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Fox on the Cinci game

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Concudan, Nov 9, 2006.

  1. Concudan

    Concudan Caffeinated Commando

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6150830?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5

    Chargers at Bengals: Uh-oh. Chad Johnson isn't happy. After delivering his "Christmas ornament" speech on Sunday, he left Paul Brown Stadium Monday with a two-word message for the media: "I suck." Whatever you do, Chad, don't write that on the back of your uniform. And chin up, buddy: you'll face Quentin Jammer this week. Jammer is the human pass interference penalty. Send him some yellow flags in the mail and you'll turn that frown upside down.

    If the Bengals had a healthy offensive line, they would make a smart upset pick this week, with Johnson and company running rings around the Chargers secondary. But the Bengals line is falling apart. Willie Anderson, who started his 104th consecutive game last week, is out with a shoulder injury. Center Rick Braham and guard Eric Steinbach have been out for weeks. The Chargers don't need Shawne Merriman to generate sacks against whoever's left. The Bengals defense is banged up, too, so LaDainian Tomlinson and company will be able to play their brand of down-tempo football.

    The Chargers are extremely strong. Marty Schottenheimer will have to work overtime this season to beat himself in the playoffs.
     
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    Jammer, the human pass interference penalty, has not been called for pass interference once this season. He has one defensive holding penalty and an illegal contact penalty. That's it. He's also allowed as many TDs as he has INTs (2).
     
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    wasn't he called for the phantom PI against Joe jurabiotches??
     
  4. boltsnow

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    Illegal contact, 5 yard penalty. Frye fumbled the ball and we recovered it. You can't have a PI penalty unless you have a P--a pass.
     
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    Yeah, it's an illegal contact if the WR runs into Jammer before the pass, and a PI if he does it after the QB throws the ball.
     
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  8. AnteaterCharger

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    that was still a BS call, no question
    and jammer has really played better this year
     
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    Jammer doesn't have any PIs cause never gets within ear shot of a wr!!!

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    Jammer's penalties in our 8 games so far:

    Week 1 - Raiders - NONE

    Week 2 - Titans - NONE

    Week 4 - Ravens - NONE

    Week 5 - Steelers
    4th Quarter
    3-7-PIT22 (7:37) (Shotgun) B.Roethlisberger pass short right to C.Wilson to PIT 31 for 9 yards (Q.Jammer). Penalty on SD-Q.Jammer, Defensive Holding, declined.

    Week 6 - 49ers - NONE

    Week 7 - Chiefs - NONE

    Week 8 - Rams
    2nd Quarter
    4-4-SD31 (15:00) M.Bulger pass short middle to K.Curtis to SD 24 for 7 yards (D.Edwards). Penalty on SD-Q.Jammer, Illegal Use of Hands, declined.

    Week 9 - Browns
    3rd Quarter
    3-6-CLE25 (13:35) C.Frye sacked at CLV 11 for -14 yards (D.Robinson). FUMBLES (D.Robinson), RECOVERED by SD-M.McCree at CLV 11. M.McCree to CLV 25 for -14 yards.
    PENALTY on SD-Q.Jammer, Illegal Contact, 5 yards, enforced at CLV 25 - No Play.



    So, 3 penalties this year so far, only one of which was accepted. In addition, that accepted one in the Browns game was that crap call where Jurevicius ran down QJ and got the benefit from the refs.


    "Human pass interference penalty" ?

    RIIIIGGGHHHTTT!!!! :unsure:


    I guess anytime there's a call against the secondary they (the writers and casual viewers) instinctively blame Jammer, when my research tells me that it's D'Flo and Cromartie that have each drawn more flags than QJ so far this season.
     
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    http://nfl.com/news/story/9788009

    2. Cincinnati Bengals: This is definitely a glass half-empty situation. No one is more frustrated than quarterback Carson Palmer. It is amazing to me that Palmer is actually playing after coming off a horrific knee injury less than a year ago. He has admitted that his accuracy is off, and even though I've never had a knee injury, I can completely understand how he would struggle. This is a unique team with a number of explosive personalities. People often point to the "character" element within a team. And it is fair to say that because of all the off-field distractions surrounding the Bengals, their character has not only been revealed, but it's also been tested. They start the second half against the San Diego Chargers at home in what has to be a desperate situation. The Bengals can right their season by defeating the Chargers; however, if they don't win, the character flaw that some of the Bengals' players possess could implode their playoff hopes.
     
  12. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    time for the kitties to pop
     
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    http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/2006/11/bengals-midterm-chargers091106.html

    Chargers serve as Bengals' midterm exam

    School is in session. The class is Regular Season 101. The Cincinnati Bengals are halfway through the 16-week semester and they are struggling to get a passing grade.

    The team has flunked a couple of early pop quizzes in losses to Atlanta and Tampa Bay. And the Bengals' attendance has been very spotty. They came late to class in Baltimore and didn't even bother showing up against New England.

    Now it's time for their midterm examination against the San Diego Chargers . If they fail this test, Cincinnati will be a step closer to having to repeat the class next year.

    The Bengals will need to study hard. The Chargers are coming into the game third in total offense and second in team defense. If they don't come prepared for this one, it won't matter if the test is true/false, multiple choice or essay, they will just be guessing at how to pull out a win.

    The main questions on the test are going to be: How does your defense stop LaDainian Tomlinson? What can you do to pressure Philip Rivers? Will your offense be able to run the ball effectively?

    A couple of other math word problems will be on the exam as well.

    Here are some examples:

    In the last two games, both losses, the Bengals' offense has converted just 5 of 20 third downs, or 25 percent, yet their defense has allowed opponents to convert 13 of 28, or 46 percent. What will it take to get first downs and stop giving them up?

    If the Chargers are leading the league in scoring with 31 points a game and only giving up 16.8, how can you win if you are only averaging 21.9 points on offense and allowing 21.0 per game on defense?

    Is it possible to win the turnover battle against a team that has only given it away six times when your team has 12 times?

    Having the correct answers to these questions and a dozen more will be the difference in achieving victory or going down in defeat.

    Coaches and players alike better be cracking the books, studying the game film, working on practice tests and pulling all-nighters, or this exam will be over before you can say No. 2 pencil.

    Oh yeah, and one more thing.

    This test will not be graded on a curve; either they win, or they fail.
     
  14. cranberry

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    Don't you read the following sentences by judge cbs sportsline

    Honorable mention: Rivers and Chargers offense

    Bolts' Philip Rivers (Getty Images)
    I was one of those who didn't understand how the Chargers could let Brees go. Then I got a load of Philip Rivers. He's accurate. He's poised. He's confident. In short, he's everything Brees was ... and is.

    Hey, I admit it: I didn't like the Chargers turning over their offense to someone who hadn't taken a snap. Why should I? But look where they are now: tied for first in their division and ahead of everyone in scoring. Moreover, Rivers is rated fifth in the NFL's passer rating and second in fourth-quarter passing.

    Of course, having someone like LaDainian Tomlinson in your backfield doesn't hurt. All he's done the past four games is score 11 times and throw for a 12th TD. Now he's on schedule to tie Shaun Alexander's record for most touchdowns in one season.

    The Bolts are a legitimate threat to Indianapolis, and the Colts better hope they don't see them in the playoffs. San Diego should've beaten them in Indianapolis two years ago and did beat them there last season, ending the team's 13-game run. The Bolts are armed, and they're dangerous.
     
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    http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061109/SPT03/611090305/1035/SPT

    Tough hurdle at home
    Tomlinson has multiple skills


    By Kevin Goheen
    Post staff reporter

    San Diego Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson comes into Paul Brown Stadium Sunday needing 172 yards for a 1,000-yard rushing season. He's gained at least that much in his last two games.

    Lorenzo Neal has blocked for 1,000-yard rushers the last nine consecutive seasons. That included 2001 and 2002 with the Bengals in front of Corey Dillon.

    As soon as LaDainian Tomlinson tacks on another 172 yards, Neal's streak will reach 10 seasons. The way Tomlinson has been going he very well could get those yards Sunday against the Bengals when his San Diego Chargers come to Paul Brown Stadium.

    Tomlinson has gained 355 yards on the ground in the last two games - 183 against St. Louis and 172 against Cleveland - and leads the NFL in scoring (14 touchdowns) and total yards from scrimmage with 1,151 yards.

    The fifth overall pick in the 2001 draft, a player San Diego was willing to trade out of the No. 1 spot and Michael Vick to obtain, has proven well worth the price.

    "I'm no idiot. I go where all of the great backs are," said Neal, who in his 14th season is playing for his seventh team. "He makes my job easy. It's his vision, his speed, and his ability to make people miss. He never really ever takes a big shot and knows when to get down. He's not the guy who is going to slam it in there and get you four yards and a cloud of dust like Corey Dillon or Rudi (Johnson) will. Those are guys that have the home run potential, but they're the stronger guys that will run you over and if they break it they've got some speed...................................
     
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    A penalty is a penalty.
     
  17. VAN DE MAN CHARGER FAN

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    man sometimes football experts dont know what there talking about, Remember when they had the Colts to beat the Chargers last year?:yes:
     
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    Good dig, Slug!!:tup: :icon_toast:
     
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    Hater!!:icon_mrgreen: :lol:
     
  20. Trumpet_Man

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    http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5669

    Bengals-Chargers tight fit

    November 9, 2006

    Posted: 9:45 p.m.

    If the Bengals had been able to reduce the other tight end the past two weeks, there would probably be a lot less talk about throwing it more to their own tight end.

    It’s not as if Pro Bowlers Alge Crumpler and Todd Heap annexed the seam and went at will on them all day. But they did kill the Bengals softly enough in the middle to lead their teams in receiving and now Cincinnati only gets the guy that many believe is the best tight end in the game in San Diego’s Antonio Gates.

    “He’s a little bit of a hybrid of both of them,” said Bengals defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan after Thursday’s practice. “He’s a tight end that can be a wide receiver and he’s a wide receiver that’s big. You have to have the right matchups on him.”

    Combating an NFL tight end is all about matchups. As Bengals radio analyst Dave Lapham says, “They’re usually too fast for linebackers and too big for safeties. While defenses can come up with exotic defenses to stop wide receivers, there aren’t as many ways to take away a tight end, and if you can get a guy that can run and can make himself available In the middle of the field he quickly becomes the quarterback’s best friend.”

    Strong safety Dexter Jackson, who often finds himself in the matchup, observed the other day that it’s not like the physical Crumpler and the speedy Heap abused the Bengals. Each had just four catches for the Falcons and Ravens, respectively, and none was longer than 28 yards and none came on third down.

    But none went for fewer than 15 yards either, and all accounted for first downs in a deadly game of clock control the Bengals badly lost the past two weeks. As the 6-4, 260-pound basketballish Gates arrives with a 14.3-yard average on 11 third-down catches for a team that leads the NFL in time of possession, the Bengals have to make sure lightning doesn’t strike three straight times.

    Throw in the fact that Gates is a monster in the red zone with 27 touchdown catches since 2004 (one more than Terrell Owens and three more than Randy Moss) and that three of the top nine individual numbers against the Bengals this season have come from tight ends, and they would like to make sure it’s not a Chargers lightning bolt.

    “It’s a great challenge for us because look at who these guys have with them,” Bresnahan said. “It’s not just Crumpler because he’s got Michael Vick. Gates has LaDainian Tomlinson, so you have to defend everybody and be very cognizant of your matchups.

    “We feel like we’ve got safeties that can do an adequate job and we’ve got linebackers we feel like can get physical with them in some of our zone coverages when they’re not left out by themselves with them."

    Because tight ends put the defense in that no-man’s land, it varies who gets the assignment.

    Heap set the tone for the Ravens in the second half last week on the opening drive when two of his catches accounted for more than half the 74 yards in a field-goal drive, 28 coming in a one-on-one matchup with rookie strong-side linebacker Rashad Jeanty.

    BEST YARDAGE DAYS VS. BENGALS IN ‘06

    1. Steelers RB Willie Parker: 133 rushing yards, 9/24
    2. Panthers WR Steve Smith: 126 receiving, 10/22
    3. Patriots RB Laurence Maroney: 125 rushing, 10/1
    4. Browns WR Braylon Edwards: 110 receiving, 9/17
    5. Bucs RB Cadillac Williams: 94 yards rushing, 10/15
    6. Ravens TE Todd Heap: 84 receiving, 11/5
    7. Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez: 81 receiving, 9/10
    8. Steelers WR Cedrick Wilson: 73 receiving, 9/24
    8.Ravens WR Mark Clayton: 73 receiving, 11/5
    9.Falcons TE Alge Crumpler: 72 receiving, 10/29
    9. Ravens RB Jamal Lewis: 72 rushing, 11/5

    Two weeks ago, Crumpler scored the Falcons’ first touchdown on a first-and-15 catch from the Bengals 16 when he came across the middle and beat the double coverage of Jackson and nickel free safety Kevin Kaesviharn.

    Crumpler came back to make the killing play of the game against a cornerback. With the Bengals out of timeouts and trailing, 28-20, Crumpler caught a second-and-nine pass across the middle in front of Deltha O’Neal for the deflating 17-yarder with about 3:20 left.

    “A guy like Crumpler (6-2, 262) is as big as a house so it’s just hard to get around the guy and make a play on the ball,” Lapham said. “That’s what happened to Kase on the touchdown. He went for the ball and just couldn’t get around Crumpler in time because he’s so big and physical and Gates is the same kind of guy, except he can really run.”

    The Bengals feel pretty good about their matchups because if it’s one thing their linebackers can do, it's run, led by weak-side backer Landon Johnson. Jeanty often gets the assignment when the tight end is in the box because he’s usually lined up over him and one of the reasons the Bengals really like him is he can run and cover as well as bring the wood a little bit with 242 pounds.

    Plus, free safety Madieu Williams is fast enough that he broke in as a nickel corner and Jackson brings years of banging his head against such NFL tight ends as Crumpler, Jeremy Shockey, Jason Witten and L.J. Smith.


    Jeanty
    Sunday’s game in Baltimore marked Jeanty’s return to the lineup after missing four games with a foot injury, and Bresnahan remains quite optimistic.

    “He bit on the head-and-shoulder fake inside, and he just lost his balance,” Bresnahan said of Jeanty allowing Heap’s 28-yarder. “He had great leverage, then he started to lean inside when he got the head-and-shoulder fake. That’s just being back from four weeks off and getting polished off. He’ll do a great job.”

    Bengals foes appear to be picking on the inexperience of the backers in the wake of injuries and the Odell Thurman suspension as Jeanty continues to make the transition from CFL defensive end and third-round supplemental pick Ahmad Brooks continues to wow in the run game but muddle through at middle linebacker in the pass game as one would expect a late arriving rookie.

    Against the Falcons and Crumpler, the Bengals tried to get veteran Brian Simmons back on the field with both Brooks and Johnson, but he aggravated his neck injury on the first snap and that hampered the Bengals experience some more.

    Plus, Jackson has been hobbled by a bad ankle. But Bresnahan doesn’t want to hear all that because he stresses defending a tight end like Gates requires a team scheme.

    “It’s not just one position,” Bresnahan said. “Because a good pass rush takes that away. Zone coverage with great vision takes that stuff away. Playing with proper leverage takes it away. You want to make a play? You’ve got to lock them out.”

    For the most part, the Bengals have locked out offenses since the Patriots put up 38 points on them Oct. 1. Since then, they’ve allowed one 100-yard receiving day (Carolina’s Steve Smith) and zero 100-yard rushing days. Next to Cadillac Williams’ 94 rushing yards in Tampa, the best individual numbers against them in the last four games have been Heap’s 84 yards and Crumpler’s 72, as well as Ravens running back Jamal Lewis’ 72 rushing yards.

    “You want to see a house?” Lapham asks. “Check out Gates.”
     
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    San Diego at Cincinnati Preview
    November 09, 2006
    Written by Jason Wainscott

    “60% of the time, it works every time”

    The first half of the season is in the books. The Cincinnati Bengals are 4-4. Their play personified by their record. In all categories they are decidedly average or below. They are a .500-ball club, mediocre in every aspect of play.

    You can’t win the Super Bowl or even make the playoffs in the first half of the season, but you can take yourself out of running. Just ask the Steelers. Don’t you think Bill Cowher would give a kidney (or an appendix) right now to be 4-4 with a chance at making the playoffs instead of dead in the water at 2-6?

    With as bad as the Bengals have played thus far, especially in the last five games, they still have a chance.

    “Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina…”.........click on link for more

    “It smells like, like a used diaper...filled with Indian food”

    That’s about as adequate of a description as can be penned right now. This Bengals team is soft. They are mentally weak and they have been beaten down physically. They have no maturity, as demonstrated by how poorly they have dealt with 2005’s success; and they have no leaders as evidenced by seemingly everyone’s complaining and pointing fingers.
     
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    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bengals/2006-11-09-offense_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA

    Bengals offense looking for results
    Updated 11/9/2006 5:08 PM ET

    By Jeff Zillgitt, USA TODAY

    If the Cincinnati Bengals were going to struggle this season, their highly touted offense wasn't expected to be the issue.
    Not with a unit that ranked sixth in total yards and fourth in scoring in 2005.

    Not with running back Rudi Johnson, receivers Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh and quarterback Carson Palmer all back after an 11-5 season and playoff appearance a year ago.

    Yet at the halfway point, the offense bears some of the responsibility for the Bengals' 4-4 record.

    "On (offense) whether it be protection, whether it be a throw, whether it be a route, we need to make sure we're in the right spots," Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said.

    The stats are there. The results are not. They've lost four of their past five, including two in a row.

    Cincinnati can point to injuries on the offensive line. Left tackle Levi Jones has missed four games, and center Rich Braham has missed the past six games.

    Questions also surround quarterback Carson Palmer. ESPN analyst and former NFL quarterback Ron Jaworski speculated that Palmer has at times struggled with his mechanics since returning from reconstructive knee surgery. Still, Jaworski saw improvement in Sunday's 26-20 loss to Baltimore.

    "He was much more solid in the pocket," Jaworski said. "He was planting his back foot, stepping forward and transferring weight. The week before, he was trying to protect that left knee. It was obvious they (Atlanta Falcons) were going low at him.

    "No question (against Baltimore), he appeared to consciously do the fundamental things we talk about. He missed a couple of throws and had a few where there was pressure. But I don't think he's playing poorly."

    While he might not be the Palmer of a year ago, he is a top-10 passer. Rudi Johnson is on pace for a 1,000-yard season. Chad Johnson and Houshmandzadeh remain one of the league's more potent receiving tandems.

    When looking for answers, Lewis cites the team's third-down woes. The Bengals converted only one of 10 third downs against the Ravens and are 26th in in third-down conversions. A by-product is time of possession. The Bengals defense has been on the field an average 5:36 more than the offense.

    "To be successful, you have to convert on third down," Rudi Johnson said. "No one wants to go three-and-out. That's how you put points on the board. We need positive yards on first and second down. Once it's third-and-long, we know teams are going to bring it. That makes it tough."

    The frustration spilled onto the field and into the locker room after Sunday's loss........... click on link 4 more
     
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    The only thing the Cincy offense is going to get is prison sex. :yes: :bolt:

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    Cesaire just deep Fryed the Browns QB ......

    You're next, Mr. Palmer.
     
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    And what's your point?

    A five yard penalty is better than a forty yard penalty.
     
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    its gonna be a battle. Cinci has to win this game. THeir backs are way up against the wall. The chargers have to win this game just to keep even with the donks.

    This cinci game will be played at a playoff level. Its a must needed win for both teams. Gonna be a battle.
     
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    http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

    STERLING CALLS OUT OCHO STINKO

    Sterling Sharpe of NFLN suggests that Bengals receiver Chad Johnson a/k/a Ocho Cinco a/k/a Ocho Stinko has developed a case of alligator arms after getting blown up in Week Two by Brian Russell of the Cleveland Browns.

    Relying on three different examples of plays in which Señor Stinko has short-armed balls in order to protect himself, Sharpe urges Johnson to be willing to take the big hits in order to help turn the team's fortunes around.

    Sharpe tried to soft peddle his message, since it's verboten for former players to diss current ones. But Sharpe came as close as we've ever seen any former player to calling a current player a señorita.

    Kudos (for a change) to Sterling.
     

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