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Future at top unclear, but Chargers jobs plum (Canepa off his meds)

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  1. CoronaDoug

    CoronaDoug Well-Known Member

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    Nick Canepa »

    Future at top unclear, but Chargers jobs plum

    Here are some forward and backward thoughts on the Chargers as they prepare for their most important — and possibly unfortunate — offseason week since Kevin Gilbride was hired. …
    If boss Dean Spanos is assured that General Manager A.J. Smith can get Jon Gruden in here as the team’s replacement for head coach Norv Turner, he should do cartwheels, shout to the heavens and tap dance as dad Alex once did with Bob Hope.

    If Spanos doesn’t keep Smith, which would be a major mistake, and rumor comes true that A.J. and Gruden go as a package to St. Louis, it could set this franchise back for some time. The two seem a natural fit.
    This team is not at bedrock. Talent remains. And how many franchises with top quarterbacks will be hiring a new coach, let alone a GM? These are plum jobs because of Philip Rivers. Players are needed in certain spots, for sure, but this isn’t a lost cause.

    To rip apart football operations now wouldn’t make sense. So much goes into it. Scouts and Smith have been out scrutinizing players fit for this team. How many football people will stay on? A new GM would have to be hired first and he probably wouldn’t know San Diego’s personnel from Tampa Bay’s.

    This is one of those look-before-you-leap-be-thankful-for-what-you-have decisions for Spanos. After Bobby Beathard was canned, Dean went with the triple GM option — Billy Devaney, Ed McGuire (still the team’s honored capologist) and Greg Gaines. It was doomed from the beginning — there cannot be a democracy in pro football operations — and blew up when Devaney and Gaines, in almost a rehearsal for the Smith-Marty Schottenheimer drama, failed to communicate.
    Like Smith or not, he’s a strong boss, and obviously remains a commodity in the NFL. He’s going to get another job, because good GMs are hard to find. He built this team when he took over, rebuilt it again after 2008, and can do it again. So he’s not open with the media. How many GMs are? How many GMs can you name right now?

    Smith should stay. If not, Spanos had better be damn sure he hires the right person, and there are no guarantees to go with that purchase. …

    Drew Brees. Since Brees broke Dan Marino’s single-season passing record with the Saints, I have been smothered with emails shouting Brees is just another bucket of concrete for Smith’s tomb.
    Listen, because I’m not going to say it again. I’ve repeated myself too often on this and it’s tiring.
    In 2003, Brees was the Chargers quarterback, and he stunk. He had a completion percentage of less than 58 percent and threw 11 touchdowns against 15 interceptions. His quarterback rating was 67.5. He was benched in favor of 39-year-old Doug Flutie.

    The team went 4-12 that year, earning the right to pick first in the draft, selecting Eli Manning and then trading him to the Giants for Rivers. Brees forced their hand. They had to draft a quarterback.
    They paid $40-plus million for Rivers. Brees made the Pro Bowl the next year, which is when they should have traded him, instead of cutting ties with Drew after he injured his throwing shoulder the final game of the 2005 season. Not trading Brees after his Pro Bowl year was one of Smith’s biggest mistakes, because he knew Rivers was going to be his quarterback of the future and could have gotten plenty for Drew in a quarterback-starved league.

    They weren’t going to eat all that Rivers money. They couldn’t afford to pay both top dollar. Brees had to go then, but he never would have gone had he not stunk up 2003. Get it? …
    Marty Schottenheimer. He wasn’t fired because Smith didn’t like him. Smith hadn’t liked Marty for a long time and tolerated him. In 2006, his final year here, Marty had been neutered, basically stripped of game-day responsibility, other than cheerleading.

    The last straw fell when Schottenheimer, well aware of his dismal playoff record, took over in the infamous playoff loss here to the Patriots. He was in near-panic mode, getting his own personal foul penalty and even going against his assistants’ wishes when he passed on a makable field goal and later claimed: “We had a great fourth-and-11 play.” That’s the major reason why a 14-2 coach got fired. He blew it. It was a coaching loss.
    If you have a great fourth-and-11 play, I say run it every down. …

    Norv Turner. I like Norv. He has flaws — game and clock management, especially — but he’s a good coach, and I wonder if his successor will do as well. Norv had five years, and in the end his team went back. No progress. He wasn’t entirely at fault, but he was in charge on game day.

    And he failed in must wins, such as last week in Detroit and last year at Cincinnati. …
    Greg Manusky. Big, aggressive things were expected from the new defensive coordinator brought in from San Francisco. Big disappointment. Of course, he didn’t have all the cards he expected in his deck, but I like D coordinators who can hitch up their trousers and change on the run. The soft manure he continually ran against Detroit without changing up was enough. …
    Norv is A.J.’s puppet. A joke. He’s not.

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  2. DenverBolt67

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    "If Spanos doesn’t keep Smith, which would be a major mistake"

    Hey Canepa, get your lips off AJ *** becuase not only would it not be a mistake, but it would be the best thing to do
     
  3. Blue Bolt

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    Bullshit!............ the decline of this team starts with AJ Smith, and his long run of draft blunders.

    Careers are short in the NFL, and there's constant turnover year to year. You can't replace quality starters with a bunch of stiffs and expect to maintain the winning percentage. Doesn't matter who your coach is, they need players to win with. This roster is a shell of its former self.

    Whether you get a new GM, or you keep AJ, they will have to hit on a high percentage of their picks, or this team will continue to drop in the division, and out of playoff contention.
     
  4. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    Um... again... not saying AJ doesn't have his faults, but the coaches' jobs entail more than just creating and implement scheme and calling plays. They're also expected to "coach" up, teach and improve technique, and develop the young players they're given. It's not like the majority of these guys come straight out of college pro-ready or become so overnight or with the wave of some magic wand.

    As teachers/developers, outside of Chud when he was here and Joiner and possibly John Pagano, our coaching staff sucks the big fat one. The "well, just give us the guys with the highest floors even if it means they have less upside" strategy isn't exactly something the guy cutting your pay checks wants to hear because it's basically saying that you're admitting to either being lazy or incompetent, or both, and need to have your bets hedged for you.
     
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  5. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    I agree with you. AJ hires the coaches, AJ drafts the players, the coaches do a poor job at coaching the players, AJ gets blamed because the players haven't developed as expected, when really he should be blamed for the coaching hires.

    I think AJ is an average GM. He hit on a couple draft picks and a couple UDFAs, and would have been fired 4 or 5 years ago if Philip Rivers had failed while Brees to succeeded in New Orleans.........which is probably the biggest reason why he hired Norv Turner in the first place, because Norv wouldn't put the cuffs on Rivers development like Rex Ryan is continuanlly criticized for doing to Marc Sanchez.

    If we can't get an excellent replacement, like a hotshot head of scouting for a team like the Steelers, Ravens, Packers etc...then I would probably keep AJ.
     
  6. Blue Bolt

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    Are you saying the coaches haven't developed players? I think you're ignoring the evidence.

    Look at Martin........ nobody had more to learn coming in than he did, and he's been starting in place of Castillo. If the coaches didn't know what they were doing, there's no way he would've advanced this far. All Martin had was raw talent..... he knew **** all about playing in the NFL.
     
  7. Concudan

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    Canepa must be jockying for that little office in the Chargers media trailer Acee occupies...
     
  8. Ride The Lightning

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    He was also responsible for the ascension dummy. Without AJ there is no UP or DOWN. We we're 1-15 before Butler and Smith showed up. A decade later we are in contention for the playoffs every season and FINALLY it seems this fanbase is no longer content with just showing up.
     
  9. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Thats one example. But what happened with Cason? Vasquez? Green? Clary? English? Naanee? Stuckey? Ryan Mathews still can't hold onto the ball, and he still can't pass block, which were the only 2 holes in his game coming out of college. Gilchrist is on his way to failing and he was my favorite pick from the '11 draft.

    Coaching is our biggest issue, and it starts with Norv.
     
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  10. DenverBolt67

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    You are absolutely right. AJ was amazing in 04, had another good offseason in 05, then was terrible in 06, 07, 08, and 09 before having a good draft in '10 (Matthews and Butler). AJ deserved and got credit when he did good, but after 4 years of bad drafts, he deserves even more criticism
     
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    OK, so you start off with name calling......... nice way to show off your intelligence. :rolleyes:

    Butler started the resurgence, Smith wasn't calling the shots then. AJ had a good run at the start, but the wheels came off.......... how many missed top round picks do you have to see before you pull the plug? The decline of this team is due to poor drafting more than anything else. If you can't see that, then you haven't really examined this roster.

    He also picked Norv, so that's another judgment call....... how you like them apples?
     
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    No doubt, totally agree. He is absolutely partially to blame for this mess, for the poor drafts and Norv.
     
  13. Ride The Lightning

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    If you post stupid **** I'm going to call you stupid. What you posted was stupid. AJ was responsible for all the drafts after '03. No more of Butler's picks are here.

    edit: other than Jammer IIRC
     
  14. Blue Bolt

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    It's obvious that you have no idea what you're typing, so I'll just say Happy New Year, and leave you to your nonsensical ranting.
     
  15. Ride The Lightning

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    Why don't you educate me since you're obviously so smart?
     
  16. SDRaiderH8er

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    the wheels came off because Buddy Nix left, together they were a great team, Now neither one of them can do squat!
     
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  17. The LBC

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    So you're saying we should re-unite the Wonder Twins? Or ransom AJ back to Buffalo at the cost of what... Jairus Byrd/George Wilson, Kirk Morrison, and a 2nd round pick?
     
  18. SDRaiderH8er

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    No, where did I say that?

    Its time to move on and get some new blood in here!
     
  19. The LBC

    The LBC I'm a Real Prick

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    So we ransom AJ to Buffalo. If you can trade a HC (which the Raiders did with Gruden) then surely you can trade GM as well.
     
  20. SDRaiderH8er

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    and do you really think the Bills would trade for AJ? I have a bridge for sale if you believe that one!
     
  21. The LBC

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    I was being sarcastic, but now... you know... I'm gonna go serious mode. We're putting you on this as the salesman SDRH... don't come back from Buffalo until the deal's been brokered.
     
  22. airbolt

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    NFL is always next man up, how about AJ? What have you done for us lately, you putz.? How many games did we lose this year simply based on the loss of Darren Sproles?. AJ is a guy living on some early achievements.but has taken no responsibility for all the bad drafts, bad deals, and bad vibes he creates. This P.O.S. has of late made it clear to alumni that they are not welcome at Charger HQ. Hey AJ, your ******* personality would fit in perfect with those guys over in Alameda, I'll drive you up there for your interview. You f---- *******.
     
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    yea like I am going to bust my butt on this deal, as a matter of fact I would rather retire then even think about it!
     

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