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Goodell lowers boom on Saints

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by Blue Bolt, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. Blue Bolt

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    Boom goes the dynamite!!! :roflmao:

    Goodell lowers boom on the Saints
    Posted by Mike Florio on March 21, 2012, 12:48 PM EDT

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    As expected, Commissioner Roger Goodell has hit the Saints hard for the bounty system that was employed for three seasons.

    Per a league source, head coach Sean Payton has been suspended for the full year.

    But it could have been worse for Payton. Former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams has been suspended indefinitely. (Presumably, that means at least a year.)

    Also, G.M. Mickey Loomis has been suspended for eight games.

    More to come.
     
  2. Blue Bolt

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    Sean Payton suspended one year. Mickey Loomis 8 game and $500,000 fine. Saints fined $500,000 and a second round pick in 2012 and 2013.
     
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    Forget the hammer, that's bringing down the executioner's axe
     
  4. Buck Melanoma

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    Shoulda taken this year's 1st.

    Wonder what the involved players will get?
     
  5. Moses

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    ^ They don't have a first this year, they traded it for Ingram last year.

    God damn, Goodell has laid the smack down on the Saints. Good for him, way to send a message that this stuff isn't going down anymore.

    Question: If the GM, HC and assistant HC are all suspended, who does this year's drafting and free agency for the Saints?
     
  6. Buck Melanoma

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    Quite right. Thanks for the reminder.

    Maybe Brees gets the honor instead of a contract extension? :roflmao:
     
  7. HEXEDBOLT

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    Yeah, Poor ole Brees didn't know a damn thing about it.
     
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  8. Blue Bolt

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    Goodell sends “strong and lasting message” via discipline of Saints
    Posted by Mike Florio on March 21, 2012, 1:24 PM EDT

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    The NFL has released its official announcement regarding the penalties imposed as a result of the Saints’ three-year system of paying defensive players for, among other things, trying to injure opposing players.

    The league imposed significant penalties against coach Sean Payton, defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, and G.M. Mickey Loomis, and for good reason. Commissioner Roger Goodell wants to be sure this never happens again.

    “We are all accountable and responsible for player health and safety and the integrity of the game,” Goodell said in the league-issued release. “We will not tolerate conduct or a culture that undermines those priorities. No one is above the game or the rules that govern it. Respect for the game and the people who participate in it will not be compromised.”

    “A combination of elements made this matter particularly unusual and egregious,” Goodell added. “When there is targeting of players for injury and cash rewards over a three-year period, the involvement of the coaching staff, and three years of denials and willful disrespect of the rules, a strong and lasting message must be sent that such conduct is totally unacceptable and has no place in the game. . . .

    “Let me be clear. There is no place in the NFL for deliberately seeking to injure another player, let alone offering a reward for doing so. Any form of bounty is incompatible with our commitment to create a culture of sportsmanship, fairness, and safety. Programs of this kind have no place in our game and we are determined that bounties will no longer be a part of the NFL.”

    To achieve this goal, Goodell has suspended coach Sean Payton for a full year, effective April 1. Former Saints defensive coordinator (and, for now, Rams defensive coordinator) Gregg Williams has been suspended indefinitely; his status will be reviewed after the 2012 season. Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis has been suspended eight games, and Saints assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt has been suspended six games.

    In comparison, the Saints organization got off light. Goodell fined the team only $500,000 and stripped a second-round pick in 2012 and a second-round pick in 2013.

    Still, being denied the ability to rely on the man who led the team to a Super Bowl win three seasons ago and who has helped the Saints become competitive on a consistent basis will make it very difficult for the Saints to become the first team to ever qualify for a Super Bowl to be played in a team’s home stadium. Next February, Super Bowl XLVII will be played in the Superdome.
     
  9. Buck Melanoma

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    So will the Saints be allowed to fill these vacated coaching positions w/o firings or do they have to plug along with what they have in house?
     
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    Sean Payton stunned by suspension: “I’m not OK”
    Posted by Michael David Smith on March 21, 2012, 1:28 PM EDT

    Saints coach Sean Payton was shocked to find out today that he has been banished from the NFL for the entire 2012 season for his team’s bounty scandal.

    Jay Glazer said on NFL Network that he interviewed Payton immediately after the news came down, and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell’s punishment is far more severe than Payton was expecting.

    “I did talk to him and he’s stunned to say the least,” Glazer said. “I think the entire team thought maybe there’d be a four-game suspension, but not a year. I said, ‘Are you OK?’ And he said, ‘No, I’m not OK.’ He is stunned. He’s going to lose about $8 million. He is beside himself here.”

    Glazer reports that Payton’s plan for the four-game suspension he had braced himself for was to have assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt take over as interim head coach while Payton served the suspension. But that plan is now out the window because Vitt has been suspended six games for his own role in the bounty scandal.

    The Saints may now have either offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael or former Rams head coach Steve Spagnuolo, who was slated to replace Gregg Williams as defensive coordinator, step in as the head coach.
     
  11. Buck Melanoma

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    Awwwwwwww .....
     
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  13. Buck Melanoma

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    Maybe Payton can get a PT job as the Pats' cameraman. :cool:
     
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    Jail is full of people who thought they were smarter than the system

    So are the suspension lines, filled with people who thought they could be the system and THEY wouldn't get caught because THEY were smarter

    Oops
     
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    Roger Goodell stands by Saints’ suspensions: “We were lied to”
    Posted by Michael David Smith on March 21, 2012, 2:44 PM EDT

    NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell is confident that his unprecedented punishments in the Saints’ bounty scandal, including an indefinite suspension of former defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and a yearlong suspension of head coach Sean Payton, were warranted given the facts of the case.

    “I don’t think you can be too hard on people that put at risk our players’ health and safety,” Goodell said on NFL Network. “That is a critical issue for us going forward and has been in our past.”

    Goodell said there’s no doubt in his mind that the Saints lied to the league office when the bounty investigation began.

    “Clearly, we were lied to,” Goodell said. “We investigated this back in 2010, we were told it was not happening, it continued for another two years until we got credible evidence late in the 2011 season and we were able to identify significant information that verified from multiple sources that this was going on for a three-year period.”

    Goodell said he’s disappointed in players who took part in the bounty program and will continue to consider player discipline.

    “We have a serious violation of an existing rule that threatens the health and welfare of our players,” Goodell said. “In addition, this went on for three years and it was investigated, we were misled, and there were denials throughout that period. Meanwhile, there continued to be risk to our players and to the integrity of our game. So it calls for a very significant and clear message.”

    It’s a message that Williams and Payton heard loud and clear today.
     
  16. Pointyearedog

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    Spoken like a true scholar there, barrister.
     
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    Drew Brees “speechless,” wants an explanation
    Posted by Michael David Smith on March 21, 2012, 2:35 PM EDT

    Saints coach Sean Payton isn’t the only one who’s beside himself that he was banned from the NFL for the year.

    The Saints’ biggest star, Drew Brees, took to Twitter after the punishment for the team’s bounty scandal was announced, and he couldn’t believe it.

    “I am speechless,” Brees wrote. “Sean Payton is a great man, coach, and mentor. The best there is. I need to hear an explanation for this punishment.” :rolleyes: :roflmao:

    If Brees wants an explanation, he only needs to read the NFL’s announcement on bounty discipline, which details what Payton did — and what Payton failed to do — regarding the bounty scandal. Brees doesn’t have to agree with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell’s decision, but Goodell has already given an explanation.

    The big question now is how this will affect Brees going forward. Brees is a free agent tagged with the exclusive franchise tender, which means he’s not under contract with the Saints but isn’t allowed to negotiate a contract with any other team, either. Brees was already reluctant to sign the exclusive tender offer, and he’s surely going to be even more reluctant now that his beloved head coach won’t be there.

    If this makes Brees less willing to sign with the Saints, then the news is only getting worse in New Orleans.
     
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    Im glad that there isnt any fools tryin to say this was too harsh punishment.
     
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  19. SuperCharger92

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    Payton loosing out on $7M this year.. Goodell laying the hammer down and rightfully so..

    Saints are fcked.. But you have to think Payton deff knew what the hell was going on when his defense was head hunting and Williams are jumping for joy on the sidelines..
     
  20. Buck Melanoma

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    Let the Moled One read the decision like the rest of the NFL employees.
     
  21. Ikeman83

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    Recap
    HC Banned from 01APR12-31Mar13
    AHC Banned for first 6 games of 2012 and fined $100,000
    GM Banned for first 8 games of 2012
    Gregg Williams Banned Indefinitely, with first possibility for review being after this season (but no specific time was given)
    Team loses 2012 and 2013 2nd round picks and $500,000

    All Bannings are without pay. Since the GM's ban doesn't begin until the season starts, this will not impact (unless Tom Benson fires him) who is making their roster moves until the regular season. I think that's still a big impact as it likely torches any trades they would have been doing during the regular season, likely freezes their roster after the Preseason ends, and probably puts them behind for roster work on the 2013 season and with getting Brees a new contract.
    That's not all folks, as Goodell is still talking with the NFLPA about what, if any, suspensions, fines, etc will be leveled against individual players, the Saints, along with potentially, to a lesser extent, other franchises, could be getting completely gutted for the 2012 season. Hopefully the Chargers play these guys early in the season.
     
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    Newton, Favre, Warner, Rodgers were specific bounty targets
    Posted by Mike Florio on March 21, 2012, 5:23 PM EDT

    If you haven’t yet read the entire NFL reportannouncing the punishment to be imposed on Saints coach Sean Payton, former Saints defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, Saints G.M. Mickey Loomis, Saints assistant head coach/linebackers coach Joe Vitt, and the Saints organization generally, you need to. (Drew Brees definitely needs to.)

    We’ll be sharing chunks of it here, highlighting specific aspects of the report.

    For starters, Panthers quarterback Cam Newton can be added to the list of players who were specific targeted by the Saints defense.

    Newton joined Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, and Aaron Rodgers as the quartet of quarterbacks who had price on their heads. Or, more accurately, on having their asses dragged off the field.

    The initial March 2 announcement from the league identified Favre and Warner as subjects of a bounty; the internal, confidential (but inevitably leaked) NFL Security memo from that same day said that a bounty had been placed on Rodgers for the 2011 regular-season opener, with Mike Ornstein offering to contribute $5,000 to the pot in an email to Payton. (Wednesday’s announcement from the league doesn’t name Ornstein, but it quotes the email: “PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers [sic].”)

    For that and more, read the full report. Or wait for more snippets to be posted here. Either way, remember that these aren’t allegations. They are facts determined to be true by the league, based in large part on the reality that the people involved in the bounty program have confessed.
     
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    If the NFL can orchestrate with the Union what the punishments for individual players should be, the Saints will be absolutely torn up this coming season, and possibly longer.
     
  24. Moses

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    That's just the way it is, the team officials, coaches, and even players should all know better.

    You would think as players they woould understand that a career can be over in the blink of an eye, and that it is peoples' livelihoods are on the line every time they play. That alone should give them a respect for their fellow players' safety, so when people intentionally go out to endanger that, and to profit from it, then as far as i'm concerned they deserve whatever punishment they get.
     
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    I think the NFLPA is likely trying to block it because of how widespread this is. At the same time, I think the league probably feels compelled to do something to the players as a result of the concussion litigation they're up against.
     
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    From the Commish's statements, it sounds like the punishments were so harsh because Payton and the others lied to the league during the investigation. As is often the case, the coverup became just as bad or worse than the initial transgression. This punishment sounds perfectly legit to me. But why did Belichick and the Pats get off so easy?
     
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    OK, I admit that I'm "stunned" too.

    But in a GOOD way!!! :)
     
  29. HEXEDBOLT

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    I don't care for the Saint's organization at all and I think it's way to harsh. If fact a small fine and smack on the wrist is all that's needed. Fawk it, just play flag football that's where it's heading.
     
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    It didn't involve players getting maimed for life.
     

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