made inactive in Minnesota and putting a short-handed secondary in a bind.

    Today, he can move without thinking about his knee, which landed him on injured reserve last December.

    Flowers also is back from circumstances that, he says, he allowed to distract him.

    Without going into detail, he acknowledges a failure to compartmentalize his life. What should’ve been left as off-the-field issues affected him on it.

    “When I got to the field, to me, looking back at it, I wasn’t all there mentally,” Flowers said. “But that can’t happen. I’m a pro. I’ve got to put stuff aside. When I get onto the field, I’ve got to be full-go. Now, I just won’t go back.”

    Flowers saw the shape Ingram was in last season before totaling a career-high 10 1/2 sacks.

    He pursued the trainer largely responsible, meeting with Miami-based David Alexander, owner of DBC Fitness, for a consultation. Alexander’s clientele also includes NBA stars LeBron James and Dwyane Wade.

    Alexander said that he took on Flowers because the 30-year-old told him he wanted to return to the Pro Bowl.

    "He was all in," Alexander said. "We could've told him to eat a brick, and he'd eat a brick. He was a complete sponge to everything I was giving him. ... I have a test-out process, especially with our NFL guys. It's a workout that, basically, we can gauge what type of shape they get in. He blew that (whole) workout out of the water. It was to a point afterward where I pulled him aside and said, 'Listen, if I put 20 guys through that workout, 18 will tap out on it. They don't make it to the fourth round.' And he blew the fourth round out of the water.

    "That's when I said, 'I don't expect anything less than the Pro Bowl from you this year.'"


    Last year is over.

    Gone.

    “It was a horrible year,” Flowers said. “It is what it is. I’m not a sensitive guy when it comes to what happens on the field. To me, last year was unacceptable. But I had to get it out of my head. I knew what kind of place I was in last year, and I just can’t go back to where I was. It’s erased."

    His time is served.
     
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  4. Lance19

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    Well, short of giving back the pay they took for a season in which they admit they weren't all in...:rolleyes:

    this is about all you can ask of a guy. Do you take it with a grain of salt? Of course. But at least he's admitting how underwhelming he was last year, and I like the "anything less than the Pro Bowl will be a failure" assertion.

    By December everyone will know if it was just talk, or... :tup:
     
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    I get how people tend to be skeptical about these kinds of player statements prior to a season, but I wouldn't view Flowers in the same light as a player like Butler. As we all know, Butler basically went all out one year to get himself a big pay day, and then he turned into a worthless slug.

    Flowers, on the other hand, has been a very good player for a number of years, and one bad season does not mean he's "pulling a Butler" just because he signed a new deal. Obviously, the proof is in the pudding, but his actions in getting himself fit, and his contrition at how badly he played goes way beyond anything I ever saw or heard from Butler. I'm at least a little optimistic that we'll see better play from him this year, and coupled with a better D-line, that should be enough.

    Between an improved defense, and a Whiz led offense with a healthier O-line (and a real center), they should at least double their wins from last season. Sure, they may still fall short of the playoffs, but they have a shot at it.
     
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    Flowers has also shown more fire and competitiveness in his career than Butler ever did. I have hope that Flowers can bounce back. The biggest thing at his age is keeping his body right and staying healthy. Injuries tend to pile up as you get older, and that's what can lead to a decline.
     
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    Nice article Blewey... Thanks for posting!
     
  8. Blue Bolt

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    I sure hope this doesn't turn out to be another Butler type story. Although, Flowers has played much better though his career than Butler did.
     
  10. Pointyearedog

    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    I guess if one wants to be redeemed, they need to earn their way back.
     
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    We will see, but I think the biggest issue with Flowers and age is the possibility of him losing a step that he just didn't have to lose.
     
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    Flowers is a year older and a step slower. I don't see bright things in his future. DB is a young man's game unless your name is Charles Woodson. Flowers, Melvin Gordon and the new punter will be the biggest liabilities this year.
     
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    Flowers is a wild card: If what he's saying is true, then being in better shape and having his head
    in the game could make up for being 30. I'm not optimistic enough for the Pro Bowl talk,
    but I don't have trouble believing he'll be better than last year.

    Not sure about Gordon, either. He obviously struggled in multiple areas, but I think his culpability
    is being exaggerated by most fans. I hope for/expect slightly better line play in '16, but I don't think
    that run blocking improved enough for any back to have a huge year. I hope McTurtle doesn't pull
    him out after every mistake...let the kid play...most young backs need to work out the early fumbling.

    After watching Sci lose a bit each season since '12, I'm good with seeing what Kaser can do.
    I don't see any reason to worry about him...166 punts over the last 3 years...great ave., none blocked...
     
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    Don't you mean " Hold the door! "
     
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    Its really frustrating to now hear O. Franklin along the same lines as Flowers as to being out of shape and not as focused last year.
     
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    Fify :D
     
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    I moved out of Cali about a year and half ago and you have to mention In-N-Out!? :cry:
     
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    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    ^^^ You can always dream that someday an In-N-Out Restaurant will be built nearby.
     
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    I'm happy In-N-Out is in Austin. Rolling into town at 1AM after 12hr white knuckle driving thru Texas thunderstorms, one was right across the street from the hotel we were staying. Very happy to see that in my new city of residence.

    For quick good BBQ in Austin, Rudy's is the place.
     
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    God dammit I want to try In N Out. Also I know it's LA but is Roscoes everything it's hyped up to be?
     
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    Pointyearedog I only put idiots on ignore...

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    ^^^ I have yet to try Roscoes. There is word that they are building a Roscoes here in San Diego soon.

    Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles is coming to San Diego
    POSTED 1:21 PM, FEBRUARY 24, 2016, BY FOX 5 DIGITAL TEAM, UPDATED AT 03:50PM, FEBRUARY 24, 2016
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    SAN DIEGO – A Roscoe’s House of Chicken & Waffles is coming to San Diego.

    San Diego Eater, a website that reports on restaurant news, reported Wednesdasy that Roscoe’s ownership is actively looking at sites around San Diego. The popular soul-food restaurant could open in Hotel Circle area in Mission Valley as soon as next year.

    Their food is known to attract thousand, including stars, and even President Obama.

    There are seven locations in Los Angeles.
     
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    WELL TIME TO MAKE MY TRIP TO SAN DIEGO A REALITY
     
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    All this bad food talk will make me head into the NFL season out of shape too
     
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    So... San Diego has good tacos right?
     
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    San Diego is "Taco Central" around here.
     
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    I agree that there are legitimate questions regarding Flowers and Gordon based upon poor performances last year.

    I think Scifres was regressing (19th in gross yardage per punt and 27th in net) and very expensive, so he was a good player to release as it would not take much for our new punter to at least equal that level of performance. Kaser was rated by all sources that I saw as a top 2 collegiate punter, so I think he will do a good job for us just as Lambo did last year at K.

    In addition to Gordon and Flowers, I am concerned about Franklin at LG, Slauson/Tuerk at C, Bosa at 3-4 DE, Te'o at ILB and how much time it will take Perry to develop enough to beat him out, Lowery at FS, whether Tyrell or Dom Williams can become a legitimate outside WR deep threat such that Benjamin can play more slot WR, and whether or not we will get enough out of our #2 TE (Cumberland or Henry--not assuming that Henry beats out Cumberland for the #2 TE position).

    So yeah, I think there are just a few questions that need to be sorted out heading into this upcoming season.
     
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    I agree. We have several In-N-Out restaurants in the greater DFW area, so it was great not to have to miss them when I moved from California to Texas. And Rudy's is a good call on quick BBQ--better than Dickey's Barbecue Pit IMO.
     
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