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Floyd for a 2nd round pick ?

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  1. Johnny Lightning

    Johnny Lightning Go Bolts

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    With the receiver position looking pretty weak for free agency, multiple league sources told Scout.com that San Diego Chargers WR Malcom Floyd could receive plenty of attention starting next Friday when the free spending begins.

    Floyd, who is set to become a restricted free agent, only caught 27 passes last season. However, scouts love that he runs well (17.2 yards per catch) for his size (6'5").

    The key will be what level the team tenders him at. It's believed they'll tender him at least at a second-round level. Even so, teams that are looking for immediate receiver help still could show significant interest because many believe he's ready to be a starter.

    By Scout.com
     
  2. Dublin Bolt

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    I'd hate to see him go. Like it says he is ready to start. No way is a 2nd round pick adequate as far as I am concerned. If someone would give us a 2 for Legs or Buster, now your'e talkin.
     
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  3. AnteaterCharger

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    If they tag him with just a second round pick then that is basically hanging him out there in trade. If the Chargers wanted to lock him down they could with a first round tag (no one's paying that).

    Still I wonder if they're starting to make some plans in the eventuality that they can't make a deal with LT (fill out their draft picks so they can go after a running back and still hit their other needs)
     
  4. BoltFanDC

    BoltFanDC Mufflers Are Overrated

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    No way do I want to see him leave...especially with the uncertainties of Bust(er)'s health, Chambers' likely departure when his contract ends and VJ's seeming inability to call a cab after a night on the town.

    Gotta keep him. Just my $.02.
     
  5. RM24

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    Agree with you BoltFan. But then again, a 2nd might end up to be somebody that could fill a serious need in the draft (RB, DT, ILB) Tough call there. I like M80 a lot and agree Chambers could walk next season and Buster could end up to be his first four letters......(get it?)
     
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  7. Sydalish

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    Oh hell no! M80 needs to stay put, we have a pretty solid WR corp right now but with VJ's issues [and likely suspension for a few games] Chambers contract coming up soon and Buster always on IR we'd be in a sad state without him. Not to mention he and PR have awesome chem.
     
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  8. AnteaterCharger

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    Depending on who grabs him, there's quite a few second rounders right now that we could target who could help us.

    OT Phil Loadholt
    NT Ron Brace
    RB Shonn Green
    S William Moore

    Any of those guys could help us big time
     
  9. Trumpet_Man

    Trumpet_Man Well-Known Member

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    Malcolm Floyd = Reche Caldwell = always injured.

    Take the second round pick and parlay it into something something....maybe another VET WR .....
     
  10. Charger Dave

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    ??? I must have been asleep or something - anybody seen what tender offer has been made to Malcom yet? I haven't...
     
  11. Boltjolt

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    Are you serious? NOBODY is going to give us a 2nd round pick for Floyd....NOBODY! But if AJ has somebody offer him a 2nd he better get him some new luggage and help him pack himself because he would be robbing whoever that fool is who offered it.

    How you can see that a 2nd isnt adequate , i have no idea. The guy has never been heathy for ONE whole season and has a career high of 27 receptions in a season while getting hurt again doing it.
     
  12. Boltjolt

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    Im sure AJ knows that nobody is going to pay a 2nd for him either and a 2nd round tender is cheaper salarywise than tendering him a first. Floyd isnt going anyhwere.
     
  13. Trumpet_Man

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    There is a set window for tenders.

    You probably have read this but for those who have not here is a cut and paste of the rules etc etc:

    Definitions

    The definition that we cited above by the CBA for a Free Agent is really the definition of an "Unrestricted Free Agent" (UFA). More specifically, an UFA is : "[a] player [that] shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind." Basically, what that means is that an UFA is free to sign with the highest bidder (or the team of their choice) without that team having to give the original team any kind of compensation. When a player with five or more accrued seasons (or with four or more accrued seasons in any Capped Year) reaches the end of his player contract, he becomes an UFA.

    Obviously, if the CBA is going to define a term for an "Unrestricted Free Agent", you would expect that they must also have something called a "Restricted Free Agent" (RFA). And, of course, you would be right. A RFA is "any Veteran player with three or more accrued seasons, but less than five accrued seasons (or less than four accrued seasons in any capped year)... At the expiration of his last Player Contract during such period... [the player] shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any club, and any club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any such player, subject to... certain restrictions." The restrictions are the fun part.

    The player's original team maintains the First Refusal Right if the team tenders a contract offer of one year at $1.01 M.

    The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and Draft Selection at the Player’s Original Draft Round (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at the same amount(s) listed above OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

    The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and Second Round Draft Selection (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $$1.545 million OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

    The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and First Round Draft Selection (from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $2.198 million OR at least 110% of the player’s prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

    The player's original team maintains the Right of First Refusal and First Round Draft Selection and Third Round Draft Selection (both from the team with which he signs) if the team tenders an offer of one year at $2.792 million OR at least 110% of the player's prior year’s salary -- whichever is greater.

    In the event a Prior Club withdraws its Qualifying Offer, the RFA immediately becomes an UFA.

    There is one other kind of free agent, which isn't really very "free" at all. That is the Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA). Such a player has no more than two accrued seasons in the NFL and may only sign with his prior team, provided, of course, that the team extends a minimum qualifying offer to the player.

    NFL teams have two other tools at their disposal that provide for greater leverage in securing Free Agents: the Franchise Tag and the Transition Tag.

    Each Club can designate one of its players who would otherwise be an UFA or RFA as a Franchise Player each season. Something that even some of the most knowledgeable sports fans do not realize is that a team has the option of designating a Franchise player with one of two tags: "Exclusive" or "Non-Exclusive".

    Any Club that designates a Franchise Player as "Exclusive" shall be the only Club with which that Franchise Player may negotiate or sign a contract. In order to designate an UFA or RFA as an Exclusive Franchise Player, the team must tender the player a one year contract that is the minimum of the average of the five largest salaries (as calculated at the end of the free agency signing period) for players at the position at which he played the most games during the prior year, or 120% of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.

    If the team elects to name the player "non-exclusive" then the player shall be permitted to negotiate a contract with any Club as if he were an UFA; however, Draft Choice Compensation of TWO first round draft selections shall be awarded to the prior club in the event that he signs with the new club. For Non-Exlusive Franchise Players, the team must tender the player a one year contract that is the minimum of the average of the five largest PRIOR-YEAR salaries for players at the position at which he played the most games in the prior year, or 120% of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.

    If the player elects to play with the prior club (the team that designated him with the Franchise tag) and does not negotiate another contract with that team, then the one year salary is guaranteed. Also, if the prior club elects to withdraw the qualifying offer, the player becomes an UFA.

    Each Club can also designate one UFA or RFA as a Transition Player. Additionally, (in the final year of the CBA) each club may, in lieu of designating a Franchise Player, designate an additional Transition Player during the same designation period as the Franchise Player designation period. Whew! What that means is that a team may elect to tag two players with the Transition tag or one Transition Player and one Franchise Player in the final capped year. Any Club that designates a Transition Player shall receive the Rights of First Refusal. In order to designate an UFA or RFA as a Transition Player, the team must tender the player a one year contract for the average of the ten largest prior year salaries for players at the position at which he played the most games during the prior year, or 120% of his prior year salary, whichever is greater.




    Time Frame

    Teams can officially designate Franchise and Transition Players between Feb 5, 2009 and Feb 19, 2009.

    February 26 is the deadline for clubs to submit qualifying offers to their RFAs whose contracts have expired and to whom they desire to retain a Right of First Refusal/Draft Compensation.

    Free Agency officially begins on February 27. For RFAs, the period officially ends on April 17. The deadline for old clubs to exercise the Right of First Refusal to RFAs is April 24. For UFAs (including Franchise players and Transition players), who have been given a tender offer from their prior team, the period officially ends on July 22 or the first day of training camp -- whichever is later.

    Under the old CBA, a team had until March 17 to work out a long term deal with its Franchise Player. If the team signed the Franchise Player between March 18 and July 14, the tag would have stayed with that player for the length of his contract, which meant that the team could not name another Franchise Payer until that player's contract was terminated. The updated CBA pushed that date back until July 22, the same as the free agency deadline. However, there remains a caveat: The club may NOT sign the tagged player to a long-term contract after July 14. That is, the team has until July 14 to sign the tagged player to a long-term contract; afterwards the player may sign only a one-year contract with his prior team, and the contract may not be extended until after the last regular season game.

    A prior team has until June 1 to tender an UFA or a RFA a qualifying offer (worth at least 110% of the salary of the final year of the contract with the prior team). In the case of UFAs, if such an offer is made, the player has until July 22 to sign with a DIFFERENT club. If he doesn't, then the only team that the player can sign with after July 22, is the prior club. In the case of RFAs, if such a June 1 tender is made, the player can ONLY sign with the the prior club. If no June 1 tender is made for a RFA (or the tender is rescinded by the prior club before July 22), then the player becomes an UFA. In the case of both UFAs and RFAs, if the player does not sign with the Prior team by the first Tuesday following Week 10 of the regular NFL season, then the player shall be prohibited from playing in the NFL for the remainder of that season.

    Deadline for old clubs to withdraw an original qualifying offer to a RFA and still retain exclusive negotiating rights by substituting tender of 110% of previous year’s salary is June 15.

    Wow! That's a lot to digest! If all of this still seems confusing, relax. We have a series of FAQs that may better help you understand how Free Agency works in the NFL.

    http://www.askthecommish.com/freeagency/

    linky thing
     
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  14. Burley

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    Where's Eric Parker when u need him...
     
  15. Boltdiehard

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    Not only no but fuk no.

    Floyd is the chiat. :yes: :bolt:
     
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  16. Charger Dave

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    Thanks Trumpy - the short answer appears to be I wasn't napping and he (Malcom) will have it by the 26th (or six days left to go). :tup:
     
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    It's funny you mentioned EP Burley. I have a good friend that's an assistant coach for Helix High in La Mesa, (SD) and he texted me last night saying he's having a coaches dinner with EP himself since he is now the wide receivers coach for Helix. My friend told me EP was the coolest guy and that he could still ball if he wanted to. EP was always cool with me and my son, always gracious enough to give us an autograph. I wish him well.
     
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  18. Dublin Bolt

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    I'll tell u why I believe a 2nd round pick isn't adequate.

    When given his chance Malcom has always delivered. I don't know how many times he has gone and got a ball that VJ, for one, would not. He is starter quality in this league period.

    I'll give u that he has had his fair share of injuries but didn't VJ his first 2 yrs and now look at him. If Malcom can get himself consistent gametime he will supplant CC by mid-season.

    Another reason why - we cannot rely on CC past this season and we cannot rely on Buster at all just yet (I am still not giving up on him though). After them who we got, Legs!?. Another guy who we don't know about since he gets little or no chance.

    We know what we have with Malcom.

    A 2nd round pick is player 33 - 64. There can be a big difference between 33 and 64.
     
  19. zatoichi

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    Floyd for a 2nd? That's homer talk. Get real. (What the hell was Scout.com drinking or smoking.) You'd be lucky if you got a 4th or a 5th for him. Rather than speculate, do the following reality checks before getting too excited about the prospects of Floyd leaving:

    1. find a fan of another team who would take Floyd for his team's 2nd round pick,

    2. provide a compelling argument as to why LT would only garner a 2nd day pick while Floyd would get a 2nd round pick,

    3. explain why a GM would give up a 2nd for Floyd when he can get TJ Houshmandzadeh for nothing

    BTW--NY Yankee fans were bent out of shape when they had a chance to trade Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy for Johann Santana. They said no way those kids (i.e., Hughes and Kennedy) were too good, too valuable--they were future HoFers. Two HoFers for one? No way, they said. You know how that story is turning out.
     
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    Floyd has upside but is an undrafted FA with a history of injuries that has caught around 50 passes in 5 years. To get a second round pick for him would be like winning the lottery.
     
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  21. Boltjolt

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    VJ was dinged his first couple years but Floyd has been here 4 or 5 and has been hurt every year including when he was on the PS and broke his collarbone. He is a china doll!

    He has performed well for us but to think a 2nd isnt adequate imo is complete homer speak because nobody will give us a 2nd for him.
     
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    There is no way in hell we get a 2 for Floyd. :sleep014:
     
  23. BOLTS4LIFE

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    I like Floyd but he is hurt a lot.
    If he can stay healthy, he'd be an offensive weapon from Hell!!

    Though we do need a #2.
     

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