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Free Agency 2013

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by SuperCharger92, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. Cheapseats

    Cheapseats Loud, proud Charger fan

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    ZBS or not, we need to draft the best offensive lineman available at the 11th pick. Potentially, we could be carrying a lot of "dead" money on the cap (... or should I say "deadbeat" money on the cap?) and may not be able to be a very big player in free agency. Unless Telesco is a genius at spotting undervalued talent in the FA market, anybody worth picking up is going to want a wheelbarrow full of cash that we don't have. Otherwise, we are reduced to playing "rent-a-stiff" (again) and hoping to make lemonade out of cow-pies. I am curious to see what the first round of roster cuts look like.
     
  2. SuperCharger92

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    I have extreme confidence in Telesco & co., from what he did in Indy in a year, get a 2-14 team to 11-5, he was apart of that and knows what it takes to get us to that point.

    They operated with a $90M salary cap last year, seeing how 30.1 % of their adjusted cap was dead money. The fact they were an 11-5 team and a contender with a $90M salary cap is something amazing. And Telesco will know how to work it.

    And now guess what their cap space is in 2013? $46M! Crazy number, but they cleared a lot of space due to Manning's release. But they had tough decisions with Gary Brackett and others.
     
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  3. Ikeman83

    Ikeman83 Werter Pöbel

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    I agree that the Colts did extremely well last year given their cap situation, but keep in mind that Luck cost them all of 4 Mil on the cap last year. They also had 3 rookies at the skill positions who were costing them next to nothing. This team has 2 bloated contracts relative to performance at TE and WR, and Rivers is going to cost us 14 Mil on the cap this year. That doesn't mean that we're doomed, but I think that it's important to realize that when you compare the production they got from their rookies under the new RWS to the production we saw from our FAs, that we might actually be in a worse situation than Indy was last year.
     
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    Wow! If the Chargers could also improve by 9 games, we'd be 16-0...I like the sound of that. :D

    Very very very optimistic.png

    In all seriousness, I love your optimism and faith ("confidence")...
    especially since I'm feeling the least positive about my team's chances
    since the run up to the 2009 season... :unsure:
     
  6. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    I would argue the Colts caught lightning in a bottle, they won 11 games, but none of them were truly impressive most of them were very very close and a few even were pure dumb luck...no pun intended. Its one of those situations that is comparable to the incredibly fraudulent 2010 Chiefs.

    Something to consider is that if we do dump all the dead weight this year in Gaither, Meachem, Clary, McClain, Royal, etc...that we are off the hook entirely for all their contracts in 2014. I would guess we will have about 40-50 million in open cap space next year depending on if we take on any big contracts this year, and the cap limit.

    BTW Rivers cap number is over $17 million this year, but goes down to $15 million next year. I think we're at a time where we should restructure his deal, maybe cut $10 mil off this year and put it back on as guaranteed money the next 2 years.
     
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  7. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    That's the same thing with the colts - they jettisoned everyone they could in one big purge and I think they now have the fourth or fifth most room under the cap. It's not ideal but jettisoning most of them now will make the Chargers' position better the following year, but the question should be if the FA class next year is worth it.

    Restructure Rivers' contract by promising him that the money will be used to protect him and he'll happily drop his cap number. Besides he's still going to get his money, just the cap will be altered. And if it goes towards grabbing Rhinehart/Long/Albert I think all is good
     
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  8. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    The real question should be are any of the players we're jettisoning worth keeping anyway?

    Gaither? Meachem? Clary? McClain? English? Royal (maybe). Maybe its just me, but personally I'm pretty confident that 5 of those 6 players (Royal being the possible exception) won't provide jack **** this year. And if we do keep them and they fail...we'll just be on the hook for that dead money in 2014, which is substantial.

    Rivers restructure would be a fantastic move if we could pull it off. I'm sure he'd agree if we spent the money on a guy like Jake Long it would be to HIS benefit as well.
     
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    I'd be willing to keep Meachem & McClain simply because they might be of use in a new system with someone whose actually trying to be offensively creative. The rest are just worthless and I wouldn't keep a moment longer than I would have to. And basically that's how you have to make the case to Rivers - that by restructuring we are going to go out, get a proper LT and maybe some other parts to the OL, and that will prolong your career and improve your states.
     
  10. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    Meachem - His cap hit next year will be $6.8 mil, and regardless of if McCoy can find a use for a poor route runner who's game is entirely reliant on deep passes into broken coverage I don't think he's ever going to be worth that kind of money.

    McClain - Value decreases almost entirely in a zone blocking scheme, he'll become a short yardage back, and you can find a rookie to do that for 1/8 the price on the 3rd day of the draft.

    Royal - I said the day we signed Royal that it was bad idea in NORV'S OFFENSE (link 1) (link 2) (link 3). It was an idea doomed to fail, O-line problems or not. That said he fits the modern day offensive schemes perfectly, which are about getting fast players the ball in open space...so I still have some hope for him with Mike McCoy.
     
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    I'd like to believe that many of the low production/ high priced guys will be sent packing with the new regime and all but I also fear that not one guy we really want gone will go
     
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    Meachem will certainly be back, and all he can do is get better because if he is not he will be gone after TC because someone would have been marked to replace him anyway during TC.

    English, gone. Jammer, gone. McClain, gone. Gaither, gone if not healthy for camp. Clary I think they keep if they don't draft someone, if he is let go they will definately be adding OT's. Phillips needs to stay and Barnes also if they can't add talent through the draft or FA. There are many others that can be gone and we should be able to clear up some good space and still keep a decent younger neucleus, IMO. I also think Rivers will work with them, he owes them something after politicing for Norv's return for another season just to prolong the enevenable.
     
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    The Chargers have identified free agent LG Louis Vasquez as their "top priority" to re-sign and will make him a contract offer "shortly."
    The Chargers arrived in Indianapolis on Wednesday, and on Thursday night met with Vasquez's player rep. Vasquez is believed to be seeking $6 million annually. Turning 26 in April, Vasquez would be a hot commodity if he hit the open market.
     
  14. AnteaterCharger

    AnteaterCharger Calibrating Bolttalk, Podcast by Podcast Staff Member Super Moderator Podcaster

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    I'm curious what will happen if we re-sign Vasquez, will that affect us potentially drafting Warmack
     
  15. Blue Bolt

    Blue Bolt Persona Non Grata

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    So, we'll be going Power-ZBS after all. ;)
     
  16. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    According to NFL Network we've shown interest in impending UFA Josh Cribbs.
     
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    Quick glance at his stats, looks like he's pretty solid on kick and punt returns. If we picked him up, it might be at Eddie Royal's expense.
     
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    I would be happy with that.
     
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    I say no on Cribbs, A WR who is strictly a return specialist who is seeking 2 million a year, no thank you.
     
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    ThunderHorse17 Lone Wolf

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    Yea I just saw him on the NFLnet feed chillin in the Redskins booth with Shannahan.... Is he just staying FIT for another job in the NFL or is he a SKin already??
     
  22. AnteaterCharger

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    Heard rumors a while ago that the Skins were somewhat interested in him
     
  23. SuperCharger92

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    NO TO CRIBBS!
     
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    According to the Union-Tribune San Diego, the Chargers "look to be considering a run" at free agent CB Jerraud Powers.
    Both of the Chargers' incumbent starting cornerbacks (Antoine Cason, Quentin Jammer) are free agents, and Powers played in a defensive scheme similar to Chargers DC John Pagano's under Pagano's brother, Chuck, in Indianapolis last season. Powers is a talented 25-year-old who's mostly underachieved to this point in his career. He's not likely to break the bank in free agency.
     
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    I was expecting this, and also Darius Butler. One, Telesco was there in Indianapolis snagging both of them, and Two, as previously stated, that they played in similar defenses with their brother's schemes.

    I would actually think our corner play will be better with Marcus Gilchrist, Sharecee Wright, Darius Butler, Jerraud Powers, and Johnny Patrick. But I'd still sign Quentin Jammer, as long as he gives us the discount on a 1 year deal, and plays strong safety, and emergency corner if these guys are hurt or aren't playing well.
     
  26. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    And the coverage scheme both Paganos use (off-zone) is one that you can get effective contributor from late Day 2 and early Day 3. Give a watch tomorrow to see how Terry Hawthorne does in drills - I'm not saying we're a lock to snag him by any means, but that's a guy who is likely to be still sitting on the board at the top of Round 4 and who could - provided he's healed from his past injury - function more than fine as a (eventual) starter in the scheme both teams run.
     
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    Terry Hawthorne I was on the fence on. He didn't have a good senior season, but had an excellent week at the East-West Shrine game. I think he's a 5th-6th rounder right now, but I think his speed, I'm expecting a 4.40-4.50, at his height of 6'0, think his stock will rise to an eventual 4th-5th rounder, I wouldn't be opposed to this pick.
     
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    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    He didn't have a good senior season because he was injured. Three years of very good tape generally outweigh one year of poor tape, particularly if a guy can come back and post a quality performance like Hawthorne did at the Shrine game. Drafting is a game of odds (risk relative to reward - kind of a combination of poker and craps - blackjack would be relevant if it had the potential for higher payouts - but you've got to be able to ride the swings without getting panicked to win in the long run).
     
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    The Colts are reportedly going to make a run at OG Louis Vasquez.
     
  30. matilack

    matilack #therealagent47

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    Fine with me, thats money better spent at left tackle for us.

    Albert is likely going to be a little put off, maybe we could get him.
     

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