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Goodell says future possibility that wildcard hosts division winner

Discussion in 'Chargers Fan Forum' started by WonderSlug, Feb 1, 2008.

  1. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

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    In an appearance for a US Senate committee headed by Arlen Specter defending his destruction of the Patriots Spygate tapes, Goodell let out the following possible future postseason seeding change:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22951415/page/2/


    So, if this happens, the #5 or #6 seed could wind up actually hosting the #3 or #4 division winner if they had a better overall record in the regular season.

    Thus, had such a policy been in effect this postseason, the Jacksonville Jaguars would have hosted the Pittsburgh Steelers since Jacksonville ended with an 11-5 record compared to Pittsburgh's 10-6.

    Or had the Titans lost to Indy, then San Diego would have traveled to Jacksonville to play the Jags in the wildcard round. Even though both teams were 11-5, Jacksonville owned the head-to-head tiebreaker by beating San Diego in the regular season.

    Such a policy would also reduce the advantage of sitting players in the final regular season game or two, because you would then risk losing the game and first round home field with it if you wind up playing a wildcard with a better overall record.
     
  2. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

    Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan Well-Known Member

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    Stupid, stupid, stupid idea! :tdown:

    You WIN your division, you get a HOME playoff game. Don't like going on the road as the wild card? THEN WIN YOUR DIVISION. ​
     
  3. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

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    But what about the following scenario, which has occured a lot, especially in the NFC?

    Let's say Indy wins their division with a 14-2 record. Jacksonville comes in second with a 13-3 record with 2 of their 3 losses due to Indy. So they only lost one other game. Pretty much better than any other team in the AFC except Indy right?

    However, the 3 other division winners, New England, San Diego, and Pittsburgh, each end up with 12-4 records.

    Then let's say Cleveland finishes with an 11-5 record which is the best of the remaining.

    Under the new possibility, Indy would be seeded #1 and Jacksonville #2. New England, San Diego, and Pitt would be seeded 3-5 according to tiebreakers.

    Cleveland is the #6 seed.

    Indy and Jacksonville get byes being the top two seeds in the new scenario.

    Whatever team is determined to be #3 among NE, SD, and Pitt would host Cleveland. The other two would play each other.

    In the current scenario, even though Jacksonville finished with a better record than all other AFC teams except one, they are made a #5 seed, instead of #2 in the new one.

    I actually like the new idea.

    Winning the division guarantees you a spot in the playoffs. That's it. Your overall record should then determine the seeding arrangement.

    Sometimes you can be better than pretty much every other team in your conference, except for one, and if that one is in your division, you are suddenly a wildcard instead of a #2 seed.
     
  4. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    :yes: My neck hurts from agreeing so much!!!
     
  5. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

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    Doesn't the NBA do it this way? My point is, you win your division and your reward is a home playoff game.
     
  6. Ride The Lightning

    Ride The Lightning Join the Dark Side, we have cookies.

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    FUK THAT.

    Goddan Goodell is fkin it all up already. Sending games across the ocean, not punishing cheaters, now this.

    Bring back Tagliabue.
     
  7. BOLTS4LIFE

    BOLTS4LIFE Banned Banned

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    Ummmm... I pretty much agree with everything you posted above EXCEPT THE BOLDED PART!!!!
     
  8. WonderSlug

    WonderSlug Well-Known Member

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    No, you win your division and your reward is a guaranteed entry into the playoffs.

    That's it.

    Do you think it is just that an 11-5 or 12-4 team from a strong division where the division winner went 13-3 or 14-2 should have to go on the road to face a team that won their division with a 9-7 record because their division sucked arse that season?

    That's what happened twice this year in the wildcard round.

    11-5 New York Giants traveled to Tampa to face the 9-7 Bucs.

    And two of those losses were to the Dallas Cowboys, whom they ended up beating in the postseason.

    I submit that the NFC East was much stronger than the NFC South this season and the seeding should reflect that. Top two teams in the NFC East went 13-3 and 11-5, while the NFC South only had one team with a winning record.

    11-5 Jacksonville Jaguars traveled to face 10-6 Pittsburgh, when if Jacksonville was in the AFC West or AFC North, they'd easily be division champs. But they are penalized for being in a relatively strong division this season. The AFC South had 3 playoff teams, each with a winning record. The AFC North qualified only one playoff entrant.

    Furthermore, doing this new scenario would make it less likely that a division frontrunner slacks off after clinching the division. It makes them actually have to play to win the final game or two of the season, instead of the BS of playing the starters just the first half of the final game(s) and then resting them.

    Coincidentally, that's what the Jags and Steelers did in their final games because they knew it didn't matter if they lost, which they both did. The playoff seedings were pretty much already set in stone. How much do you think fans who went to those games were gipped having to watch one team's backups play pretty much the entire game against the starters of the playoff bound team? Does it smack against the face of integrity of always playing to win EVERY GAME, no matter your record?
     
  9. Carlsbad_Bolt_Fan

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    I just don't agree with it sluggo.

    By diminishing a team winning their division to a simple "that gets you into the playoffs" just doesn't make sense to me. You're in first place. You beat all other teams in your division. Now another team in another division that finishes 2nd and has one more win than you gets a home playoff game and a divisional winner doesn't? :tdown:
     
  10. Electric Chair

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    Goodell needs th chill the hell out and stop trying to put his stamp on the game. It's perfect the way it is, stop trying to show us all what an innovative thinker you are.
     
  11. bigcarson50

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    How would that be. There would have been two 11-5 teams in the first round (Chargers and Jags) and two 10-6 teams (Cleveland and Pittsburgh).

    Therefore the chargers still would have hosted in the first round (just not sure who they would have hosted).
     
  12. Sandolf

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    I agree with Sluggo. If you are a fan of the game and not just one particular team you would want to see the best matchups. Even though it wouldn't have effected the seedings otherwise... things like that Titans - Colts games was mega-disgusting.
     
  13. boltmanbz

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    yah thats probably one of his worst idea's ever, is he trying to make this like arena football or something? first playing in London and Canada and now this? this is stuff baseball did to add onto all the roid probs to make people not watch it as much
     
  14. Retired Catholic

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    This has the potential for unduly rewarding teams that face more weak opponents than a team in a good, competitive division facing a larger number of strong at large opponents. Won loss records can be a tad inflated or flattened by strength of competition and injury histories.
     
  15. Sandolf

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    Possibly... there is no perfect system. The age of the salary cap has tended to even things out.
     
  16. HollywoodLeo

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    Nope.

    Had the Titans lost to Indy Cleveland still would have came to San Diego.
     
  17. Buck Melanoma

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    Division winners should get the advantage that goes with being the best in your division. If some coaches choose to take having the division locked up as a chance to rest key players, so be it. If other teams feel they got screwed because of that tactic, then it behooves them to field a team good enough to negate that tactic.

    Goodell is starting to piss me off with some of his ideas. :icon_evil:
     

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