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"Great Guy" Ray Rice Cut After Video Surfaces

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  1. Blue Bolt

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    Ravens release running back Ray Rice after video emerges
    Posted by Darin Gantt on September 8, 2014, 2:23 PM EDT


    That didn’t take long.

    After months of backing, it only took a few hours of backlash from the video of Ray Rice punching his wife in the face for them to draw the line.

    The Ravens announced they had terminated the contract of the star running back, who still had one game of suspension left.

    That became a moot point this morning, when Rice’s pariah status was cemented by the video of him punching his wife in the elevator.

    We knew she was unconscious when she left the elevator already, but the video was a visceral and evocative image, one the Ravens have finally chosen to step away from.
     
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    NFL suspends Ray Rice indefinitely
    Posted by Josh Alper on September 8, 2014, 2:51 PM EDT


    Ray Rice won’t be playing for the Ravens again after the team released him on Monday.

    He won’t be eligible to resume his playing career a week from now either. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello announced on Twitter that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has suspended Rice indefinitely.

    “Roger Goodell has announced that based on new video evidence that became available today he has indefinitely suspended Ray Rice,” Aiello wrote.

    It’s the least you’d expect from the league based on the video released on TMZ on Monday that shows Rice knocking his then-fiance (and current wife) out with a left hand to the face. It left the league looking clueless, at best, about the nature of Rice’s crime, something they admitted when they announced they had never viewed the video from inside the elevator before deciding that Rice’s conduct warranted a two-game suspension.

    The league deserves no great praise for extending a suspension they already admitted was too short by changing the league’s policy on domestic violence. They do deserve a lot of questions about the way the Rice investigation was handled and how they’ll handle such cases in the future.

    As for Rice, it’s hard to see him playing in the league again in this or any other season.
     
  3. gonzokrb

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    Player's Union will be all over this and rightly so. Point: Punishment was already handed out. To punish someone two times for the same offense is called Double Jeopardy. What Rice did was wrong. Even with his Fiancee initiating the physical "three times", Rice shouldn't have punched her. Both parties should have been charged with Battery Domestic Violence.
     
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    Good!
     
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  5. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    Well it might be the end for Ray in the NFL. Maybe he can open up a bar, and call it the left hook lounge?:coffee:
     
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    Double Jeopardy applies, I think, only for state/federal prosecution. I honestly don't have a clue if it applies for a private organization.
     
  7. bigmike.x.09

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    They can put it to a public vote with all league owners and make it a PR nightmare for the NFLPA. NFLPA will most definitely fight this though, there's no doubt about it.
     
  8. Lance19

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    No.

    "Double jeopardy" is in the 5th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution,
    keeping the government from trying you a second time,
    on a charge you were found "not guilty" on...

    It would have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with a beef
    between a football player and his employer.
     
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  9. matilack

    matilack Take A Knee McCree!!!

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    It's determined by the CBA I believe.
     
  10. gonzokrb

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    That is incorrect Sir. RE: A person convicted on a criminal charge can not be tried again and found guilty on the same charge. Guilt or innocence not withstanding. It would be very surprising if the CBA did not have language referencing this topic.
     
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    Okay...don't take my word for it.
    It will play out and you'll see.

    (note: though the 5th doesn't expressly exclude forbidding another trial after a conviction,
    it's not what the amendment was created to do, and it's virtually unheard of in the U.S.
    Double jeopardy exists to keep the gov from harassing innocent citizens with multiple trials
    it doesn't apply to employers...esp. in a situation like this in which new evidence of
    wrongdoing comes to light)
     
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    He isn't being tried again. He's getting additional punishment because of more evidence that (incredibly) wasn't available before. In other words, it got leaked after a coverup, the big money guys are covering their asses. Typical political response. Nothing new. Carry on...
     
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    The NFL is responsible for this mess. Commish should have waited until all evidence was available before issue of punishment.
     
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    Rightfully so?

    Punishment was handed out based on limited information with this video the story Rice and his now wife told doesn't hold water. That was not an accident. That was not a man defending himself from a woman trying to pick a physical fight. They lied. Even if the NFL hadn't decided to indefinitely suspend him, there was no way the Ravens could bring him back into that locker room. Teammates were already turning on him for misleading them.

    What Janay did was NOT battery. What Rice did was straight up assault.

    I'm disgusted by the NFL and the justice system (police/prosecutors/DA) for their pathetic "investigation". The fact that it took TMZ to expose their (at a minimum) negligence is pathetic.

    His wife fell on the sword for a man who not only shoved her, spit on her and knocked her unconscious, but who also clearly didn't give a **** what happened to her afterwards. Leaving her limp body (after dragging her by the hair) in the elevator doors path for a hotel staff member to assist and prevent the door from closing on her. And somehow, people are still finding that acceptable. I don't.

    Short of protecting yourself and/or others from harm, it's NOT OK to hurt anyone. Regardless of their gender. Emotional, Verbal, Physical abuse isn't acceptable. There is no excuse.
     
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    ^^^ I feel this Sister's passion on the assault and battery issues ^^^ You go Girl :)
     
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    No. Ray Rice is responsible for this mess. He did this. He made the decision to behave like an ******* and lie about it. He needs to own it and accept the consequences.

    Not only that, but this evidence wasn't EVER going to become available, that's why it took TMZ to get it done. Whether it was simply the authorities who withheld it, the hotel/casino or all parties (NFL included) it was purposefully buried and took bribery to be exposed. That's ****** up.
     
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    I completely agree with you Syd, however he has a point about "rightfully so" because as a union member it is the union's job to represent it's members regardless if they are in the wrong or not. Nobody is saying the NFLPA won't say "dude you're screwed, we can't help you" but they're going to make sure that the league isn't circumventing the CBA.
     
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    Battery, "The use of force or violence upon the person of another".
    Assault, "Intentionally placing another person, in reasonable apprehension of physical bodily harm"

    Both Janay and Ray committed battery upon each other , and being of " close relationship" are guilty of Battery Domestic Violence.

    There are no innocent parties here!

    NFL CBA 2014
    Article 46, Commissioner Discipline
    Section 4, "One Penalty"

    This is what the Union is going to probably reference.
     
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    Please explain to me how he was in reasonable apprehension of physical bodily harm?
     
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    Tomorrow should be interesting...

    DaAnsahonSports: TMZ Harvey Levin tells fox 5 dc Roger Goodell and the NFL knew about the videos and tuned a blind eye. Will release the info tomorrow. (9 minutes ago from Twitter Web Client, retweeted by AngrySK and 157 others)
     
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    “I’m disappointed. This is personal for me so I’m torn because this is a guy, a young man, that I really took under my wing and tried to mentor,” Ray Lewis said.

    Ray Lewis was his mentor...... what better role model for a young player? How could things have come to this? :rolleyes:
     
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    Goddell needs to resign, guy has been embarrassment to the league. How are you can tell me TMZ has more access to confidential police information" than a billion dollar empire that is the NFL. What a load of BullShit. I can't wait for the talking heads tear the NFL a new one tuesday morning.

    Keith Olbermann goes OFF on Ravens and NFL in Ray Rice situation.

    http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=11490335
     
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    Who said anything about "he". I was explaining the difference between Battery and Assault. If Ray had brain one he would have walked away and called the Police after Janay hit him the second time. The second you lay hands on your woman it's all bad from that point!
     
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    By law and the social norms nobody , man or woman , has the right to put their hands on another. In addition, as we strive for equality for all , we tell each other that women deserve special consideration. How many men have put their fist through walls, or got in the car and took a drive because a woman has angered them. Not all women are angels and deserve our respect. That is why there are women's prisons. I know a woman that pulled a gun on her husband, he did not believe she would really shoot him. He put his finger in the gun barrel, she shot his finger off.
    I'm saying that we want equality, but forget that it is a two way street. We don't it the same way if a man strikes a man. Most of the time , we will stand by and enjoy the show, and the combatants both end up in jail or shake hands and become better friends. We laugh when we see a woman strike a man, and say he must have deserved it. But let a man lose his temper at over a woman and then hit her, why it is a national disgrace. I say that some can control themselves better than others , and nobody should strike another. Yet I also say that each case is different and should be judged upon the facts, not on the publicity seeking medias talking heads .
    The video shows that Rice did a bad thing, but who is trying to learn why he did it or about the treatment he is getting to curb such future behavior. He and this lady got married, after the incident. Perhaps she saw that she too was at fault also. None of us knows all of the facts, but have seen the video , and judge all by that. Rice should have never struck that lady, but what behavior lead up to it ?
    I have served on juries where someone's freedom was at stake. I learned that it is wrong to judge someone until you have heard ALL of the facts. It is all to easy to judge others, that is why we have courts, and judges, and juries, and treatment programs. Trying and convicting someone in the media to get ratings is wrong, and too many of us tune in and nod in agreement as they tell what to think.
     
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    Keith Olbermann is a PO:poop:, that is all.
     
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    It is a disgrace because there was a cover-up. It is a disgrace because this man is held up as a hero and a role-model (by his employer), his image used to make millions and his behavior was excused and swept under the proverbial rug. That's an example I am not in any way OK with having set by the NFL, a business with tremendous influence in our country.

    Part of changing society's acceptance of domestic violence and the proliferation of victim shaming/blaming (she had it coming, she provoked him and vice versa) is by saying and doing something now and every time we encounter it. This particular incident happens to be on a national stage. Most of the time it isn't. Regardless, I will not stand by quietly. I was raised better than that.

    I'm not a fan of the "you don't hit a woman" narrative. You don't hit ANYONE. When you're with someone who makes you so angry you desire violence, it's YOUR responsibility to leave and not to act out. Whether it's to another room, on a drive or to leave the relationship entirely. It's never an excuse for putting your hands on someone. That goes for men and women alike.

    The fact of the matter is, most perpetrators of domestic abuse are not one-time offenders. It's not an isolated incident. The "I'm sorry, I promise I won't do it again, I'll change" means little. My 9 year old nephew was murdered by a man like that, his own damn father. A man who had already spent 2 stints in prison for trying to kill my sister-in-law before she finally got help and out of the relationship. He was always sorry, he was always a changed man, he did his time and the judge believed him. The judge even accused my sister-in-law of trying to ruin the man's life when she took him back to court because he had returned to his old habits again (drugs, threatening phone calls/emails). She BEGGED them to help keep her boys safe and away from him. They said she was overreacting. That she must be provoking him, despite living in another state and only making contact to coordinate visits for the kids. A couple months later, that ******* took a hatchet to his own son's sleeping head. Even now, the man's grandmother (who witnessed her great-grand son's murder) swears the devil made him do it, he's not responsible. It's the same bullshit excuses he's been given for every bad thing and mistake he made his entire adult life. Enablement from others only perpetuates more violence.

    So no, I'm NOT OK with the cover-up and slap on the wrist Ray Rice received. I won't buy into the "I'm getting treatment" line - it means about as much to me as a politician or celebrity going to rehab for sex addiction. You did it once that we know of, you have to prove you won't do it again. The only way to do that, is with time. I'm not opposed to giving him an opportunity to prove he's earnest but the moment Ray Rice decided to violently shove and then deck his fiance, he chose to accept whatever consequences came from that action. The moment the NFL, the authorities, the Ravens decided to sweep this under the rug, to pat him on the back for being a good little soldier and taking a plea bargain that was in his best interest - they chose to accept the consequences of their actions (or lack thereof).

    Now they all have to face the music for those decisions and sadly, his wife and family do as well. More consequences.

    You want to live in the spotlight, make mad money, have influence, prestige, etc... It comes with a trade-off, when people know your name/face, when what you do makes national headlines, you cannot stop the public from having a reaction. It's impossible. When your fame is used to protect you from the consequences the average person would face for bad behavior - you shouldn't be surprised people get pissed off when they find out. I would bet money a good portion of the ire being expressed over this incident comes from outrage at the unfair and incompetent (at best) handling of the case - not just the act itself. The NFL/Rice/Etc... has no one to blame but themselves for that.

    I'm not advocating for media exploitation here - that's ****** too - but bad behavior by the media doesn't excuse what these people have done either. It's an important distinction. You don't have to get caught up in the hype to take a stand.
     
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